Silly season underway

[mic59]

Good old trading speculation is with us again! Well, it started on this board straight away the season ended for our team, but it's officially on now the papers will be getting into it.
Until the end of trading week there will be all kinds of rumours going around. Some of the wilder ones have been the Bombers efforts to get Everitt and Carey. With their salary cap woes I would have thought the last thing they would want would be more expensive players. And there was a Lade for John**** rumour in the paper today.

Anyone heard anything about French? All I've heard so far is that he's being "offered around".

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by mic59
Good old trading speculation is with us again! Well, it started on this board straight away the season ended for our team, but it's officially on now the papers will be getting into it.
Until the end of trading week there will be all kinds of rumours going around. Some of the wilder ones have been the Bombers efforts to get Everitt and Carey. With their salary cap woes I would have thought the last thing they would want would be more expensive players. And there was a Lade for John**** rumour in the paper today.

Anyone heard anything about French? All I've heard so far is that he's being "offered around".

Lade for Johnco(k? Couldn't really see it happening, Lade will put in a much better year in 2003 after recovering from his injury. Not that I wouldn't want Johnco(k but I wouldn't want to give up a player like Lade who is an original Power team member to the arch enemy.

 

[Portia]

I reckon thats it really. For some reason, we've again been mostly protected from rumours of our players wanting to `go home'.

 

[Eago77]

Lade for John****, interesting one as you could argu either way as to which club would get the best from this deal.

Lade at his best (1999 type form) is better than what John**** has shown. But based on this years form Port would be gaining the most, however i guess Lade is a bit of an unknown quantity at this stage. John**** has a lot of improvement in him so it would certainly be a gamble from both teams and only time would tell who would win this one. Because of the rivalry i doubt a trade of this sort will happen.

 

[Port01]

I don't know if John**** is the type of player we would be after.

Pocket players we have plenty of and I can't see ihm being more than that for at least a couple of years.

He would be silly to agree to such a trade himself, he'd go from playing every game to fighting for a spot on the bench with Guerra, A Murray, K cornes etc.

 

[blackdiamond]

We should keep Lade unless the offer is something that we can't refuse. He is a year younger than French so he still has another year left in him before we seriously need to trade him.

There is much more of an upside to Lade than that of French as he is very versatile. I think we have got the best out of French so he isn't going to get any better. I am sure that Lade will be a much better player next year now that he has got a season under his belt.

John**** I think we can do with out, mainly because I think we have enough players of his type already in the team or coming through system. Personally I would rather see Guerra given more of a go.

We should be really testing the market to see what we can get for the following players while we can.

Adam Kingsley - Would love to see him traded but it appears that the coaches love him (ranked 11 in club champion award). One could only hope they were trying to up his price.

Che ****atoo Collins - The emergence of Shaun Burgoyne has reduced the need for the ****y, its now or never if we are to trade him.

Jarrad Schofield - He maybe used as trade bait but I hope not, probably one of our only true goal kicking centre players. I think we missed his dash while he was injured and then while he was recovering. Would bring good value from one of the WA clubs though.

Matthew Bishop and Roger James could probably put in this group as well as it would really be the last time to trade them but I think that these players are very much required.

We might have to lose a bit to get the player we require this year but it could be good in a way. I would be quite willing to give up Barnaby French and Adam Kingsley in maybe a three way deal to get the services of Daniel Bradshaw. You might call me stupid but I think we require the services of Bradshaw more than we require the services of French and Kingsley combined. This would at least pave the way for Guerra and another ruckman to get a regular game and have Chad Cornes spend more time down back. We should really be making a major play for Bradshaw who is a strong marking, goal kicking forward.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Seeing as it's silly season, here's a round up of the latest few I've heard. Mostly from this evening's news services, with a couple of even less credible ones from other Port supporters ...

Lade for Crowell
Guerra + draft pick for Fiora
K Johnson 2 Collingwood/Didak 2 Port/French 2 crows or
K Johnson 2 Richmond/Fiora 2 Port/French 2 crows

I understand the last 2 are the product of the fertile mind of Rob "you want media passes to the AFL Grand Final?" Popplestone.

Port's interest in Embley was flagged on Channel 9 by Brayshaw. Port are interested in his "bustling style".

There does seem to be some sort of trend towards the crows showing interest in one of Port's ruckmen. Queue forms to the left and the price is what the market is willing to bear. Bids open with Stenglein.

 

[Portia]

Guerra for Fiora would be a disaster trade.
Guerra and a draft pick for Fiora would be obscene.

French for Fiora would be average at best, and for Didak impossibly one-sided to us.

Lade for Crowell the most possible, but I dunno that Crowell will make it in the AFL.

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Originally posted by Porthos
Guerra for Fiora would be a disaster trade.
Guerra and a draft pick for Fiora would be obscene.

French for Fiora would be average at best, and for Didak impossibly one-sided to us.

Lade for Crowell the most possible, but I dunno that Crowell will make it in the AFL.

Sillier and siller is all I can say. It's strange how people keep trying to trade off our toughest players ...

Crowell would add nothing to our side, and if we do trade Lade I'm sure something much more appealing could be arranged.

 

[Portia]

At least if we swapped Lade for Finnin it would help the Magpies

 

[Ford Fairlane]

Originally posted by Porthos
At least if we swapped Lade for Finnin it would help the Magpies

I think you mentioned Finnin + draft pick for Brogan in another thread. I saw a bit of Finnin with the Maggies this year and thought he looked ok. Of course the crows are having enough nightmares about draft picks as it is ...

 

[Portia]

Ain't that the truth.

A marvellous bird is the pelican.
His beak can hold more than his belly can.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Porthos
Ain't that the truth.

A marvellous bird is the pelican.
His beak can hold more than his belly can.

???

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by Zombie


???

They see Carey, and they want him, but they can't fit him in unless they give up something they don't want to.

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by Porthos
They see Carey, and they want him, but they can't fit him in unless they give up something they don't want to.

I can't really understand this. Kane Johnson wants to go back to Victoria, trade him to one of the bottom clubs for pick 1-5 and then pass this on to the Roos for Carey. Seems simple to me, and from what I've read on the Roos board that's what North will want.

 

[Zombie]

Originally posted by Porthos
They see Carey, and they want him, but they can't fit him in unless they give up something they don't want to.

OIC, I think it is funny that some Cows supporters are saying "I hope we can get something good for K.Johnson". If K.Johnson isn't part of the Carey deal then they won't be getting Carey.

At the best of times Adelaide aren't prepared to give up quality to get quality and even when they get the chance to get one of the best players of the last decade they still want more but want to give up less.

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by mic59
I can't really understand this. Kane Johnson wants to go back to Victoria, trade him to one of the bottom clubs for pick 1-5 and then pass this on to the Roos for Carey. Seems simple to me, and from what I've read on the Roos board that's what North will want.

I think the only ones with a problem with that are the clubs that would end up getting Johnson and passing over Goddard, Wells, Salopek, Grima, Schulz and so on in the process.

Johnson has been good this year, but he's still got an amazing record of injuries. To give that a context, he's played the same number of games as Nick Stevens, while having had two extra seasons on a list. He's also notably behind Nick in disposals, goals, marks, inside 50s, rebound 50s, and a bit behind in clearances and tackles.

And apparently Nick isn't worth a #1 pick.

So yeah, not likely.

 

[noddy]

Originally posted by Porthos
I think the only ones with a problem with that are the clubs that would end up getting Johnson and passing over Goddard, Wells, Salopek, Grima, Schulz and so on in the process.

Johnson has been good this year, but he's still got an amazing record of injuries. To give that a context, he's played the same number of games as Nick Stevens, while having had two extra seasons on a list. He's also notably behind Nick in disposals, goals, marks, inside 50s, rebound 50s, and a bit behind in clearances and tackles.

And apparently Nick isn't worth a #1 pick.

So yeah, not likely.

Hey Porthos is that latin beneath your avatar ?

Completely agree on Johnson being injury prone in his first 4 years but under a modified training regime he has improved a lot in the injuries area since,
Kane is a class, proven, twice premiership midfielder who at 25 will offer any Melbourne club years of quality service especially in a city that he calls home,
I think at times some people seem to put to much of a high call on stats which at times can be a bit misleading,
Any way what's the harm in us Crow people asking for the moon when trading comes around, as my old mum use to say, [& again i quote] "if you don't ask you want receive"

 

[Portia]

Originally posted by noddy
Hey Porthos is that latin beneath your avatar ?

Nah, French.

Completely agree on Johnson being injury prone in his first 4 years but under a modified training regime he has improved a lot in the injuries area since,

For this season at any rate...you'd want to see him play a couple of full ones before declaring him cured.

Kane is a class, proven, twice premiership midfielder who at 25 will offer any Melbourne club years of quality service especially in a city that he calls home,

He should do, yeah. But so should a #4 pick, and for longer.

I think at times some people seem to put to much of a high call on stats which at times can be a bit misleading,
Any way what's the harm in us Crow people asking for the moon when trading comes around, as my old mum use to say, [& again i quote] "if you don't ask you want receive"

Fair enough, but all it really does when you do that is make you seem unreasonable/irrational.

 

[Jars458]

Originally posted by Porthos
They see Carey, and they want him, but they can't fit him in unless they give up something they don't want to.

Don't be stupid

The CLUB will be more than realistic

Unlike most idiots on BigFooty.

 

[mic59]

Originally posted by Jars458


Don't be stupid

The CLUB will be more than realistic

Unlike most idiots on BigFooty.

Of course the club will be realistic. It is just that most "offers" that have been touted here are completely self-serving.

 

[Eago77]

Originally posted by Porthos
Guerra for Fiora would be a disaster trade.
Guerra and a draft pick for Fiora would be obscene.

French for Fiora would be average at best, and for Didak impossibly one-sided to us.

Lade for Crowell the most possible, but I dunno that Crowell will make it in the AFL.

I agree Guerra for Fiora would see us looking pretty stupid, but Guerra + draft pick for Fiora would be something only Freo could pull off.

French for Fiora is only slightly better IMO.

Didak for French would also be fine if Collingwood were Freo otherwise it wouldn't happen.

Lade for Crowell, please no way, Lade for John**** nothing less, Crowell would be lucky to make our rookie list!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Eago77

Lade for Crowell, please no way, Lade for John**** nothing less, Crowell would be lucky to make our rookie list!

Lade for Stiffy - lol, you have buckleys! A 1st year player who played every game & has plenty of improvement v ruckman with 2 knee injuries & struggles to make your side. Nice try, but we aren't Freo!

 

[Kane McGoodwin]

Originally posted by Porthos
I think the only ones with a problem with that are the clubs that would end up getting Johnson and passing over Goddard, Wells, Salopek, Grima, Schulz and so on in the process.

Johnson has been good this year, but he's still got an amazing record of injuries. To give that a context, he's played the same number of games as Nick Stevens, while having had two extra seasons on a list. He's also notably behind Nick in disposals, goals, marks, inside 50s, rebound 50s, and a bit behind in clearances and tackles.

And apparently Nick isn't worth a #1 pick.

So yeah, not likely.

Porthos, who do reckon is worth more on the open market - Kane Johnson or Nick Stevens (serious question)?

 

[Portia]

Nick. He's younger, no history of injuries, and is statistically better. He's also a more attacking midfielder.