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moondog21 said:
Corey isn't as bad with his disposal as he once was and it's one area he has improved on significantly, and was a lot better originally(disposal wise) than what Hogan is now.
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and this is why I reckon Hogan can make it... Skills can improve.... finding the footy and having that innate ability to put your head over it and get it ins't really teachable....

And if Hogan can become like Smithy, or even a good percentage of....... he'll be here for 200 games... Not everyone looks flash and silky good like Jimmeh... If Shanka can get 100 odd games with one foot....

Just sayin....

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Hogan would actually be best to try and model himself on Luke Ball.

Hoge's handball skills are spot on and he gets the pill in the right position so often. If he perhaps looks to focus on his inside play than I think he can really start to have a similar input to Ball who is not the worlds best kick but obviously a very valuable midfielder.
 
dazbroncos said:
Having watched the GC game a few times now (yes I have too much time on my hands right now :D) I will say that some the criticism of Hogan is fair...

That said, he really does seem to get a lot of the contested footy. On a really hot and slippery night in GC he was in and under it alot. His disposal was not always the cleanest whilst under duress - acceptable in my mind for NAB 2 and after his time away from the games last year - and he needs some polish when he gets free and clear with his disposal.

He seems to read the play very well and get to the right position and moves the ball forward - not always Judd esq say in terms of cleanliness - but forward none the less.

I reckon he will go OK this year. I'd much rather a player that gets in and under and to the right spot for the ball and be a bit looser in his disposal than someone who can hit every chest from 40 meters but can't get a touch himself. And his tank seemed pretty healthy too.... running out that game in some pretty oppressive conditions...

Maybe ill eat my words in a few months but write him off at your peril....

I could actually see both Poodle and Hogan playing the same kind of role this year....

GO Catters..
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It's not either/or at the elite level. You're expected to do both. Plus, he's not "a bit looser" his disposal is poor. Turnovers are gold to opposition teams as they invariably end up as scoring opportunities. As I've commented before I hope he can improve that aspect of his game as he brings other attributes to the table.
 
always been a big fan of poodle and I love the way Hogan is going about it. Looks very hungry and if he continues to improve then he is going to be a very valuable asset to the side especially having him alongside Selwood and in those tough and tight matches.
 

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meto said:
You must be joking, a third rounder 18 year old kid?

Who's gonna get more of the ball around midfield stoppages than Hogan?

Maybe Selwood, and that's it, Selwood needs support as well, it's not just a forwardline or defence thing, we need a gutsy inside player to assist Selwood.
I remember him outpossessing Ablett in one of his senior appearances, everytime Ablett got to the ball there was Hogan already, the kids had problems lately, but it seems like they might be out the way.

To hand him over to the Saints would be a very dangerous thing to do, of all clubs! you'd have to be nuts to let him go this year without really knowing what he can do. :confused:

I don't see THunt or Guthrie his equal at the inside midfield game, no way, their talents are broarder, but not with the focus of ability Hogan possesses as an inside mid.
For a young guy, Selwood's got a few miles on the clock, I even think for Joels sake, perserverence is a must.
Not to mention, he's still going to get around 30 possessions a game for us, just tell him to make them all handballs. ;)
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The player has to fit the club not the opposite. If he can't kick he can't play it's that simple.

At the moment he is a poor mans matt priddis, probably at best a good solid player. Our depth however means we don't need a guy who can get the ball but cant kick and makes poor choices.

We also dont desperately need an inside mid we do have selwood, corey,kelly, bartel.

Give the guy 5-10 games this year and if he still has kicking/awareness problems then i'd let him go.

Not everyone you develop is going to turn into a 150 game player.
 
catswhiskers said:
Love to see some stat on kicking efficiency for the match but i suspect it was quite good even tho he has an ugly action.
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Cant find what his kicking efficiency was, but Hogan's disposal efficiency for the night was 65%.


Other Players
Bartel - 26 disposals at 54%
Guthrie - 22 disposals at 86%
T.Hunt - 22 disposals at 73%
Selwood - 19 Disposals at 84%

* Byrnes was the worst at 37%.
* Tom Gillies was the best at 92%
 
dazbroncos said:
Really good points PO.. spot on.... and I think this is why we will see Hogan this year before Motlop and Smedts...Guthrie I reckon will get a go with Hogan....

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I don't think we'll see Hogan 'before' Motlop as the latter will probably be Varcoe/Wojo's replacement until they return from injury, but my point about neither Motlop or the others being able to play the same inside mid role as Hogan is valid. Particularly with the 3 + 1 rule too, where Hogan's superior endurance capacity over all the kids becomes a big issue when you're picking your midfield. Hence why I mentioned Poodle as he is the only other one who genuinely has the strong body and ability to cover the ground that you need to be a full time mid option (if we replace Ling with that type of player). Guthrie might play 20 games while Hogan sits in the VFL, that's eminently possible, but they won't be as a genuine (read full time) midfielder because he hasn't the tank for it yet. Which means if you're in the camp of 'Hogan isn't likely to play because his disposal is poor' then you're either plumping that Poodle will be a fulltime midfielder or we'll make a significant structural change to our midfield rotation as the other options can't play there on a full time basis, yet.

Look, I'm not blind to Hogan's flaws, clearly he has weaknesses alongside his strengths, and there are other kids such as Poodle Guthrie etc who I am more confident about being 150 game players, but I also think a lot of the people on this board potting Hogan don't realise how close to the 22 he actually is, and how many games he is actually likely to play as part of the squad we've got. They also undervalue how highly the coaches value someone who can win their own ball first time on a consistent basis, VC was spot on when he said that's a pretty valuable commodity thesedays.
 
Pure_Ownage said:
I don't think we'll see Hogan 'before' Motlop as the latter will probably be Varcoe/Wojo's replacement until they return from injury, but my point about neither Motlop or the others being able to play the same inside mid role as Hogan is valid. Particularly with the 3 + 1 rule too, where Hogan's superior endurance capacity over all the kids becomes a big issue when you're picking your midfield. Hence why I mentioned Poodle as he is the only other one who genuinely has the strong body and ability to cover the ground that you need to be a full time mid option (if we replace Ling with that type of player). Guthrie might play 20 games while Hogan sits in the VFL, that's eminently possible, but they won't be as a genuine (read full time) midfielder because he hasn't the tank for it yet. Which means if you're in the camp of 'Hogan isn't likely to play because his disposal is poor' then you're either plumping that Poodle will be a fulltime midfielder or we'll make a significant structural change to our midfield rotation as the other options can't play there on a full time basis, yet.

Look, I'm not blind to Hogan's flaws, clearly he has weaknesses alongside his strengths, and there are other kids such as Poodle Guthrie etc who I am more confident about being 150 game players, but I also think a lot of the people on this board potting Hogan don't realise how close to the 22 he actually is, and how many games he is actually likely to play as part of the squad we've got. They also undervalue how highly the coaches value someone who can win their own ball first time on a consistent basis, VC was spot on when he said that's a pretty valuable commodity thesedays.
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Think you’ll find that higher on the coaching hierarchies must list are “clean hands” and “ball use”. Just saying..........;)
 
kriso182 said:
Cant find what his kicking efficiency was, but Hogan's disposal efficiency for the night was 65%.


Other Players
Bartel - 26 disposals at 54%
Guthrie - 22 disposals at 86%
T.Hunt - 22 disposals at 73%
Selwood - 19 Disposals at 84%

* Byrnes was the worst at 37%.
* Tom Gillies was the best at 92%
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Deserves a re-read..........:thumbsu:

Guess we better dump that spud Bartel with disposal efficiency that low!!

Guthrie is a gun! I am sold on him after watching the game ( twice )....we are going to see a lot of him this year.
 
David the Cat said:
Deserves a re-read..........:thumbsu:

Guess we better dump that spud Bartel with disposal efficiency that low!!

Guthrie is a gun! I am sold on him after watching the game ( twice )....we are going to see a lot of him this year.
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Giday Dave if you get up to Zermatt this weekend you might spot a couple of Geelong scarves and Beanies.
 
Kriso,

What was Hogans disposal count?.....65% effecitive, not the best, but by no means anything like the worst.

I'd like to know how many times he got it!.......Thanks.
 
meto said:
Kriso,

What was Hogans disposal count?.....65% effecitive, not the best, but by no means anything like the worst.

I'd like to know how many times he got it!.......Thanks.
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12 kicks 11 HB's
 

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you pick one said:
Giday Dave if you get up to Zermatt this weekend you might spot a couple of Geelong scarves and Beanies.
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Got back yesterday after a week in perfect snow......didn't see any Geelong beanies unfortunately....I hear condtions will be even better after a dump of snow tomorrow. Good conditions for the sprogs!!

As you can imagine ypo, I was Bartelesque on the slopes.....:thumbsu::thumbsu:
 
David the Cat said:
Got back yesterday after a week in perfect snow......didn't see any Geelong beanies unfortunately....I hear condtions will be even better after a dump of snow tomorrow. Good conditions for the sprogs!!

As you can imagine ypo, I was Bartelesque on the slopes.....:thumbsu::thumbsu:
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Are you sure you don't mean slops:D
 
you pick one said:
And a lot of them from memory were right in the heat of the kitchen, so expect a few to be smothered or disposed of simple to avoid being pinged for holding the ball.
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I see Hogan as a vital inclusion going ahead this year, without him Selwood will find the going that much harder, owing to the departure of Ling.
And he's alot faster than Ling.

Like Murphy and Judd or Ball and Swan, we need that second insider to win the clearances to be successful in 2012.
 
meto said:
I see Hogan as a vital inclusion going ahead this year, without him Selwood will find the going that much harder, owing to the departure of Ling.
And he's alot faster than Ling.

Like Murphy and Judd or Ball and Swan, we need that second insider to win the clearances to be successful in 2012.
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Kelly, Christenson, Corey, Bartel
 

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Bits that I have seen of the games he seemed ok given that he has not played at that level for some time.
Many of the Players ,including Selwood, had clangers, poor disposal amongst that.
 
I was impressed with Hogan in the NAB, but I'm wary of giving him the Kiss of Death!
I had doubts about a few other blokes over recent time: Hawkins, Varcoe, Byrnes, Lonergan... real duds!!

Not the best judge, eh?! :o :o
 
Monniehawk said:
I was impressed with Hogan in the NAB, but I'm wary of giving him the Kiss of Death!
I had doubts about a few other blokes over recent time: Hawkins, Varcoe, Byrnes, Lonergan... real duds!!

Not the best judge, eh?! :o :o
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I call BS on anyone who thought at the end of 2009 Lonergan would be a contracted Geelong AFL player now, let alone a walk-up start and one of our most reliable players. Couldn't be happier that I was wrong.
 
MC Extra Dollop said:
I call BS on anyone who thought at the end of 2009 Lonergan would be a contracted Geelong AFL player now, let alone a walk-up start and one of our most reliable players. Couldn't be happier that I was wrong.
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I knew he would be, he always showed too much ability not to be. Was just never given enough time to settle and the bigfooty mob does love to throw players under the bus whether they warrant it or not.
 

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