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Whats the odds Lachie has signed for somewhere around $700k a year? Money would not of influenced this contract signing at all.
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The evidence is that GWS haven't been busted for rorting the salary cap.
And then you will inevitably say 'well that's because GWS are an AFL lovechild and it's being covered up with shady deals'.
but I don't think there's been a club with more $1m+ deals fit under a single cap than this current Giant's side....
With Whitfield re-signing being great news for the club on another reported 'mega deal' of 7 years and Cameron reportedly close on a similar deal it would leave the following deals in the last few years.
The quests have to be asked, how much 'ambassadorial' money is flowing into these contracts?
Toby Green - reported 6 years @ $1m a season
Josh Kelly - reported 10 years @ $1m+ a season
Stephen Coniglio - reported 7 years @ $1m a season
Lachie Whitield - reported 7 years @ $1m a season
Tim Taranto - Extended for 2 years in 2019 in a year he went on to win the B&F? $600-$800k estimate.
Jeremy Cameron - Circa $1m deal incoming...
Then there's Hopper, Davis, Shaw, Williams, Himmelberg
The above 6 consume around 50% of the salary cap, with around $170k on average remaining to pay the remainder of the 80% of the playing list.
They've certainly lost a few players along the way, but I don't think there's been a club with more $1m+ deals fit under a single cap than this current Giant's side....
That's not evidence. That's the current situation which could change.The evidence is that GWS haven't been busted for rorting the salary cap.
And then you will inevitably say 'well that's because GWS are an AFL lovechild and it's being covered up with shady deals'.
Conjecture is right, on both sides.Maybe GWS are paying half their players in ambassadorial payments or VISY deals or maybe they are just flouting the salary cap at will with the AFL's blessing.
However that's all just conjecture. No point arguing that because nothing I could say would make people change their minds on a conspiracy.
No other club has this amount of talent on the big $$$ and these players would not sign for 50% of what they would get from a club 'Back Home' so they are on very good coin. Whitfield,Cameron,Greene,Coniglio,Kelly would all be well in the $1 mil bracket then you have the following players likeNobody knows the figures, the media guess.
Its weird that supporters of clubs that proudly celebrate the cultures their clubs have built over the past few years are the same ones in here launching conspiracy theories against the actual same thing.
Players want to be in Sydney for the lifestyle benefits and will take unders to keep it.
Contracted players with back ended deals can be traded out.
It was reported that Toby Green took a paycut to help the club fit some of the other players in under the salary cap so I think you need to revisit your theories.
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Where was it reported out of interest? The only one you have correct IMO is that Cameron is a million dollar player. Green, kelly cogs whit would all be under a mil a season.
What WAS reported was all those players you mention making a pact two years ago to take unders to stay together.
I agree the cap is tight.... but you can't just make up that they are all on a mill
That's not evidence. That's the current situation which could change.
There is no evidence available publicly to answer the question either way, that doesn't mean there isn't an answer.
The assumption is that they are under the cap because the AFL has not punished them. That's like assuming everyone is paying their taxes in full because the ATO hasn't taken them to court.
Conjecture is right, on both sides.
One thing we know is that the AFL is not a level playing field. There are many ways they publicly and privately meddle for the outcome they want.
Equalisation, the fixture, finals venues, academy and F/S bidding, direct hand outs or lack of, sign off or rejection of trades, stopping Swans from trading, punishing Melbourne for not tanking.
It's fairly reasonable to question their motives and the situation given the history of the AFL and other sporting codes are no different.
Fertile ground for conspiracies no doubt but I don't think someone questioning how the Giants can afford all of these contracts is automatically a conspiracy nut.
They've cleared some big dollars off their books in recent years with Shiel, Scully, Patton and others moving, and we know their rotating door of early picks come in on low wages. Be interesting to see how they go next off season though
I'm not going to say that, but other professional sports teams at least publicize player salary.
The AFL simply says that they're not and that we simply have to trust them on that fact.
I don't think the AFL works like that.I don't agree with that analogy because there are 18 clubs which get their salary cap scrutinised every year presumably by armies of accountants and auditors as opposed to the millions of taxpayers which the ATO looks at. If there were 18 taxplayers in Australia you can bet they'd be analysed closely too.
Of course the media should ask questions as to how they could afford the reported figures but I am not the expert here and if the AFL has signed it off then it's all just baseless conjecture. The only thing we knew in 2018 was that six were getting paid over a million per year - whether three of them were in GWS or whether Naitanui was one of them etc etc is something we are not and will not be privy to.
All these players would have been well paid in the early years which makes them far more likely to stay loyal for less.Also - that would be fine, but it also discounts the fact that Wilson, Hopper, Himmelberg, Taranto and Haynes have all gotten better and signed new deals in the meanwhile.
I don't think the AFL works like that.
You assume that if it's not public knowledge then its not happening. That's your basis for evidence. There is no evidence it is happening therefor it isn't happening.
Goes both ways though, there is no evidence it isn't happening.
All these players would have been well paid in the early years which makes them far more likely to stay loyal for less.
No other club has this amount of talent on the big $$$ and these players would not sign for 50% of what they would get from a club 'Back Home' so they are on very good coin. Whitfield,Cameron,Greene,Coniglio,Kelly would all be well in the $1 mil bracket then you have the following players like
Ward,Davies,Toranto,Hopper,Himmelberg,Williams who would all have to be in the $500k range
Not leaving alot for players like Taylor,Green,Hately,Caldwell in a few years time
But players will slip out its just a matter of which ones and can GWS snag a flag or 2 in that time, Its all about the NOW for GWS
I'm not sure what past losses of players have to do with anything....
Yes they lost Shield, Scully, Patton, Tomlinson during a cap squeezes.
But Taranto moved off of his initial draft contract as one of their best players...
Hopper ignored advances from Victoria.
Himmelberg and Finlayson have emerged as genuine best 22 key forwards.
Swings and round about with the rest of the losses....
At the top end however, their best 6-7 players are on enormous deals in comparison to when Treloar etc left.
They also have a history of automatically extending their top draft picks onto $300k+ deals. The likes of Bonar, Ahern, Setterfield, Kennedy etc.
So there's not too many minimum contracts getting about....
With Whitfield re-signing being great news for the club on another reported 'mega deal' of 7 years and Cameron reportedly close on a similar deal it would leave the following deals in the last few years.
The questions have to be asked, how much 'ambassadorial' money is flowing into these contracts?
Toby Green - reported 6 years @ $1m a season
Josh Kelly - reported 10 years @ $1m+ a season
Stephen Coniglio - reported 7 years @ $1m a season
Lachie Whitield - reported 7 years @ $1m a season
Tim Taranto - Extended for 2 years in 2019 in a year he went on to win the B&F? $600-$800k estimate.
Jeremy Cameron - Circa $1m deal incoming...
Then there's Hopper, Davis, Shaw, Williams, Himmelberg
The above 6 consume around 50% of the salary cap, with around $170k on average remaining to pay the remainder of the 80% of the playing list.
They've certainly lost a few players along the way, but I don't think there's been a club with more $1m+ deals fit under a single cap than this current Giant's side....
bullshit. Theres zero evidence.The evidence is that GWS haven't been busted for rorting the salary cap.
And then you will inevitably say 'well that's because GWS are an AFL lovechild and it's being covered up with shady deals'.
Six million-dollar men as player salaries go up again
The League has released the player payment data for 2018 and there are some familiar names at the topwww.afl.com.au
This article lists the 6 million dollar men for 2019, one of those being GWS forward Jeremy Cameron.
With the announcement of Lachie Whitfield signing a long term 7 year deal, turning down what would have been many big money offers from other clubs, GWS add another player with million dollar potential locked away.
Lach him in: Another star Giant signs mega-deal
Lachie Whitfield has signed a whopping seven-year contract extension with Greater Western Sydney, following in the footsteps of skipper Stephen Conigliowww.afl.com.au
GWS already have Cameron believed to be on $1m. Josh Kelly signed a not inconsiderable deal, rejecting overtures from North Melbourne. Toby Greene is known to have signed a hefty deal as well.
This year, Lachie Whitfield joins Stephen Coniglio as the newest highly paid, long tenured players on the list.
With the contracts of Cameron, Greene, Kelly, Whitfield and Coniglio, it would not be a stretch to assume that at least 2 and potentially 3 of those players are pulling in 7 figures.
This begs the question - is this suspicious considering the quality of players and the huge amount of money involved? Is there any way to alleviate the concerns of the multitude of other clubs, save for making player payments public?