Sky News is trash. Tests the waters with spot for Nazi Cottrell, immediately regrets it.

[bfff]

geelong_crazy26

How many times have you read Atlas Shrugged? For real.

 

[Bombermania]

Cut it out. They ran a mixed economy. And they were far from collectivist. Ask the Jews, Romani, Women, Disabled, non-Aryan, leftists, Trade unions and every one else they persecuted.

Do the math. Take the population of Germany. Subtract women from it (you've halved it). Now from the remaining 50 percent take out the Jews, non Arayans, Leftists, liberals, anarchists, opponents of the regime, communists and disabled people.

That's who they governed for. Far from the 'collective' it was a small proportion of the population.

This highlights the problem with political labels as the Nazis did call themselves "socialist" nor is being racist necessarily a "right-wing" thing as the White Australia Policy came from the Australian left. The bigger issue is why would any modern day sane thinking person want anything to do with Nazis ideology.

 

[Malifice]

This highlights the problem with political labels as the Nazis did call themselves "socialist" nor is being racist necessarily a "right-wing" thing as the White Australia Policy came from the Australian left. The bigger issue is why would any modern day sane thinking person want anything to do with Nazis ideology.

Socialism is not (necessarily) of the left. Just like not all capitalists are of the political right.

And its also fair (and accurate) to say the Nazis used a mixed economy. Where there was a lot of central planning and government control (which is common in a Dictatorship) Hitler did not want to piss off the wealthy aristocrats, Junkers and industrialists who he largely left alone.

Hitler wasnt using 'Socialism' for the benefit of all people, and to promote equality. He was using it to promote the interests of [white, male, Aryan, heterosexual, German men]. Women were denied work (and plenty of other things) until late in the war (when Hitler finally realised that excluding half your population from the workforce is a bad idea), homosexuals were persecuted (and indeed included in the holocaust and massacred), non Arayns and the disabled faced similar persecution ('life not worthy of life'), and non Germans were expelled, denied rights, and finally (as is always the case with ultra nationalist far right wing governments) neighboring non German nations were invaded.

In short he protected and promoted the interests of the dominant social group and the bourgeoisie (the status quo) and persecuted everyone else. And by 'persecute', he dialed that s**t up to 11, with mass killings on an industrial scale.

Extreme leftism (on the other hand) tends to round up the dominant social group and the bourgeoisie and have them executed and persecuted while (ostensibly) giving stuff to the poor, working class, proletariat, etc. Look at Pol Pot and the Khmer Rouge or Stalins take on Marxism for examples. Mass killings and Gulags in an effort to protect the poor working class and bring about 'equality'.

I'm opposed to Communism (or any form of absolute dictatorship) for just such a reason. Communism invariably leads to a totalitarian State (either a dictatorship like North Korea, Cuba, Cambodia, or a unitary party State like China, the USSR etc) where absolute control over all aspects of life (and not just the means of production) is needed in order for the State to function.

As a liberal I am totally opposed to any form of totalitarianism including [fascism, nationalism, nazism, communism, fundamentalism, dictatorships - benevolent or otherwise]. Im a firm believer that the State answers to, and is accountable to, the people, and not the other way around, and that the only role of the State is to protect its citizens from harm from others (i.e. to preserve liberty).

Those protections extend into the economic sphere as well, but otherwise the market should be free from government over-regulation or control, and the means of production should remain firmly in private hands.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Based on the wealth of laws aimed to curtain womens freedoms to participate equally in society.

Something you crap on about yourself over and over and over about.

Keeping women out of the workforce and at home was not a right wing policy in the 1930's and 1940' s.

If anything it was more a left wing policy at the time as the trade unions didnt like women taking jobs that should go to the family bread winner, the man.

 

[Baltimore Jack]

The Nazis were socialists, its in their name.

A socialist is someone who puts the collective before the individual. This might have good intentions but it always ends badly because what it means is that those individuals who hold back the collective must be eliminated which is what the Nazis did. There is no were else for socialism to go , it can not work any other way.

I'm going to put Millionaire in my name if that's all it takes

 

[Elroo]

Explain to me how North Korea is a democracy.

And old East Germany, the German Democratic republic was also a Democracy as it's in the name!

 

[Baltimore Jack]

Bernard Keane‏Verified account @BernardKeane
If you read histories of the 1930s and are appalled so many people did nothing and think "yeah I would have stood up against fascists" well you're in luck!
Actual fascists are in our largest media company.
Now's your chance.

 

[CheapCharlie]

hahha

Listening to this interview with the transport minister in VIC
Apparently the Cottrell interview was never shown on the railway system.
A train wreck of generalities

A bit like reading the outrage on here for the interview being shown on the platforms...except it never was

 

[pazza]

hahha

Listening to this interview with the transport minister in VIC
Apparently the interview was never shown on the railway system.
A train wreck of generalities

A bit like reading the outrage on here for the interview being shown on the platforms...except it never was

To me it's not the fact that the interview wasn't shown..but the fact Sky News was allowed a free kick to ambush the market by being there. Do we need news rammed down our throats when waiting for trains..even if that news isn't being viewed anyway?

To my mind, those screens should be used in conjunction with the PIDS to provide information to passengers..e.g. travel times.

As for Cottrell, how is he not in prison? He has form and been in there previously.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

They're far right wing. Socialism or not.

Im sick of you parrotting this 'Nazis were left wing' bullshit over and over again.

You have the false idea that the right favour white heterosexual men.

The right favour equality of opportunity, equality of outcomes is not an objective of the right but of the left. I don't care if men earn 4x what women do as long as it is based on merit.

This whole idea about white male privilege is total nonsense, Asian men earn more in the US than white men do.

 

[Malifice]

The right favour equality of opportunity

Does an Aboriginal child, born suffering from the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome, to a single parent household, where her relatives and mother are all either methamphetamine abusers or vicitims of extreme domestic violence, who is repeatedly sexually abused as a child, have the same 'opportunities' as say.. Gina Rhinehearts kids, or Rupert Murdochs?

Your ridiculous theory presumes a level playing field, and people only succeeding because of some inherent quality they possess. It totally discounts the fact that not only does the world not actually work that way, but also that entrenched disadvantage means equal opportunity is impossible without the provision of additional help.

If you really want that girl in my example to have anything resembling equal opportunities, she clearly needs a helping hand to get there.

Do you get it yet? Non discrimination can itself be a form of discrimination.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Does an Aboriginal child, born suffering from the effects of fetal alcohol syndrome, to a single parent household, where her relatives and mother are all either methamphetamine abusers or vicitims of extreme domestic violence, who is repeatedly sexually abused as a child, have the same 'opportunities' as say.. Gina Rhinehearts kids, or Rupert Murdochs?

Your ridiculous theory presumes a level playing field, and people only succeeding because of some inherent quality they possess. It totally discounts the fact that not only does the world not actually work that way, but also that entrenched disadvantage means equal opportunity is impossible without the provision of additional help.

If you really want that girl in my example to have anything resembling equal opportunities, she clearly needs a helping hand to get there.

Do you get it yet? Non discrimination can itself be a form of discrimination.

The scenario you provided has nothing to do with government not providing equal opportunity, its to do with parents not providing equal opportunity.

Are you suggesting the government should penalise the offspring of good parents and reward the offspring of bad parents ?

Also using billionaires as an example isn't really helpful, most parents who give their kids a good head start in life work their butt of to do so and they are not all rich.

Seems to me like what needs to happen in this situation is the government should do whatever is required to take the child away from this toxic family.

 

[Malifice]

The scenario you provided has nothing to do with government not providing equal opportunity, its to do with parents not providing equal opportunity.

Lol! It was an Aboriginal person. People who the government took land and children off, and that weren't even allowed to vote or participate in government until the 60's!

Geelong Crazy do you support laws that require companies to provide handicapped accessibility, (building ramps and so forth), the NDIS and other special measures and laws designed to assist handicapped and disabled people to participate in society on a reasonably equal footing with people who are not disabled or handicapped?

 

[EasternTiger]

Yep, equality of opportunity is where it's at.

Start carrying on about equality of outcome and you won't be taken seriously out there in the real world where the rubber meets the road. However! Ranting hysterically on footy forums IS allowed.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Lol! It was an Aboriginal person. People who the government took land and children off, and that weren't even allowed to vote or participate in government until the 60's!

Geelong Crazy do you support laws that require companies to provide handicapped accessibility, (building ramps and so forth), the NDIS and other special measures and laws designed to assist handicapped and disabled people to participate in society on a reasonably equal footing with people who are not disabled or handicapped?

Yes of course I support assistance to people with disability's. These people would not be able to survive otherwise, I would even oppose an increase in the disability pension.

I would argue that other than those with a disability all other adults are capable of looking after themselves.

Exactly what type of assistance are you talking about and to who ?

If wouldn't oppose the government doing more to provide educational opportunities to indigenous children. Scholarships to schools and Universities would be fine.

 

[Malifice]

Yes of course I support assistance to people with disabilities

On what basis?

They have equal opportunities along with every one else don't they?

You're saying they deserve 'special treatment' from the Government to give them a leg up so they have greater opportunities.

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

White people are not individuals they are a collective. Those who they wanted to eliminate they believed were holding back the collective/white people.

If they governed for the individual than all people would be allowed to flourish as they wouldn't be punished for holding the collective back.

The collective does not also have to be a majority, its simply a collection of individuals. Although from what I can tell the Nazis governed for a majority.

You keep saying they didn't govern for women, based on what ? they gave out awards for women who had babies, the Nazis just promoted what was considered the normal roll for women at the time.

Think of socialism like a team sport, those who are not performing must be moved on.

Genius. So every government ever is left-wing according to you, because they deal with some people as 'a collective'. Das ist dumb.

Refusing to take questions from Boys at a school presentation

Writing comments like kill all men

Attacking men for things like mental health issues and murdering their kids but staying strangely silent when women do the same thing.

Being removed as a speaker for lifeline because of her extreme views

Her unwillingness to acknowledge the gender of her child.

Repeatedly wriutes articles which are directly focused on attacking men and have no balance to them.

Her refusal to accept and acknowledge statistics and other facts which show genuine problems relating to males.

These are some of the key ones. I think the fact that a large number of people agree she holds extreme views outweighs your view that she isn't

So to be an 'extremist' is to write an opinionated column now, is it? Because everything else is that list is easily rebutted. You have to pretend she is an extremist to claim she is an extremist, because it allows you to pretend that she might genuinely mean "kill all men", when everyone knows she doesn't mean that.

The online obsession with Clementine Ford is embarrassing for you and your lot.

I get what your saying, even if an advanced alien race or another country decided to colonize Australia it is still not the same as the British colonizing Australia.

1.The aboriginal people were not a civilization they were a group of people wandering around on a harsh landscape with little innovation more than simple wooden objects. Australia is a sophisticated civilization.

2. Britain colonized Australia in 1787 not 2018 or later. You cant take todays standards and apply them to the past, obviously we don't go around colonizing countries in the year 2018 like we did hundreds of years ago.

I find it disgusting that the far left are obsessed with changing the date but at the same time are totally silent on the rate of domestic violence amongst indigenous communities which is 34x higher than the rest of Australia. Thankfully we have Sky news to point this out.

People knew perfectly well the impact of colonising in the 18th Century and had known about it for centuries. So add that to your pile of 'facts I'll ignore because I'm a useless troll'.

 

[Father Jack]

Yep, equality of opportunity is where it's at.

Start carrying on about equality of outcome and you won't be taken seriously out there in the real world where the rubber meets the road. However! Ranting hysterically on footy forums IS allowed.

The only people I've heard ever mention 'equality of outcome' is you lot. Do you honestly believe that 'equality of opportunity' is how you end up with the tiny minority of super rich, and the teeming multitudes in grinding poverty?

 

[CheapCharlie]

The only people I've heard ever mention 'equality of outcome' is you lot. Do you honestly believe that 'equality of opportunity' is how you end up with the tiny minority of super rich, and the teeming multitudes in grinding poverty?

Engage your brain

Do you want to have the BEST engineers, Doctors, Scientists, Physicists, etcetera
or do you want to have positions decided to fit equal gender and diversity representation?

Obviously some areas society should want the BEST minds for the job...regardless of who the person it is

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

Engage your brain

Do you want to have the BEST engineers, Doctors, Scientists, Physicists, etcetera
or do you want to have positions decided to fit equal gender and diversity representation?

Obviously some areas society should want the BEST minds for the job...regardless of who the person it is

Engage your own brain.

If you want the "BEST", what are the chances that there might be a fair few people who aren't white and male? High, right? Or if you think male cultural privilege has allowed men to often be the "BEST", wouldn't you want to open up that idea of what a leader looks like, so we fully make use of the rest of the demographics?

And if you believe that white men are always going to be the "BEST", you should still want diversity because it's very easy as it stands to point at a bunch of white folk who have done poor jobs. If those obviously incompetent people weren't there, then the batty argument about superiority wouldn't look/sound so silly.

 

[CheapCharlie]

Engage your own brain.

If you want the "BEST", what are the chances that there might be a fair few people who aren't white and male? High, right? Or if you think male cultural privilege has allowed men to often be the "BEST", wouldn't you want to open up that idea of what a leader looks like, so we fully make use of the rest of the demographics?

And if you believe that white men are always going to be the "BEST", you should still want diversity because it's very easy as it stands to point at a bunch of white folk who have done poor jobs. If those obviously incompetent people weren't there, then the batty argument about superiority wouldn't look/sound so silly.

holy cow bro!

Your post could be the the most racist and patronising post on this entire thread!

Who said ANYTHING about the best being white?

The best really does mean the best.
Man, woman, black, white, Western, Asian, African , whatever

 

[Ratts of Tobruk]

holy cow bro!

Your post could be the the most racist and patronising post on this entire thread!

Who said ANYTHING about the best being white?

The best really does mean the best.
Man, woman, black, white, Western, Asian, African , whatever

holy cow s**t!

Your post could be the the most disingenuous post since your last post!

But it is, of course, yet another example of a right-winger loving using labels on people, just like right-wingers pretend to hate. So it's useful to that end.

 

[geelong_crazy26]

On what basis?

They have equal opportunities along with every one else don't they?

You're saying they deserve 'special treatment' from the Government to give them a leg up so they have greater opportunities.

They are not abled bodied adults , I don't expect children or people with a disability to be able to look after themselves. Some people with disabilities can look after themselves but others cant.

I don't see the link between people with a disability and aboriginals ? people with a disability are either physically or intellectually impaired , with aboriginals its more of a cultural problem.

 

[CheapCharlie]

holy cow s**t!

Your post could be the the most disingenuous post since your last post!

But it is, of course, yet another example of a right-winger loving using labels on people, just like right-wingers pretend to hate. So it's useful to that end.

Hahaa

You made a right fool of yourself posting that patronising rubbish because your own prejudice makes you think white people are best
Your true colours have been revealed

 

[geelong_crazy26]

Genius. So every government ever is left-wing according to you, because they deal with some people as 'a collective'. Das ist dumb.

So to be an 'extremist' is to write an opinionated column now, is it? Because everything else is that list is easily rebutted. You have to pretend she is an extremist to claim she is an extremist, because it allows you to pretend that she might genuinely mean "kill all men", when everyone knows she doesn't mean that.

The online obsession with Clementine Ford is embarrassing for you and your lot.

People knew perfectly well the impact of colonising in the 18th Century and had known about it for centuries. So add that to your pile of 'facts I'll ignore because I'm a useless troll'.

A government either puts the rights of the collective first or the individual.

Clementine ford has very bad self esteem issues, for women like her feminism is a form of therapy. Its a bit rich for you to have a go at people on the right for being worked up about someone on the left, my god the left is still having a massive dummy spit over Trump. Every time he tweets you guys have a meltdown.