Smoking to be banned in pubs and clubs

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Thought I'd start a new topic now that we just going around in circles, beating each other over the head with bricks after what happened on Saturday.

Now, I hope people have now become aware that Carr and Bracks have decided to follow Beattie's lead in announcing that smoking is to be banned in pubs and clubs. Bracks even going the extra step of banning it on railway station (despite some already having these "bans" in place).

Now, I am going to sit on the fence on this one.

On one hand, I have been a severe asthmatic all my life, so I haven't needed to smoke or felt the urge to. But, at the same time, I am a bit of a regular customer at pubs with mates who are smokers. I also have friends who work in the hospitality industry, who don't smoke, but, receive the effects in their workplace.

Would such a ban cause job losses? Would it mean facilities needing to be made so that smokers can still be accommodated? Could it have a detrimental effect on business?

What about the casinos receiving special treatment with these proposed laws, so as to protect their income from high-rollers?

Just wishing to know what we all think.
 

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Railway stations is stupid (if open air). Mixed feelings on pubs and clubs. I think that roles could be reversed, and rather than a non-smoking room, they should be limited to one smoking room.

I don't smoke myself, but friends do, and I don't really mind. Their decision.
 

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Am a smoker, have no problems with the ban - should be sooner. Present set-up must be rough for staff.

Re seperate room, have seen siimilar set-ups in Canberra and it didn't seem to work well.

Re job losses/profit losses, some here in Sydney reckon it is all about gambling. Those who sit all day smoking in front of those mindless will be forced to go outside, and break continual link with playing the machine.
 

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Ever seen the glass enclosed smoking rooms in overseas airports. Non smokers able to look in on the massive hold the addiction has over smokers. Almost cruel.
 

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I've never been a smoker and never had a problem with smokers. Never whinged that it is a disgusting habit and am not bothered with smokers being round me. But these laws are good and another step in the right direction. We've come a long way in 20 years to socially outcast smoking. This will further prevent people from starting up. The more smoking is made unacceptable, the less people will start, and the less people will suffer from passive smoking.
 

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I was listening to the radio the other day (JJJ I think) and they were talking about how often people change their jeans and what is acceptable. I was surprised (and alarmed) that people rang up and said they wear their jeans after a night out. Their reasoning was that they have usually been washed before going out and washing them after one night is not worth it. When I go out, wearing any of the clothes from the night before without having them washed is not an option. They always reek of cigarette smoke.

I often wear a pair of jeans out that haven't been washed for a while (to a pub rather than a restaurant) because no one can tell your jeans aren't clean and ironed in a smokey pub. They're going to get dirty (smelling of smoke) within minutes anyway.
 

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Ever seen the glass enclosed smoking rooms in overseas airports. Non smokers able to look in on the massive hold the addiction has over smokers. Almost cruel.
I get a laugh out of that too. In Bangkok Airport they all pile in these little rooms like monkeys at the zoo. Don't know why it makes me laugh but it does.

Was in a meeting at work the other day and the client's chief man lit up in the meeting. Haven't seen that ever. It was as much a display of arrogance ("I'm the boss and I'll have a smoke") as anything. Next meeting I might take a joint and light it up after him and see what happens.
 

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I've never been a smoker and never had a problem with smokers. Never whinged that it is a disgusting habit and am not bothered with smokers being round me. But these laws are good and another step in the right direction. We've come a long way in 20 years to socially outcast smoking. This will further prevent people from starting up. The more smoking is made unacceptable, the less people will start, and the less people will suffer from passive smoking.
Excellently put Bunsen (its a nice change to be able to say that).
 

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goaldrush1977 said:
The Australian Government should go one better and ban smoking altogether. This is a start though. :) :cool:
Maybe a little history in regards to prohibition would change your mind Suzi..because that sort of total banning really just doesn't work.
 

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Maybe a little history in regards to prohibition would change your mind Suzi..because that sort of total banning really just doesn't work.
Switzerland have got a total ban on smoking. If anyone is caught smoking they get put into jail.
 

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And people say Howard is a fascist.

The over exagerated dangers of 2nd hand smoke is one of the biggest scams of all time.It's just another excuse for people to enforce their beliefs on others.

Whats next .Ban smoking outdoors.Oh thats right they've already done that at outdoor footy grounds like the "g" :rolleyes:

I get annoyed by loud talkers in pubs,especially ones that speak shyte.They aren't good for my mental health.Maybe we should ban them too.

P.S I'm an ex-chain smoker if thats of any relevance.
 

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And people say Howard is a fascist.

The over exagerated dangers of 2nd hand smoke is one of the biggest scams of all time.It's just another excuse for people to enforce their beliefs on others.

Whats next .Ban smoking outdoors.Oh thats right they've already done that at outdoor footy grounds like the "g" :rolleyes:

I get annoyed by loud talkers in pubs,especially ones that speak shyte.They aren't good for my mental health.Maybe we should ban them too.

P.S I'm an ex-chain smoker if thats of any relevance.
I think you may find the whole thing is really litigation-avoidance driven, and not wishy-washy-doogooder driven.
 

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I think you may find the whole thing is really litigation-avoidance driven, and not wishy-washy-doogooder driven.
Yeah your probably right funkyfreo.

Thats annoys me too bit i guess thats for another thread.

I just wish people could take responsibility for the own lives and not impose their values onto others.

I hate the "nanny state"
 

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Yeah your probably right funkyfreo.

Thats annoys me too bit i guess thats for another thread.

I just wish people could take responsibility for the own lives and not impose their values onto others.

I hate the "nanny state"
If YOU got lung cancer, and YOUR lawyer told you you could make a few million dollars suing your employer because you worked in a bar, well you are a better man than me if you can honestly say you wouldn;t take the couple of mill. Because we are human after all.

quick edit - sorry if you are not a man!
 

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If YOU got lung cancer, and YOUR lawyer told you you could make a few million dollars suing your employer because you worked in a bar, well you are a better man than me if you can honestly say you wouldn;t take the couple of mill. Because we are human after all.

quick edit - sorry if you are not a man!
Well I'm against the laws that say you can sue your employer for contracting lung cancer allegedly from working in a pub.

I live near a freeway,if I contract lung cancer or emphesema(sp?) maybe I should sue the TAC or Toyota? Where does it end?
 

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Open air or not, people have the right not to be bothered by the stench of other people's smoke.

Smoke to your hearts content, just be considerate when around others.
 

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Well I'm against the laws that say you can sue your employer for contracting lung cancer allegedly from working in a pub.

I live near a freeway,if I contract lung cancer or emphesema(sp?) maybe I should sue the TAC or Toyota? Where does it end?
Believe me I actually agree with your stance on this, but I'm being a bit of a devil's advocate. I hate a litigious society,

For all you think you should not be able to sue in that case, if the bloke next to you sued and got a bucketload of cash, can you honestly say you would not do the same for the same cash?

Anyway, you would only get the cash if you could demonstrate that the government was fully aware of the health risks - which is certianly the case with smoking. But say the govt knew that your area had high air pollution, but hid the report under the carpet, you got cancer, then found out there had been a massive air quality cover-up??
 

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Open air or not, people have the right not to be bothered by the stench of other people's smoke.

Smoke to your hearts content, just be considerate when around others.

Yeah thats fine DaveW but why do we have to have a law enforcing it though.It's the thin end of the wedge IMO.

Imagine if the next thing is people feel inconvienced about you shouting "Go Crows" and pass a law to make you have to go outside Football Park to do it.I'm obviously being a little ludicrous to make my point but freedoms are slowly removed bit by bit.

10 years ago if you suggested we should ban smoking in a place where you go to drink you would've been laughed at.Now it seems most people are at ease with it.Each law that is passed is small in itself but over the years they mount up until lawmakers are deciding everything for us.
 

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Yeah thats fine DaveW but why do we have to have a law enforcing it though.It's the thin end of the wedge IMO.

Imagine if the next thing is people feel inconvienced about you shouting "Go Crows" and pass a law to make you have to go outside Football Park to do it.I'm obviously being a little ludicrous to make my point but freedoms are slowly removed bit by bit.

10 years ago if you suggested we should ban smoking in a place where you go to drink you would've been laughed at.Now it seems most people are at ease with it.Each law that is passed is small in itself but over the years they mount up until lawmakers are deciding everything for us.
The key thing is that it is not "annoying" but IT CAN KILL YOU!!! They know it can kill you so they have to ban it, or open themselves up for case after case after case. They are also trying to prevent people from taking up smoking because that KILLS PEOPLE and costs the health system a lot of money.

If shouting "Go Crows" caused cance then yes they would ban that too.
 

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How many times have you had your clothes go smelly or had the fresh morning air ruined by someone shouting "Go Crows"?
 
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