Draft Watcher Smythe's 2021 Draft Thread - Full Phantom with pick swaps post #295

[Smythe]

I can see where you’re coming from, but we’ve already got 4 young inside mids on the list that Sam will be liking to give time too, so I can’t see us trading out 26 to get another. Particularly if Taylor or Roberts are there.

We need balanced mids and a small forward.

fair enough but who are they by the way, Worple has stagnated big time, but under sam maybe that will change, bramble and newcombe are hard at it tacklers and new and need time, saunders is still light and will need a lot more time and on top of that you got rid of cousins, and neither of those four aforementioned can get forward to kick goals. I would rate Ned Long alongside Roberts in their ability to get the ball and be smart with it, both can go forward and kick goals and with the swap i was suggesting it helped the hawks also get a very good small forward in terms of small forwards from this draft.

 

[Smythe]

You've made it up to St.Kilda after the penultimate phantom draft.

Ward, Owens, Windhager and Dean is one hell of a draft! Hope it falls that way because I don't think we could do any better.

i dont make it up to teams i have just been giving pick swap ideas, and i definitely did not make them to get players where 'I' want them, as you suggested last pick swap draft
But yeah this one turned out ok for the saints, and also with that swap with Brisbane it gave the Lions points to help for next years bid matching process they will endure by getting rid of picks they were not going to use this year anyway

 

[briztoon]

FINAL PHANTOM WITH PICK SWAP IDEAS, BUT ITS ALSO A FULL DRAFT PHANTOM

I think after a quick double check i have all the picks correct

ROUND 1
1 - - Jason Horne Francis
Hawks trade 5 with future 1st and 2nd to GWS for 2, future 1st and 2nd
2 - - Nick Daicos - Hawks bid - Coll match
3 - - Finn Callaghan
4 - - Josh Gibcus
5 - - Josh Rachele
Wb trade 24 and future 2nd to Port for Future 1st
6 - - Sam Darcy - GWS bid - Wb match
7 - - Mac Andrew
8 - - Jye Amiss - Freo take Amiss here to make sure Rich dont
9 - - Ben Hobbs
10 - - Niel Erasmus
11 - - Josh Ward
12 - - Matt Johnson
13 - - Arlo Draper
14 - - Josh Sinn
15 - - Josh Goater
16 - - Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera
Ess trade future 1st and 3rd to Rich for 17 and future 2nd to grab a big inside mid
17 - - Mitch Knevitt
18 - - Sam Butler
Wb trade back in giving Melb Ports future 1st for 19 and a future 4th to sneak in and get a small lively fwd
19 - - Jesse Motlop
20 - - Leek Alleer - i have them going for Leek here as he has come on in literal leaps and bounds this year, is more gifted athletically than JVR and Bazzo is a very resilient kid and bigger bodied than both

ROUND 2

21 - - Darcy Wilmot
22 - - Jacob Van Rooyen
23 - - Tyler Sonsie
24 - - Tom Brown
25 - - Campbell Chesser
Geel trade 32 and 34 to Hawks for 26
26 - - Zac Taylor
27 - - Judson Clarke
28 - - Josh Fahey - Rich bid - GWS match
29 - - Blake Howes
30 - - Mitch Owens - Rich bid - Stk match
31 - - Rhett Bazzo
32 - - Cooper Murley
33 - - Matty Roberts
34 - - Ned Long
35 - - Cooper Macdonald
36 - - Lachlan Rankin
37 - - Toby Conway
Stk trade future 3rd and both future 4ths to bris for 45 and 64
38 - - Marcus Windhager - Geel bid - Stk match
39 - - Kai Lohmann
40 - - Angus Sheldrick
41 - - Brady Hough

ROUND 3

42 - - Corey Warner
43 - - Oscar Adams
44 - - Sam Banks
45 - - Jamieson Ballantyne
46 - - Lewis Rayson
47 - - Jase Burgoyne - Ess bid - Port match
48 - - Ronald Fejo Jnr
49 - - Jack Williams
50 - - Harvey Harrison
51 - - Taj Woewodin
52 - - Paul Curtis

ROUND 4

53 - - Lochlan Paton
54 - - Miller Bergman
55 - - Charlie Dean
56 - - Morgan Ferres
57 - - Youseff Dib
58 - - Hugh Jackson
59 - - Jahmal Stretch
60 - - Kade Dittmar

ROUND 5

61 - - Josh Browne
62 - - Blake Schlensog - if he is not snatched up before the draft they make sure no one can sign him up by taking him here

A few clubs with list spots available still so its off to the rookie draft and/or DFA with them and or they wait till preseason signings and/or mid season draft

You missed Brisbane’s third pick at 41, which ends up being pick 43 straight after Sydney. Will gladly take Same Banks off North. Cheers.

 

[Strapping Young Lad]

fair enough but who are they by the way, Worple has stagnated big time, but under sam maybe that will change, bramble and newcombe are hard at it tacklers and new and need time, saunders is still light and will need a lot more time and on top of that you got rid of cousins, and neither of those four aforementioned can get forward to kick goals. I would rate Ned Long alongside Roberts in their ability to get the ball and be smart with it, both can go forward and kick goals and with the swap i was suggesting it helped the hawks also get a very good small forward in terms of small forwards from this draft.

Worpel, Newcombe, Nash, Maginness.

I just can’t see us trading out 26 for picks in the 30’s.

 

[Smythe]

You missed Brisbane’s third pick at 41, which ends up being pick 43 straight after Sydney. Will gladly take Same Banks off North. Cheers.

no, it was traded

 

[Harry O]

i dont make it up to teams i have just been giving pick swap ideas, and i definitely did not make them to get players where 'I' want them, as you suggested last pick swap draft
But yeah this one turned out ok for the saints, and also with that swap with Brisbane it gave the Lions points to help for next years bid matching process they will endure by getting rid of picks they were not going to use this year anyway

No pick swapping by Collingwood despite what Hine said to Twomey?
Think they will try and back in around 25-35, but how high may depend on Daicos going at 3 or 4

 

[FrogDude]

FINAL PHANTOM WITH PICK SWAP IDEAS, BUT ITS ALSO A FULL DRAFT PHANTOM

I think after a quick double check i have all the picks correct

ROUND 1
1 - - Jason Horne Francis
Hawks trade 5 with future 1st and 2nd to GWS for 2, future 1st and 2nd
2 - - Nick Daicos - Hawks bid - Coll match
3 - - Finn Callaghan
4 - - Josh Gibcus
5 - - Josh Rachele
Wb trade 24 and future 2nd to Port for Future 1st
6 - - Sam Darcy - GWS bid - Wb match
7 - - Mac Andrew
8 - - Jye Amiss - Freo take Amiss here to make sure Rich dont
9 - - Ben Hobbs
10 - - Niel Erasmus
11 - - Josh Ward
12 - - Matt Johnson
13 - - Arlo Draper
14 - - Josh Sinn
15 - - Josh Goater
16 - - Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera
Ess trade future 1st and 3rd to Rich for 17 and future 2nd to grab a big inside mid
17 - - Mitch Knevitt
18 - - Sam Butler
Wb trade back in giving Melb Ports future 1st for 19 and a future 4th to sneak in and get a small lively fwd
19 - - Jesse Motlop
20 - - Leek Alleer - i have them going for Leek here as he has come on in literal leaps and bounds this year, is more gifted athletically than JVR and Bazzo is a very resilient kid and bigger bodied than both

ROUND 2

21 - - Darcy Wilmot
22 - - Jacob Van Rooyen
23 - - Tyler Sonsie
24 - - Tom Brown
25 - - Campbell Chesser
Geel trade 32 and 34 to Hawks for 26
26 - - Zac Taylor
27 - - Judson Clarke
28 - - Josh Fahey - Rich bid - GWS match
29 - - Blake Howes
30 - - Mitch Owens - Rich bid - Stk match
31 - - Rhett Bazzo
32 - - Cooper Murley
33 - - Matty Roberts
34 - - Ned Long
35 - - Cooper Macdonald
36 - - Lachlan Rankin
37 - - Toby Conway
Stk trade future 3rd and both future 4ths to bris for 45 and 64
38 - - Marcus Windhager - Geel bid - Stk match
39 - - Kai Lohmann
40 - - Angus Sheldrick
41 - - Brady Hough

ROUND 3

42 - - Corey Warner
43 - - Oscar Adams
44 - - Sam Banks
45 - - Jamieson Ballantyne
46 - - Lewis Rayson
47 - - Jase Burgoyne - Ess bid - Port match
48 - - Ronald Fejo Jnr
49 - - Jack Williams
50 - - Harvey Harrison
51 - - Taj Woewodin
52 - - Paul Curtis

ROUND 4

53 - - Lochlan Paton
54 - - Miller Bergman
55 - - Charlie Dean
56 - - Morgan Ferres
57 - - Youseff Dib
58 - - Hugh Jackson
59 - - Jahmal Stretch
60 - - Kade Dittmar

ROUND 5

61 - - Josh Browne
62 - - Blake Schlensog - if he is not snatched up before the draft they make sure no one can sign him up by taking him here

A few clubs with list spots available still so its off to the rookie draft and/or DFA with them and or they wait till preseason signings and/or mid season draft

I'm not a huge draft expert but would the bulldogs still have their pick (19) after matching the bid for Darcy? I thought the match was from their next pick on for points, though I'm not certain.

Could someone help with that? Thanks

 

[Smythe]

Worpel, Newcombe, Nash, Maginness.

I just can’t see us trading out 26 for picks in the 30’s.

fair enough

 

[weltschmerz]

I'm not a huge draft expert but would the bulldogs still have their pick (19) after matching the bid for Darcy? I thought the match was from their next pick on for points, though I'm not certain.

Could someone help with that? Thanks

Traded it in.

 

[Smythe]

No pick swapping by Collingwood despite what Hine said to Twomey?
Think they will try and back in around 25-35, but how high may depend on Daicos going at 3 or 4

yeah i thought about it but also couldn't find anyone they would get a trade over the line with and what for, so no i didn't trade anything for collingwood

 

[Smythe]

I'm not a huge draft expert but would the bulldogs still have their pick (19) after matching the bid for Darcy? I thought the match was from their next pick on for points, though I'm not certain.

Could someone help with that? Thanks

they don't have one, but traded back in for it

 

[Smythe]

I'm not a huge draft expert but would the bulldogs still have their pick (19) after matching the bid for Darcy? I thought the match was from their next pick on for points, though I'm not certain.

Could someone help with that? Thanks

the bids and trades are typed in the draft but maybe i will make them bold and italic so they can been seen clearer

 

[briztoon]

no, it was traded

Now I see the trade.

Very underwhelmed by this “draft” for Brisbane.

Edit: we still have to make a third selection at the national draft under afl rules.

 

[briztoon]

Also, we can’t take pick 64 to the draft, as we don’t have a corresponding list spot.

We either have to trade it before the cut off date a week before the draft, or we lose it at the list lodgement date before the draft.

 

[weltschmerz]

Edit: we still have to make a third selection at the national draft under afl rules.

Take Josh Cripps at the end

 

[joydivision22]

I’ll probably cry a little if Ward gets to us.

Difficult to imagine a world where Freo would take Wilmot over JVR..?

 

[raffrox]

FINAL PHANTOM WITH PICK SWAP IDEAS, BUT ITS ALSO A FULL DRAFT PHANTOM

I think after a quick double check i have all the picks correct

ROUND 1
1 - - Jason Horne Francis
Hawks trade 5 with future 1st and 2nd to GWS for 2, future 1st and 2nd
2 - - Nick Daicos - Hawks bid - Coll match
3 - - Finn Callaghan
4 - - Josh Gibcus
5 - - Josh Rachele
Wb trade 24 and future 2nd to Port for Future 1st
6 - - Sam Darcy - GWS bid - Wb match
7 - - Mac Andrew
8 - - Jye Amiss - Freo take Amiss here to make sure Rich dont
9 - - Ben Hobbs
10 - - Niel Erasmus
11 - - Josh Ward
12 - - Matt Johnson
13 - - Arlo Draper
14 - - Josh Sinn
15 - - Josh Goater
16 - - Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera
Ess trade future 1st and 3rd to Rich for 17 and future 2nd to grab a big inside mid
17 - - Mitch Knevitt
18 - - Sam Butler
Wb trade back in giving Melb Ports future 1st for 19 and a future 4th to sneak in and get a small lively fwd
19 - - Jesse Motlop
20 - - Leek Alleer - i have them going for Leek here as he has come on in literal leaps and bounds this year, is more gifted athletically than JVR and Bazzo is a very resilient kid and bigger bodied than both

ROUND 2

21 - - Darcy Wilmot
22 - - Jacob Van Rooyen
23 - - Tyler Sonsie
24 - - Tom Brown
25 - - Campbell Chesser
Geel trade 32 and 34 to Hawks for 26
26 - - Zac Taylor
27 - - Judson Clarke
28 - - Josh Fahey - Rich bid - GWS match
29 - - Blake Howes
30 - - Mitch Owens - Rich bid - Stk match
31 - - Rhett Bazzo
32 - - Cooper Murley
33 - - Matty Roberts
34 - - Ned Long
35 - - Cooper Macdonald
36 - - Lachlan Rankin
37 - - Toby Conway
Stk trade future 3rd and both future 4ths to bris for 45 and 64
38 - - Marcus Windhager - Geel bid - Stk match
39 - - Kai Lohmann
40 - - Angus Sheldrick
41 - - Brady Hough

ROUND 3

42 - - Corey Warner
43 - - Oscar Adams
44 - - Sam Banks
45 - - Jamieson Ballantyne
46 - - Lewis Rayson
47 - - Jase Burgoyne - Ess bid - Port match
48 - - Ronald Fejo Jnr
49 - - Jack Williams
50 - - Harvey Harrison
51 - - Taj Woewodin
52 - - Paul Curtis

ROUND 4

53 - - Lochlan Paton
54 - - Miller Bergman
55 - - Charlie Dean
56 - - Morgan Ferres
57 - - Youseff Dib
58 - - Hugh Jackson
59 - - Jahmal Stretch
60 - - Kade Dittmar

ROUND 5

61 - - Josh Browne
62 - - Blake Schlensog - if he is not snatched up before the draft they make sure no one can sign him up by taking him here

A few clubs with list spots available still so its off to the rookie draft and/or DFA with them and or they wait till preseason signings and/or mid season draft

Love your work but just have to say that it's a running joke that Freo will draft a half back flanker from Vic Metro. Really hoping we actually wouldn't do that though.

 

[Bulldogs85]

FINAL PHANTOM WITH PICK SWAP IDEAS, BUT ITS ALSO A FULL DRAFT PHANTOM

I think after a quick double check i have all the picks correct

ROUND 1
1 - - Jason Horne Francis
Hawks trade 5 with future 1st and 2nd to GWS for 2, future 1st and 2nd
2 - - Nick Daicos - Hawks bid - Coll match
3 - - Finn Callaghan
4 - - Josh Gibcus
5 - - Josh Rachele
Wb trade 24 and future 2nd to Port for Future 1st
6 - - Sam Darcy - GWS bid - Wb match
7 - - Mac Andrew
8 - - Jye Amiss - Freo take Amiss here to make sure Rich dont
9 - - Ben Hobbs
10 - - Niel Erasmus
11 - - Josh Ward
12 - - Matt Johnson
13 - - Arlo Draper
14 - - Josh Sinn
15 - - Josh Goater
16 - - Nasaiah Wanganeen-Milera
Ess trade future 1st and 3rd to Rich for 17 and future 2nd to grab a big inside mid
17 - - Mitch Knevitt
18 - - Sam Butler
Wb trade back in giving Melb Ports future 1st for 19 and a future 4th to sneak in and get a small lively fwd
19 - - Jesse Motlop
20 - - Leek Alleer - i have them going for Leek here as he has come on in literal leaps and bounds this year, is more gifted athletically than JVR and Bazzo is a very resilient kid and bigger bodied than both

ROUND 2

21 - - Darcy Wilmot
22 - - Jacob Van Rooyen
23 - - Tyler Sonsie
24 - - Tom Brown
25 - - Campbell Chesser
Geel trade 32 and 34 to Hawks for 26
26 - - Zac Taylor
27 - - Judson Clarke
28 - - Josh Fahey - Rich bid - GWS match
29 - - Blake Howes
30 - - Mitch Owens - Rich bid - Stk match
31 - - Rhett Bazzo
32 - - Cooper Murley
33 - - Matty Roberts
34 - - Ned Long
35 - - Cooper Macdonald
36 - - Lachlan Rankin
37 - - Toby Conway
Stk trade future 3rd and both future 4ths to bris for 45 and 64
38 - - Marcus Windhager - Geel bid - Stk match
39 - - Kai Lohmann
40 - - Angus Sheldrick
41 - - Brady Hough

ROUND 3

42 - - Corey Warner
43 - - Oscar Adams
44 - - Sam Banks
45 - - Jamieson Ballantyne
46 - - Lewis Rayson
47 - - Jase Burgoyne - Ess bid - Port match
48 - - Ronald Fejo Jnr
49 - - Jack Williams
50 - - Harvey Harrison
51 - - Taj Woewodin
52 - - Paul Curtis

ROUND 4

53 - - Lochlan Paton
54 - - Miller Bergman
55 - - Charlie Dean
56 - - Morgan Ferres
57 - - Youseff Dib
58 - - Hugh Jackson
59 - - Jahmal Stretch
60 - - Kade Dittmar

ROUND 5

61 - - Josh Browne
62 - - Blake Schlensog - if he is not snatched up before the draft they make sure no one can sign him up by taking him here

A few clubs with list spots available still so its off to the rookie draft and/or DFA with them and or they wait till preseason signings and/or mid season draft

I would be over the moon if we got Darcy, Motlop and Schlensog

 

[GUMBLETRON]

Also, we can’t take pick 64 to the draft, as we don’t have a corresponding list spot.

We either have to trade it before the cut off date a week before the draft, or we lose it at the list lodgement date before the draft.

I have a vague idea picks become dormant if you don't have sufficient list spots, but reactivate in their original spot if you use picks ahead of them to trade/match bids. I might be wrong.

 

[Mego Red]

I'd vomit if that's the draft the Crows walk away with.

 

[briztoon]

I have a vague idea picks become dormant if you don't have sufficient list spots, but reactivate in their original spot if you use picks ahead of them to trade/match bids. I might be wrong.

That used to be the rule for last year only, but we reverted back to the 2019 rules, so clubs lose those picks at the list lodgement date, when pick trading ends, a week out from the draft.

 

[GUMBLETRON]

That used to be the rule for last year only, but we reverted back to the 2019 rules, so clubs lose those picks at the list lodgement date, when pick trading ends, a week out from the draft.

Ta - I don't suppose you have that in writing? Not doubting, just curious how it's framed.

 

[theGav56]

I’ll probably cry a little if Ward gets to us.

Difficult to imagine a world where Freo would take Wilmot over JVR..?

I like Wilmot, but unless we are confident he can play wing/midfield I agree with you.

 

[WilloTree]

I like Wilmot, but unless we are confident he can play wing/midfield I agree with you.

If it's wing/mid they're picking at 21, Sonsie and Chesser are still there. Wilmont makes no sense.

Also, DIb isn't an upgrade on Western - and Western struggles to get a game.

 

[Significant]

That used to be the rule for last year only, but we reverted back to the 2019 rules, so clubs lose those picks at the list lodgement date, when pick trading ends, a week out from the draft.

Doesn't sound right to me - in draft trading has to be considered - wouldn't make sense for clubs to have picks locked in and then just not be able to draft someone if they saw an opportunity to trade out picks, they should just fall back to the end of the draft. Clubs need to make as many picks as they want in the draft to fill their 36-38 or whatever it is on the senior list (including leaving spots open for SPP if they wish).