So How Dangerous is COVID Really?

[Chief]

I don't know anything about it right now. Haven't been looking recently. Couple of vids in my YouTube subs page that I have been scrolling past.

WHO said to never lockdown

Did they? Where?

I'm only asking about all this because you're making some claims that clash with what I recall or what seems normal. I don't recall anyone saying that the WHO said never lock down in a pandemic.

 

[adogsfan5]

I don't know anything about it right now. Haven't been looking recently. Couple of vids in my YouTube subs page that I have been scrolling past.


Did they? Where?

I'm only asking about all this because you're making some claims that clash with what I recall or what seems normal. I don't recall anyone saying that the WHO said never lock down in a pandemic.

Back in 2020 they said they are not sustainable options and that they need to be used in limited durations.

In saying that, David Nabarro from the WHO said lockdowns should not be the main defence and was against the covid zero response.

Mixed messaging all round really.

 

[Profop]

Whats money got to do with health or science? Its a big goal post move to care about this now when it was a non issue 18 months ago. Fcts and stats dont lie. The stats are clear. We have record deaths. Why is money more important then life today when it wasnt 18 months ago?

Vaccine or no vaccine it wont change the record death totals we are having so im not sure if thats in this conversation in any way which I pointed out before. Its a irrelevant word when people are dieing in record levels. Is it a case that the record high death totals is a acceptable level of death perhaps?

I mean it’s disappointing but these levels of death are likely what life is going to be like now with this virus circulating

We had lockdowns so we could manage the onset of the virus and have time to build the vaccines

Now we have effective vaccines the fact is people are going to be dying from COVID in the same way people die from heart disease, pneumonia and countless other afflictions

WHO didn’t want to advocate lockdowns because third world countries could never have sustained it and WHO needs to look at a whole world view

 

[Chief]

Back in 2020 they said they are not sustainable options and that they need to be used in limited durations.

In saying that, David Nabarro from the WHO said lockdowns should not be the main defence and was against the covid zero response.

Mixed messaging all round really.

In what way did we sign up to this?

I don't think much about it, but I've never heard that we had any formal treaty or other obligations to always follow WHO guidelines.

 

[adogsfan5]

In what way did we sign up to this?

I don't think much about it, but I've never heard that we had any formal treaty or other obligations to always follow WHO guidelines.

We haven’t, and I’m not saying we have or should listen to the WHO, was purely just responding to a question of yours regarding their thoughts on lockdowns - but I believe we will be signing the new pandemic treaty, aren’t we?

 

[Chief]

We haven’t, and I’m not saying we have or should listen to the WHO,

That's in the post I was responding to.

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

I mean it’s disappointing but these levels of death are likely what life is going to be like now with this virus circulating

We had lockdowns so we could manage the onset of the virus and have time to build the vaccines

Now we have effective vaccines the fact is people are going to be dying from COVID in the same way people die from heart disease, pneumonia and countless other afflictions

WHO didn’t want to advocate lockdowns because third world countries could never have sustained it and WHO needs to look at a whole world view

Its disappointing?

We have 15+% excess mortality. Thats unheard of figures. Its beyond disappointment. Its what people feared in 2020 happening in real time, with the difference being now we accept its reality when before we didnt

 

[FIGJAM]

Its disappointing?

We have 15+% excess mortality. Thats unheard of figures. Its beyond disappointment. Its what people feared in 2020 happening in real time, with the difference being now we accept its reality when before we didnt

What we feared was way more than the current 16% above average mortality rate; what we feared were the mass graves built in some of the world's wealthiest cities and we ain't anywhere near that.

The 16% above average mortality rate excludes 2020 when mortality rates fell through the floor, so there are some post lockdown numbers coming through. If you look at the longer term trend, we've done particularly well in managing this pandemic. It simply isn't the bloodbath that you paint.

 

[adogsfan5]

What we feared was way more than the current 16% above average mortality rate; what we feared were the mass graves built in some of the world's wealthiest cities and we ain't anywhere near that.

The 16% above average mortality rate excludes 2020 when mortality rates fell through the floor, so there are some post lockdown numbers coming through. If you look at the longer term trend, we've done particularly well in managing this pandemic. It simply isn't the bloodbath that you paint.

People are dropping dead on the streets in Australia according to that poster.

 

[Profop]

Its disappointing?

We have 15+% excess mortality. Thats unheard of figures. Its beyond disappointment. Its what people feared in 2020 happening in real time, with the difference being now we accept its reality when before we didnt

The fear was a 2-5% death rate for everyone that caught it and the health system completely breaking down

 

[GoEaglesGoSGIO]

People are dropping dead on the streets in Australia according to that poster.

Are you living under a rock

Provisional Mortality Statistics, Jan - Sep 2022

Provisional deaths data for measuring changes in patterns of mortality

www.abs.gov.au

17 percent excess mortality over the last 15 years and something like 25-30 percent increase since March 2020. We are constantly seeing sudden deaths reported in the news and the numbers show it is happening too

 

[adogsfan5]

Are you living under a rock

Provisional Mortality Statistics, Jan - Sep 2022

Provisional deaths data for measuring changes in patterns of mortality

www.abs.gov.au

17 percent excess mortality over the last 15 years and something like 25-30 percent increase since March 2020. We are constantly seeing sudden deaths reported in the news and the numbers show it is happening too

So you chuck up a few figures and that equates to Australians are dying in the streets? You’re making us sound like a third world country… cancer, dementia, respiratory diseases and heart disease are the leading causes of death in 2022 between January and September.

Do you want to lockdown the country to prevent these causes of death?

 

[Over The Post]

Incoming wave of new strains heading here. Cool.

 

[Rob R]

Incoming wave of new strains heading here. Cool.

According to some Chinese friends, 20m plus cases and 50k plus deaths a day mostly in the elderly who have been abandoned to their fate by Xi. They had already told some rellies not to come here as just like in early 2020, the local Chinese community knew what was happening despite Xis lies and were already doing the right thing while our govt dithered around for fear of offending someone or impacting on trade.

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[FIGJAM]

So you chuck up a few figures and that equates to Australians are dying in the streets? You’re making us sound like a third world country… cancer, dementia, respiratory diseases and heart disease are the leading causes of death in 2022 between January and September.

Do you want to lockdown the country to prevent these causes of death?

The stats also show the clear recent convergence between the long term trend and the 2022 trend.

"All deaths minus Covid" were well above trend, which is to be expected when we were locked in cotton wool for most of 2020 and the Delta lockdown of 2021.

It makes for interesting reading and the conclusion should be that we have done, and are doing, very well.

 

[adogsfan5]

An interesting read for anyone interested.

 

[Purple7x08_24]

I had a quick flick through Twitter and the amount of misinformation is staggering. Lot of people are posting claims about this and that. People posting opinion pieces as scientific fact.

Someone posts an infographic about cases/deaths in 2020,2021, and 2022 and uses the end point of each year to highlight a gloomy outcome for 2023 despite the fact that they failed to look within each year of when cases peaked.

People still crying about other people not wearing masks in public and should be. I haven't spent time on Twitter for months but this is why I stopped. People are seriously obsessed with Covid.

Looking at a lot of posts and you can see how daft people are, believe everything they hear and see

I've always wondered the longer you avoid Covid, the more vulnerable you are when you do get it. Maybe this is China's problem RN

 

[Chief]

I've always wondered the longer you avoid Covid, the more vulnerable you are when you do get it.

Why are you so obsessed with Covid???

 

[Over The Post]

Perhaps it might have something to do with covid ******* the world for the past three years?

 

[Chief]

People are seriously obsessed with Covid.

Perhaps it might have something to do with covid ******* the world for the past three years?

 

[Purple7x08_24]

Why are you so obsessed with Covid???

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