So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pluto

[Daytripper]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

You don´t think there may have been some other reason for wanting Building 7 to collapse? I mean, I´m not about to get into a raging debate over 9/11, I´m sure it´s been done to death on this board already. I´m just saying that your reasons for dismissing such an idea are somewhat flimsy...

What other reason ?
I mean you just listed a whole group of merchant bankers as if that explains everything away. Are they part of the evil web as well ?

How many people do you think would be needed to demolish an entire building in the middle of New York ?
Who are they ?
Where are they now ?

 

[bit_pattern]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

What other reason ?
I mean you just listed a whole group of merchant bankers as if that explains everything away. Are they part of the evil web as well ?

How many people do you think would be needed to demolish an entire building in the middle of New York ?
Who are they ?
Where are they now ?

You´re right, my ëvidence¨was pretty poor - but I really can´t be arsed getting too far into this debate, I´m sorry to have brought it up. All I´ll say is that a lack of evidence isn´t proof of anything but, at the same time, neither is an absence of evidence.

 

[Daytripper]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Errrr.....then why wouldn't Rumsfeld have just kept his mouth shut??

In 9/11 CTs, the government are as slick as The Batman...except for when it suits the argument, then they are dopey public servants again!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2006/09/the_911_pentagon_conspiracy_th.html

It seems that the day before, Monday September 10th, Donald Rumsfeld announced that the DoD had lost track of $2.6 trillion in appropriations, and that he intended to find out where it had gone. But then, the next day....

So obviously, as the Chair 'surmises', the entire conspiracy was carried out to kill the accounting team trying to track down that money. They were the targets, the sole reason the Pentagon was attacked. He's almost certain it happened that way.

Except that when I checked the story, to see if I could find anything at all that wasn't sourced from Portland Indymedia, the first item in the queue was this: a CBS interview with Jack Minnerty, the accountant who blew the whistle on the DoD losses. An interview made in February 2002, nearly six months after 9/11.

Now how can this be? How can this man, the supposed prime target of the greatest conspiracy ever carried out this country, be out walking around, much less giving interviews to an alphabet network? How could they have missed him? Was he out getting coffee?
It's at points like this that you realize that the conspiracy impulse, the force that drives these people, cannot be countered by rational means. A conspiracy in which the whistleblower is killed is one thing. A conspiracy in which hundreds of others are killed, and the intended victim continues blithely on as if it had nothing at all to do with him.... There's no rational explanation for that. And there's no point in asking the Professor, the Colonel, or the staff of Portland Indymedia about it. They'll just start telling you about a screw that was found on the sidewalk in front of the Pentagon, that was used only in a single model of the Stearman 43 Biplane, made in one particular plant in 1938, and that proves....

(So why bother? Why put in the time and effort to refute all this? As a form of prophylaxis, in the hope that at least some of the gullible, naive, or ill—informed may encounter this critique before they're infected.)

 

[Corpuscles]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Errrr.....then why wouldn't Rumsfeld have just kept his mouth shut??

In 9/11 CTs, the government are as slick as The Batman...except for when it suits the argument, then they are dopey public servants again!

Come on you are smarter than that Figgy!

Without discrediting your insinuation, answer is who knows why????

but by way of comment:

When Pres and Vice Pres refuse to give testimony under oath to and official but sham limited Commission enquiry. Then it doesn't matter what went on before the event, so long as it is conveniently buried in beaurocratic red tape and behind the scenes closed door power manipulation!

Suddenly USA under attack and almost immediately embarking on a premeditated war pacified the public that however "they" spend defence funds is OK so long as they keep us safe!!

No one knows what how and whom (least of all perhaps me) but apparently 19 idiots were able to do it.... why would you look for anymore to achieve the same result to achieve other alt objectives, when thats the official story and that's that!!!

 

[Niximus]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

No one knows what how and whom (least of all perhaps me) but apparently 19 idiots were able to do it.... why would you look for anymore to achieve the same result to achieve other alt objectives, when thats the official story and that's that!!!

hijacking a few planes and flying them into buildings is not as difficult a task as arranging the staging of plane hijackings, rigging a building in the middle of a city to explode, unnoticed, keeping everyone involved in it all silent.

 

[FIGJAM]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Come on you are smarter than that Figgy!

Not really.

Without discrediting your insinuation, answer is who knows why????

As with all CTs though, there is an explanation as seen in Daytripper's post.

What most people don't understand yet, is the ease in which "evidence" can be fitted to suit a predetermined point of view.

 

[Corpuscles]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Not really.


As with all CTs though, there is an explanation as seen in Daytripper's post.

What most people don't understand yet, is the ease in which "evidence" can be fitted to suit a predetermined point of view.

See that was smart!

Absolutely! eg Very rarely but sometimes I visit US forums and it would seem to me that there is a whole cult of CT'ists that believe Aliens ET's are controlling their govt!!!... even have pet names for the different species

NOT one bit of evidence or fact just suppositon and "connecting vague dots"

But a real event that happened before our eyes , that was so critical, was not sufficiently thoroughly openly investigated with mountains of inconsistencies..... leaves us all in a position of having insufficient fact or answers, to draw absolute conclusive opinion!

 

[Bretski]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

I think everyone to an extent wants to believe in conspiracy theories here and there, just like we want to believe in Santa, because the idea of knowing something, and the challenge to find the truth is ever so tantilising. But the majority of us have a rational mind which tells us otherwise.

 

[evo]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Now look what you've gone and done Chief.

 

[fairdinkum]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

I wonder why on earth they would think that???

I set 'em up, you knock 'em down.

 

[Richo83]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

At first I wondered where that insult and you came from as you aren't a poster of any significance. Then I realised that I must have 'carved' you up on another thread, so I looked back and found this comment I made to you in response to one of your infantile slurs:

"You lost your argument right there. With that ignorant and childish remark".

Now I can say that you are not only forgettable but also unoriginal.

What? Didn't you hear me the first time child?

 

[Richo83]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Now look what you've gone and done Chief.

Eh, it's not so bad, this thread feeds my theory that if we set up a massive conspiracy convention attracting all the Ruanaidhes and jumpingjimmys of this world, hopefully we could group them all together and ship them off to a far away island. With no connection to the rest of the world. At all. It'd certainly improve the gene pool, if not the IQ standard.

 

[Ruanaidh]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Eh, it's not so bad, this thread feeds my theory that if we set up a massive conspiracy convention attracting all the Ruanaidhes and jumpingjimmys of this world, hopefully we could group them all together and ship them off to a far away island. With no connection to the rest of the world. At all. It'd certainly improve the gene pool, if not the IQ standard.

I've cut you to the quick haven't I? The wound will remain un-sealed I'm afraid as from now on you will be ignored.

 

[bit_pattern]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Yeah, I have no idea why anyone would think there is a conspiracy surrounding the events of 9/11...

Government scientist accused of masterminding 2001 anthrax mailings dies in apparent suicide


Little more than a month after the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist strikes, the nation was shaken by a new wave of attacks. Five people died--and 17 more people were sickened by--anthrax (an acute infectious disease caused by the spore-forming bacterium) sent to unwitting residents, reporters and government officials. Nearly seven years later, a microbiologist has died of an apparent drug overdose as prosecutors prepared to charge him in connection with the mailings.

Bruce Ivins, 62, who for the past 18 years worked at the U.S. Army Medical Research Institute of Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID), a federal biodefense research laboratory Fort Detrick in Maryland, died Tuesday at Frederick Memorial Hospital after ingesting massive amounts of prescription Tylenol with codeine. The Washington Post reports that the feds had alerted him that they planned to charge him with bioterrorism and were considering whether to seek the death penalty in the event of a conviction.

Ivins's death comes about a month after the feds forked over $5.82 million to scientist Steven Hatfill, 54, who worked with Ivins at Fort Detrick, to settle a lawsuit that he filed against former Attorney General John Ashcroft and other Justice Department officials for publicly naming him as a "person of interest" in their anthrax investigation, according to the Los Angeles Times.

http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=government-scientist-accused-of-mas-2008-08-01&print=true

The ´apparent´suicide is a nice touch, you can´t try a dead body in an open court...

 

[Hawkamania!]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

The 9/11 conspiracy is all a lie. How can anyone take it so seriously? The US pollies are all trustworthy and have done their best for their people, just like our pollies do for us.

http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/fiveisraelis.html

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[Ruanaidh]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Go back to sleep, nothing to see here:

Zionist terror 1946 to 2001
By Jerry Mazza
Online Journal Associate Editor


Jun 9, 2008, 00:23

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Why would we think that some portion of the Jewish people would not end as hardened by history as their oppressors? After all, they were a people who had been chased, derided, expelled through the centuries from country to country, only to land in the horrors of Nazi Germany, the camps, the ovens, the first industrial-strength genocide.
In fact, as various Jews landed in the 1930s and '40s as refugees in Palestine, and while the Holocaust was in full bloom, sure enough the intensely Zionist Irgun, Stern Gang and Haganah terrorist gangs emerged there as well. In 1946, two years before the partitioning, as Israel was being birthed from Palestine, the Zionist terror bombing of the King David Hotel shook the Middle East. The brutal bombing was ordered by no less than Menachem Begin, who led the Irgun, and who one day would be Israel’s Prime Minister.
The base of the British Secretariat and military command was shaken to the ground by that terror bombing and some 92 people killed in the explosion of the King David Hotel. The bombing was in response to British Operation Agatha and the Black Sabbath of June 29, 1946, in which 17,000 British soldiers confiscated both weapons and intelligence documents during the arrest of thousands of leaders of Yishuv and Haganah activists.
At King David headquarters, the documents revealed Yishuv’s operational plans, incriminating the agency in the leadership of the United Resistance, as well as the IZL and the Lehi, all focused against British operations.
Some 25 fighters took part in the planning of the hotel operations. Seven Irgun and Haganah terrorists were disguised as Arab laborers delivering milk and planted seven large milk cans, actually demolition bombs, beside structural support columns in the basement of the King David Hotel. Some were fitted with timers to explode as second responders would be arriving.
One could say the King David Hotel attack was a false-flag operation reminiscent of the Oklahoma bombing, the first World Trade Center basement bombing and even the second WTC bombing. We now know there were massive explosions in the basements of Towers One and Two, as well as at the tops of the Towers, with charges on the floors between cutting away support columns so that the buildings would free-fall in a matter of 10 seconds, at the speed of gravity.
Tower Seven, across a narrow street from Tower One was not hit by any plane at all. It suffered some damage and fire from falling debris. Yet at 3:30 on the afternoon of 9/11, owner Larry Silverstein, a dual Israeli/American citizen, said that Tower Seven would be pulled. Sure enough an hour and a half later, Tower Seven went down in a classic, planned internal demolition into its own footprint in six seconds, an act that had to take weeks or months to prepare, not ninety minutes. Mr. Silverstein, also the lease holder of the WTC, made a handy $500 million dollar profit on the loss of Tower Seven.
His legendary financial return from the WTC insurance, which award he had raised to $3.5 billion two months before the attack, included the prescient possibility of the Towers being hit by terrorist-hijacked airliners. His reward was finally resolved at $4.56 billion, after he asked $7 billion, claiming that each Tower’s fall should be regarded as a separate event. Today, Silverstein wants $12.3 billion more for other claimed losses. Silverstein’s best-known partner is former Israeli Commando Frank Lowey, who controlled the retail space of the WTC.
Despite the destructive explosions, the focus of the attacks was placed on 19 purported Islamic (15 Saudi) terrorists, non-pilots, imagine, said to have learned at Florida flight schools to pilot AA Flight 11 and UA Flight 175’s 767s into Towers One and Two respectively. The open-air fires on that cool fall day supposedly melted the redundant steel frames, which then took down with them the hundreds of thousands of pounds of concrete that constituted each core of each tower. This scenario has proven impossible to believe by numerous scientists, engineers, architects, intelligence service, law enforcement, pilots and military men.
The hijackers also purportedly commandeered two 757s, first AA Flight 77 that supposedly hit the Pentagon; yet where no fuselage, bodies, baggage or engines from that craft were found.
The other 757, UA Flight 93, 45 minutes late in getting off from Newark, and having missed the central action, headed west towards Cleveland then turned back, only to be shot out of the air over rural Pennsylvania by two F-15’s and one F-16, recently reconfirmed by reporter Wayne Madsen from sources at the National Security Agency (NSA). He related the above on April 20, 2008 at waynemadsenreport.com, adding that F-93 scattered its wreckage from the air over an eight-mile radius. Paul Thompson had previously arrived at the same findings, based on massive interviews of area citizens, recorded in his 9/11 Terror Timeline.
The hijackers orders were said to come solely from a Saudi billionaire’s son, Osama bin Laden, whose family was very friendly with the Bush family, a Carlyle Group client of George H.W. Bush. Mr. Bin Laden the younger supposedly guided the incredibly intricate operation from an Afghanistan cave, via laptop, and with a kidney dialysis machine to keep him alive.
Could this possibly have been another false flag operation, in which Arabs took the fall for Zionists? For really who in fact experienced the terror in each incident: Westerners and Arabs. US citizens were first terrorized by the events and aftermath. The Arab and Muslim worlds were terrorized for 9/11 by a brutal “War on Terror” initiated only days later by George W. Bush and his neocon administration. This without investigation, yet backed by their staunch allies in the Middle East, the Israelis, who suffered naught from the incident.
In fact, five Israelis were caught dancing and videotaping themselves in Liberty State Park across the Hudson River, with the falling towers as their backdrop. Their chutzpah almost obviates the need to ask cui bono, who profited most from this disaster. Click the link to follow the bizarre story of their arrest, their plot to bomb New York bridges and tunnels, their subsequent arrest by the FBI.
The website whatreallyhappened linked above also reports, “The Jewish weekly The Forward reported that the FBI finally concluded that at least two of the detained Israelis were agents working for the Mossad, the Israeli intelligence agency, and that Urban Moving Systems, the ostensible employer of the five Israelis, was a front operation. This was confirmed by two former CIA officers, and they noted that movers' vans are a common intelligence cover. (23). The Israelis were held in custody for 71 days before being quietly released. (24)”
Returning to 1946
As a result of the King David Hotel terror bombing by Zionists, the British gave up their Mandate (control) over Palestine, opening the way for Israeli dominance over the largely rural Palestinians. The false flag operations worked like a charm. What’s more, more acts of terror would continue against the US and other Western powers. If you’re thinking could it really be possible that Israel, our “ally” played a key role in the brutal attack on America on 2001, read the balance of the information here and make up your own mind.
Ehud Olmert, who would go on become the Likud Party President of Israel was present in New York City on the night of September 10, 2001. This was reported by 9/11 writer Christopher Bollyn. Olmert’s comrade that evening was Mayor Rudy Giuliani. Yet this was not mentioned in the US press, only the Israeli and foreign press. Could Olmert possibly be tied to the events, or was it just coincidence?
The Lavon Affair
Returning to the Irgun terror organization, author Howard M. Sachar describes it in his book, A History of Israel from the Rise of Zionism to Our Time, as the “armed expression of Revisionist Zion.” One of its founders, Vladimir Jabotinsky, wrote that “every Jew has the right to enter Palestine; only active retaliation [terrorism] would deter the Arabs and the British; only Jewish armed force would ensure the Jewish state.” That doesn’t leave much wiggle room for discussion.
Thus, eight years after the King David Hotel bombing, in the summer of 1954, Israel pursued a series of false-flag terror bombings against US and British libraries, theatres, and other government institutions in Egypt. This false flag campaign was designed to blame Egyptian groups and is referred to as the Lavon Affair after Pinhas Lavon, the Israeli defense minister at the time.
This failed covert op was also known as known as Operation Susannah. It included the use of bags containing acid placed over nitroglycerine. “The homemade bombs were inserted into books and put on library shelves just before closing time,” as Wiki reports. “Several hours later, as the acid ate through the bags, the bombs would explode. Read the Wiki piece for more details.
The USS Liberty bombing
In June 1967, some 13 years later, the Israeli Air Force and Navy methodically bombed, strafed, napalmed and torpedoed an unarmed U.S. ship, the USS Liberty, in the hope of killing all aboard, sinking the ship from sight, for their own purpose. Recently released NSA documents confirm Israel’s deliberate attack, knowing it was a US vessel. One hundred seventy-two crew members were wounded and 34 were killed, and the Battle Dressing Station was described as a “bloody scene reminiscent of the Civil War.” Writer Eric Margolis describes the brutal attack in this link if you wish to learn more . . .
The commander of the Israeli Force during the 1967 Six-Day War, as well as the USS Liberty, attack Major General Mordechai Hod who hailed from a kibbutz in Degania, also the home of Moshe Dayan, the defense minister under whom he served. In 1975, Hod went civilian, forming CAL, an Israel air cargo Company. He left after two years to be chief executive of El Al airlines, 1977-79. He founded a no-name security company in 1985. Then, from 1987 until retirement in 1993, he became chairman of Israel Aircraft Industries (IAI).
The no-name security firm turned out to be International Consultants on Targeted Security (ICTS), an Israeli airport passenger screening and security firm. Their website states that it was created in 1982 by a “select group of security experts, former military commanding officers and veterans of government intelligence and security agencies.” ICTS evolved out of El Al (the Israeli state airline) security; in 2001 it wholly owned Huntleigh USA, the firm that handled screening at Boston and Newark airports. The Mossad-backed firm most likely had personnel at all airports on 9/11.
Also, from the 1967 War, came Shimon Peres, today’s president of Israel. In 1965, Peres worked with former Prime Minister Ben Gurion, Moshe Dayan and other closest cohorts to break away from the seated labor party, Mapai, to form the minority faction, Rafi or Workers’ List. Peres also had full knowledge of who made the call to attack the USS Liberty in 1967. Again, the US went along with the cover-up of the deliberate attack and avoided blaming Israel for the slaughter of American servicemen.
By 1967, a Zionist Israel had firmed up its nuclear and military muscle to become the US’s hammer in the Mideast. Israel’s excesses against its neighbors continued as the US’s financial/military oil/love affair with the Saudis deepened, corrupting and being corrupted by the exchange of oil money for armaments and protections. From a religious view, “taking covenant with both of Abraham’s sons, Ishmael the Arab and Isaac the Jew,” must have angered Zionist Israel as it did Islam. Morally, Israel must have felt more and more capable of doing what it pleased to secure its growth and domination, most overtly over the Palestinian people and their land, and secondly towards the “wayward” West.
False Flag ops in 1982 in Lebanon and Syria
In their book, By Way Of Deception: The Making And Unmaking Of A Mossad Officer,Victor Ostrovsky and Claire Hoy tell us on pp. 322-5, “In 1982 Israel invaded Lebanon and President Reagan sent 1,800 marines to Beirut to act as peace keepers. Israel resented the interference and used the US presence to commit a false flag operation that killed 242 marines. The purpose was to align the US with Israel and create animosity toward the Arab world.
“June 6, 1982 -- Israel attacks Syria (destroying Syria’s air force and defense systems). Israel now invades Lebanon and massacres 30,000 civilians. The Jews surrounded Beirut and were on the verge of annihilating 75,000 more when a cease-fire was reached. Israel shells Beirut and destroys their rail and air transportation system.
“August, 1982 -- Reagan steps in and tells Arafat if he withdraws to Tunis, the US will protect their families. Reagan sends in 800 Marines to help evacuate the 14,000 PLO from Lebanon after which the marines leave. Two weeks after the marines leave, Ariel Sharon unleashes his fury on the PLO families. [They] are massacred. Israel sends in their Maronite Christian Lebanese militia and they kill 5,000 women and children in the Sabra and Shatila camps. . . .",
Similar events continue to February 26, 1984 when the US Marines leave Lebanon. Israel withdraws on June 1985, having continually drawn blame to Arabs by false flag techniques. Israel morphs from Europe’s victim to the Middle East’s and Europe’s victimizer -- the point again to frighten the West as well as the Mideast, including Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, Iraq, Iran and the Saudis. The most prominent architects of these actions include Shimon Peres, Benjamin Netanyahu, Menachem Begin, Ariel Sharon, and Ehud Olmert. They accomplished their Zionist plans with substantial help from the US government and other “friends” in America.
US friends of Israel
Political scientists, John Mearsheimer and Stephen Walt, co-authors of their contested book, The Israel Lobby and US Foreign Policy, have been severely critical of “the special relationship” Israel shares with the US government, which provides “unconditional support” in financial, military and political matters. They point out that members of the Israel lobby serve as a “loose coalition” of individuals and organizations that work openly to influence US Foreign policy in a pro-Israel direction and to encourage that “special relationship” between the US and Israel.
Walt added that “pro-Israel political action committees have given $55 million over the past 15 years to congressional candidates and presidential candidates, which he compared with the $800,000 that Arab-American political action committees gave to political figures sympathetic to Arab-American interests over the same period.” In citing these statistics, Walt stressed the Israel lobby's political clout.
In addition, the Jerusalem Post reports that Top White House posts go to Jews. These Jewish Americans have included Joshua Bolten, White House chief of staff, Bolten's deputy Joel Kaplan in charge of daily policy planning.
Bolten first served as head of the Office of Management and Budget. Apart from Bolten, those in the Bush administration who hold dual American and Israeli citizenship are Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff, Attorney General Michael Mukasey, Deputy National Security Adviser Elliott Abrams, White House staffer Jay Lefkowitz, among others. Previously, there was deputy Secretary of Defense Paul Wolfowitz, Undersecretary of Defense Doug Feith, Vice President Dick Cheney's now deposed Chief of Staff I. Lewis "Scooter" Libby and political adviser Ken Mehlman, who now heads the Republican National Committee. We can also include the now jailed influence peddler Jack Abramoff, whose rap sheet fills a Wiki article.
Additionally, the Special Master (strange title) of the 9/11 Victim’s Compensation Fund was Kenneth Feinberg, appointed by former Justice Department head, ultra-conservative Christian John Ashcroft. Feinberg selected dual US/Israel citizen and Judge Alvin Hellerstein as the sole judge to handle all of the victims’ cases against the airlines and security companies (most of which were Israeli owned) and against any potential government suits. To date, no victims' family has been able to sue the government, airlines or security companies. All have ended in cash hush-ups, with the exception of senior citizen Ellen Mariani, who has been pushed off her own case by her cash-hungry stepdaughter Lauren Peters. Mariani so far has been denied her day in court, perhaps forever.
Bush’s predecessor, Bill Clinton also had a number of prominent Jewish American cabinet members such as Robert Reich, Robert Rubin, Sandy Berger and Lawrence Summers;State Department officials Dennis Ross, Martin Indyk and Aaron Miller, and Jay Footlik, who was Clinton's liaison to the Jewish community. This seems like a very potent Jewish presence in the US government as well as in 9/11 affairs, considering there are only 6 million Jewish Americans, about 2.1% of the 265 million Americans. Here are more curiosities, mind you, not to preach prejudice but to assess impact and damage.
Israeli theft of US computer technology
In my article The PROMIS of 9/11 and beyond, I pointed out “PROMIS software (originally Prosecutor Management Intelligence System) appeared in the early 1980s. It was developed by a small Washington, DC, company, Inslaw Inc., and proved to be the perfect intelligence tool. Though designed for the Department of Justice to help prosecutors in case management, it hooked the attention of corrupt officials and Israeli intelligence. Subsequently stolen from Inslaw, the software was hacked and given a ‘trap door.’ This trojan gave it the power to retrieve info for the US and Israel from the very foreign intelligence services and banks it had been sold to in some 40 countries.
“The software helped the US win the Cold War against the Soviets, but also helped the Russian mafia, Saddam Hussein, Osama bin Laden & Company and any number of spies and crooks.
"In 1985, Mossad spy and British media tycoon Robert Maxwell, opened the ‘trap door’ secret to Chinese Military Intelligence (PLA-2), at the same time selling them a copy of PROMIS for $9 million, turning it against the US. Unfortunately, in the mid-90s PLA-2 hacked the databases of Los Alamos and Sandia laboratories to cop US nuclear secrets.
”The KGB also bought PROMIS from Maxwell, and also received the ‘back door trojan’ to plant in a tender part of the FBI. Yes there is no honor among thieves. We also provided PROMIS to Russia and China to backdoor their intelligence, figuring the 64 federal agencies they could expose did not outweigh the many other look-sees PROMIS provided the US.
“Actually, using the same PROMIS bought from Russia, Saddam and his regime shifted major money through the banking system. Some of these funds still feed Iraqi anti-coalition and resistance fighters.
“Unfortunately, when Maxwell tried to extort more money from the KGB to pay off his huge corporate debts, he ended up falling off the back of a yacht into the deep blue drink, stung by a hot shot needle, this with a little help from his friends . . ." Read the article for the full story.
And lastly, concerning Israeli involvement in US security . . .
Following Dov Zakheim and Pentagon trillions to Israel and 9/11
This link is my article from Online Journal, whose opening paragraphs state: “Think of this as part two of Recherche du trillions perdu, my Online Journal article on Dov Zakheim, former Bush appointee as Pentagon Comptroller from May 4, 2001 to March 10, 2004. At that time he was unable to explain the disappearance of $1 trillion dollars. Actually, nearly three years earlier, Donald Rumsfeld announced on September 10, 2001 that an audit discovered $2.3 trillion was also missing from the Pentagon books. That story, as I mentioned, was buried under 9-11’s rubble. The two sums disappeared on Zakheim’s watch.
“Yet on May 6, 2004, Zakheim took a lucrative position at Booz Allen Hamilton, one of the most prestigious strategy consulting firms in the world. One of its clients then was Blessed Relief, a charity said to be a front for Osama bin Laden. Booz, Allen & Hamilton then also worked closely with DARPA, the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency, which is the research arm of the Department of Defense. So the dark card was shifted to another part of the deck.
“Judicial Inc’s bio of Dov (linked below) tells us Zakheim was/is a dual Israeli/American citizen and an ordained rabbi and had been tracking the halls of US government for 25 years, casting defense policy and influence on Presidents Reagan, Clinton, Bush Sr. and Bush Jr. He is, as I described him earlier, the bionic Zionist. In fact, Judicial Inc points out that most of Israel’s armaments were gotten thanks to him. Squads of US F-16 and F-15 were classified military surplus and sold to Israel at a fraction of their value.
“Judicial Inc also points out that Israel, a country of 4.8 million Russian and Polish Jewish émigrés, flies on one of the biggest Air Forces in the world, thanks to Dov. Conflict of interest here? Depends on what you’re interested in. That is, in 2001 Dov was CEO of SPS International, part of System Planning Corporation, a defense contractor majoring in electronic warfare technologies, including remote-controlled aircraft systems, and the notorious Flight Termination System (FTS) technology that could hijack even a hijacked plane and land or crash it wherever.
“More from the resume: Wikipedia points out that Zakheim is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations and in 2000 a co-author of the Project for the New American Century’s position paper, Rebuilding America’s Defenses, advocating the necessity for a Pearl-Harbor-like incident to mobilize the country into war with its enemies, mostly Middle Eastern Muslim nations. . . ."
I would suggest you read the entire article about this dual Israeli/American citizen who had access to massive funds, highly sophisticated remote-control air technology and knowledge of Pentagon happenings to help plan and/or bring about the catastrophic event of 9/11 in league with the neocons, spoon-benders and elites. There are other Israeli candidates, from the security sector, plane transformation and maintenance business, et al, but let him serve as a start to honing in on Zionist terror in full circle, from 1946 to 2001.
Admittedly, it’s not a pretty picture or pleasant task to make these connections and allegations. But in the best interest of the United States, its people and future safety, they need to be presented to Americans for evaluation. It is their future, their nation, and perhaps the world’s safety at stake. Consider, too, will we continue to let our murky addiction to Middle Eastern oil drive us in this unholy alliance with Israel as with the Saudis. This while the slaughter of Palestinians rolls on and the balance of their land is swallowed. One wonders when “never again” will be a US imperative.
Jerry Mazza is a freelance writer living in New York. Reach him at gvmaz@verizon.net.
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Hardly a 'pleasant valley Sunday' environment yet some delude themselves that it is so.

 

[Chief]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Yeah, I have no idea why anyone would think there is a conspiracy surrounding the events of 9/11...



The ´apparent´suicide is a nice touch, you can´t try a dead body in an open court...

You're saying that it was claimed to be suicide so he must have been killed?

What about every time a Korean builder or flight controller kills himself after a collapse or plane crash? Are they murders too?

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

But a real event that happened before our eyes , that was so critical, was not sufficiently thoroughly openly investigated with mountains of inconsistencies..... leaves us all in a position of having insufficient fact or answers, to draw absolute conclusive opinion!

I don't know that it wasn't fully investigated. It is just that the subject of the investigation was not agreed upon.

If the official version is correct and AQ terrorists hijacked planes and flew them into buildings and other buildings fell down as a result, then that has been investigated. Terrorists were named and a chronological sequence of events established. Engineers submitted reports as to why this building and that building came down. All wrapped up with a nice bow.

Except ... the conspiracy theorists thought the bow was too nice, the investigation too convenient.

When people claim things were not investigated, they are generally claiming that little tidbits of information that might point to 9/11 not being a terrorist act but being a government lead conspiracy have not been investigated.

They want the government to spend time and money investigating themselves to see if they did it. Now if the government truly were not responsible and truly believed this was an AQ terrorist attack, would they be compelled to spend that time and money investigating something they believed to not be true to satisfy a group of conspiracy theorists and their ever expaning legion of followers? If they really did not do it, you would pay it some lip service, make a few token efforts, release some new information now and then, publish a few articles, but you wouldn't launch a multi million dollar investigation into finding the Easter Bunny.

If they did do it, seems they would be making a greater effort to prove they didn't do it ... or maaaaybeee, that's what they want me to think .... oh I am so confused.

Whenever anybody remotely tied to 9/11 dies, the government had them killed but other key players can wander around talking to people for years, before they meet their maker suspiciously after having told NOBODY their role in this conspiracy.

How many people are keeping this secret? How many infallible human beings without a shred of guilt, no loose lips, no death bed confessions, are required to keep this government secret?

 

[bit_pattern]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

You're saying that it was claimed to be suicide so he must have been killed?

What about every time a Korean builder or flight controller kills himself after a collapse or plane crash? Are they murders too?

I´m saying that there was obviously SOME conspiracy (whether that be by a SINGLE scientist at a governement run installation) to spread anthrax powder. The fact that he is dead means that the details will never come out in a public court case. Draw your own conclusions... Me, personally, I´d like to know what apparently motivated the good Dr. Was it a fanatical belief in Islam, or somethign else that motivated him to send anthrax powder to some of the highest offices in the land? I guess we´ll never know, now.

 

[bit_pattern]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

When people claim things were not investigated, they are generally claiming that little tidbits of information that might point to 9/11 not being a terrorist act but being a government lead conspiracy have not been investigated.

Tidbits? Such as the fact that all of the physical evidence was taken away and destroyed? Now THAT is how you conduct an investigation of a crime scene! That´s the biggest flaw to the whole ´explosives in the building´ argument, no one can actually examine the evidence that might prove otherwise...

 

[The Old Dark Navy's]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Tidbits? Such as the fact that all of the physical evidence was taken away and destroyed? Now THAT is how you conduct an investigation of a crime scene! That´s the biggest flaw to the whole ´explosives in the building´ argument, no one can actually examine the evidence that might prove otherwise...

You mean that physical evidence that was the tomb of thousands of people, that contained microscopic pieces of human tissue amongst other things. I can't see why they didn't just take it to a dump and let souvenir hunters sift through it .. out of respect for the dead and all.

 

[bit_pattern]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

You mean that physical evidence that was the tomb of thousands of people, that contained microscopic pieces of human tissue amongst other things. I can't see why they didn't just take it to a dump and let souvenir hunters sift through it .. out of respect for the dead and all.

I would have thought they would carry out a forensic investigation, it being a crime scene and all. Since whendid ´respect for the dead´come into forensic examinations?

 

[Dogga79]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

So people actually think on September 10th Bush called Giuliani and said tomorrow is a go. Oh and by the way Rudy we want you to hide the steel from the carnage, because it will prove that we blew up our own people so we can wage war on Afghanistan and then Iraq.

Like the article says, if you actually believe this you will believe anything. Face it, it was some pissed of terrorists. To think otherwise is to deny ones self of reality. But if you hate the US that much, I guess you are willing to twist anything to suit your own agenda.

 

[bit_pattern]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

So people actually think on September 10th Bush called Giuliani and said tomorrow is a go. Oh and by the way Rudy we want you to hide the steel from the carnage, because it will prove that we blew up our own people so we can wage war on Afghanistan and then Iraq.

Like the article says, if you actually believe this you will believe anything. Face it, it was some pissed of terrorists. To think otherwise is to deny ones self of reality. But if you hate the US that much, I guess you are willing to twist anything to suit your own agenda.

I´m glad you have such a high regard for the processes of crime scene investigations. Kudos! It´s not like someone such as yourself who accepts the official conspiracy theory would simply believe everything they believe, god forbid!

 

[Richo83]

Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Oh god, now we're got crazies saying that 911 was done by... the jews.