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I think what Eastern Tiger has contributed to this thread, not just the videos, but that Q&A above he asked too, shows some of the best debating skills shown by anyone in this thread.

H2F has provided a lot of great resources, links, and videos. As has EasternTiger, but that Q&A above was also some great work there. Showing how the official story believers have very little grasp too of the stuff they sprout. Just stuff they've been bombarded with on the news networks.
I appreciate the compliment GG. I've enjoyed your posts and you've obviously looked into this topic at great length.

The JFK link was very interesting. Those hobos keep popping up in the JFK discussion.

While were on the subject, have you seen one of those hobo photos with General Edward Gere Lansdale* (General Y) in it? A Colonel called Fletcher Prouty worked alongside the General for 10+ years in the Pentagon and identified him as the guy in the photo walking past the hobos.

*Gen Lansdale is considered a high level suspect by CT's
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

here they are again, gg.
1. How was W27 wired up for demolition ? Dunno
2. When was it wired up ? Dunno
3. Over what time period did this take place ? Dunno
4. What explosives were used ? Dunno
5. Who was involved ? Those compliant in the conspiracy.
6. How many people were involved ? Dunno
7. Why were the planes that flew into the twin towers remote controlled but the one that flew into the pentagon wasn't ? Could've all been, dunno.
8. Who was involved from the airports in allowing a remote controlled plane full of passengers take off ? Dunno
9. How many people were involved ? Dunno
8. Where did the witnesses who saw a plane fly into the Pentagon come from ? Dunno
9. How did the plane wreckage come to be on the front lawn ? Not THE plane wreckage.
10. Who put it there ? Those compliant in the conspiracy.
11. How many people do you think would be needed to put plane wreckage on the front lawn of the Pentagon ? Dunno, wasnt much plane wreckage, official story said the whole plane evaporated on impact.
12. Why didn't anyone see them ? Who said no one did?
13. What was the plan if the missile missed ? It wouldnt miss anyway. Silly question.
14. Who made up all the passenger details ? Dunno
15. Who then created all the family details of these passengers ? Dunno
16. Where were these families sourced from ? Dunno
17. Who made the sound recordings ? Dunno
18. Why is Dylan Avery alive ? Said this before, only people who are killed/silenced are those who actually HAVE inside-knowledge, leak stuff out, involved. CTers and journos is not the practice to off them. If it was once done, since the CT phenomenon has taken off, govts now use counter-CT and propaganda to discredit CTers and journos. Only off those involved. It's like a contractual agreement, like a hit, people who rat out get taken out.
19. How much money has he made ? Dunno, not important.
20. Why couldn't the US Govt suppress Loose Change yet the same government could fly remote controlled planes into the WTC, organise the demolition of a building twice the size of the Rialto and fly a missile into the Pentagon ? Explained in #18
21. Why has nobody on the inside spoken up ? Explained in #18
22. Why haven't pro CT theorists been prosecuted and/or silenced? Explained in #18

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I appreciate the compliment GG. I've enjoyed your posts and you've obviously looked into this topic at great length.

The JFK link was very interesting. Those hobos keep popping up in the JFK discussion.

While were on the subject, have you seen one of those hobo photos with General Edward Gere Lansdale* (General Y) in it? A Colonel called Fletcher Prouty worked alongside the General for 10+ years in the Pentagon and identified him as the guy in the photo walking past the hobos.

*Gen Lansdale is considered a high level suspect by CT's
I havent seen them. I havent kept abreast of the JFK case for a bunch of years now, so I have a lot of stuff to catch up on that has developed recently. For instance, I didnt even know LBJ had recorded convo's or that they even got released. I live under a rock often. If you have further JFK or 911 links worth looking into feel free to post them and I'll read up.
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

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Im dl the links in the comments, apparently its better quality. I want to see this in better res.some are saying xplosions at 2:26 2:27 2:28 ect

There are a number of theories on JFK,depends who you listen too.
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

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4. Easily. Just as learner driver could drive a car after one lesson so could a learner pilot after 4 or 5 lessons. All they had to do was steer. There was no need to learn such things as landing etc.
This is a terrible answer. Flying planes is not driving cars. Whatsoever in any form even similar. The manueverings and dexterity required for the Pentagon strike especially would rule out any novice pilot and, going by the data provided by the Pilots For Truth org, rule out ALL pilots. Impossibility.

However, a plane flying just OVER the pentagon as per the flight recorder data provided by the official story is possible.
 

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^^ gosh that's a lot of gaps in your theory...
The "hows" are impossible to answer. I dont work in the CIA, or military or US Govt, dont have access to top secret info. Unless stuff gets leaked out or exposed in a legit investigation is the only way questions like that can be given actual answers for. Investigation certainly needs to be re-opened in light of so much evidence that debunks the official story. Also, those theories are not my own. All I stand by is that the official story doesnt hold up. And that there's plenty of evidence that debunks it. Provided by scientists, engineers, military professionals, pilots, etc.
 

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Also, It's been proposed that George Bush Snr was at Dallas at the time.


He has been linked to the JFK plot. As he was a top operative in the CIA at the time threatened by JFK's FBI agenda to stop the CIA in Cuba. In particular a covet operation Bush was in control of.
 

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I havent seen them. I havent kept abreast of the JFK case for a bunch of years now
Yeah I only discovered the JFK case after googling JFK Cuban Missile Crisis. There was some interesting clips of recorded phone calls of him talking to past presidents and updating them, right in the middle of the crisis.

I don't have any links to websites bookmarked to be honest, but I do have some interesting JFK clips.

JFK Speech talking about secret societies

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JFK is about to give a speech in Dallas hours before he is assassinated. Listen to the reporter fill in time before his arrival.

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And I have this clip with the Secret Service men being ordered to stand off the main car. The official story is Jackie didn't want her photo taken with the Secret Service in the frame. Still interesting though.

[youtube]UFpPjjKdUds&feature=related[/youtube]
 

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http://www.megaupload.com/?d=EKPQ0VXM

Dl the Building 7 collapse and watched the front of the building, it does look like windows are blowing out right up the front right side as it collapses.

Yeah after seeing this over and over for 5 minutes, I think I can safely say building 7 was a controlled demo. That evidence is almost undeniable from what it looks like.Windows popping out all the way up, It's a shame we cant see the other side better.Seconds 3,4,5 boom boom boom.

I was thinking maybe the compression of the building as it started to collapse could do this, but it happens in just one area. There is also a couple of windows popping out in the center area..The building is most def on fire however.
 

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Im dl the links in the comments, apparently its better quality. I want to see this in better res.some are saying xplosions at 2:26 2:27 2:28 ect

There are a number of theories on JFK,depends who you listen too.
Good video there.
 

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hmmm - you might want to do a bit of investigation into your own theories, I think. :eek:

Seems to be a lot of ''dunnos'

I especially like your 'missiles never miss' answer. Maybe you should consult the Israeli Defense Force and give them some tips.
 

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The "hows" are impossible to answer. I dont work in the CIA, or military or US Govt, dont have access to top secret info. Unless stuff gets leaked out or exposed in a legit investigation is the only way questions like that can be given actual answers for. Investigation certainly needs to be re-opened in light of so much evidence that debunks the official story.
Can you at least have a guess how WTC7 was wired up, how long it took, and how many people were required.

Not rocket science champ.

Come on -you're great at providing theories yet you seem to sieze up when contemplating theories to support your own argument. Whats wrong ?
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

This is a terrible answer. Flying planes is not driving cars. Whatsoever in any form even similar. .
And your experience flying planes is what exactly ?

The hard parts are taking off and landing. As is self evident neither of these skills were required.
 

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I especially like your 'missiles never miss' answer. Maybe you should consult the Israeli Defense Force and give them some tips
Didnt say missiles never miss. Just not that one. We're talking about the most highly organized precise military/intel operation. Modern US military technology practically infallible (remember that too in regards to the notion of Pentagon being allowed to be hit by a plane). Also, you need to factor in what the percentages are for missed/on-target missile strikes on stationary objects. And modern military percentages. I dont know of any study to cite statistics. But it could be assumed that if 1% of modern missiles aimed at stationary objects miss then you'd have 99% on-target.

Anyway, safe to say that 911, including WTC, to be all done as an inside job would require the most clockwork US military precision and organization. Which is in their wherewithal. And far more likely for all that to be done by such a superpower with such wherewithal than 19 arabs with box cutters and poor/novice LIGHT plane flying aptitude.
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

The "hows" are impossible to answer. I dont work in the CIA, or military or US Govt, dont have access to top secret info. Unless stuff gets leaked out or exposed in a legit investigation is the only way questions like that can be given actual answers for. Investigation certainly needs to be re-opened in light of so much evidence that debunks the official story.
Investigated and concluded.

How about you dive into your own wallet if you want another inquiry. Maybe your friend Mr Avery can give a portion of the millions of dollars he's made as well.

Chances of Dylan Avery diluting his own wealth to conduct another inquiry ?
[x] Zero
[x] None
 

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And your experience flying planes is what exactly ?

The hard parts are taking off and landing. As is self evident neither of these skills were required.
Are you a pilot? Do YOU have any experience or professional input on this? Flying is not driving. That's possibly the worst answer given in this whole thread and it'd be probably best for you to completely let that debate slip.

Also, maybe actually view that PilotsForTruth video that H2F posted.
 

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Didnt say missiles never miss. Just not that one. We're talking about the most highly organized precise military/intel operation. Modern US military technology practically infallible (remember that too in regards to the notion of Pentagon being allowed to be hit by a plane). Also, you need to factor in what the percentages are for missed/on-target missile strikes on stationary objects. And modern military percentages. I dont know of any study to cite statistics. But it could be assumed that if 1% of modern missiles aimed at stationary objects is 1% then you'd have 99% on-target.
What if it was that 1% ?

Bit of a risk to take for no reward.
Safe to assume that 911, including WTC, to be all done as an inside job would require the most clockwork US military precision and organization. Which is in their wherewithal.
You've been watching too many James Bond movies.

To wire up WTC7 from start to finish would require 100s of people (none of whom can now be found), many months of planning, then many months of wiring. Not to mention the amount of hardware that would be required. Any mysterious trucks entering the building precinct in the months before ? Hmmm - didn't think so.

You're really struggling now.

Time for you to produce another You-Tube video from some nut bag website again.

Off you go.
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Daytripper. You seem to be struggling in this debate wrapping your head around this....

My belief that it was inside-job has nothing to do with the hypotheses and theories thrown about. People (not me) conjure those theories up to TRY to maybe explain the "hows". Those things that no one can know unless they were directly involved and can leak the info out or expose it in an investigation.

My belief that is was an inside-job is founded on existing evidence and data and film that clearly shows a lot of the official story is bogus even impossible. Scientists, engineers, pilots, military professionals, etc all coming out with their own independent studies corroborating that it was bogus.

An analogy would be like I'm a juror in a murder trial. Defense pleading "not guilty". I dont know the answers! I dont know what happened! All i can do is sit there and objectively listen to all the evidence and cases brought forward by the Defense and the Prosecution. They all present their arguments, and evidence, there are eyewitness accounts from both sides, etc etc. Ultimately, I sit in the room with all my jurors and we discuss everything brought forward to us, and must make a decision.

That's what this is. You and pretty much everyone else debating on your side of the fence, is constantly overlooking this all.
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Are you a pilot? Do YOU have any experience or professional input on this? Flying is not driving. That's possibly the worst answer given in this whole thread and it'd be probably best for you to completely let that debate slip.

Also, maybe actually view that PilotsForTruth video that H2F posted.
You are just so slow. Let me explain again. Flying is all about landing and taking off (thats the difficult bit). Once its in the air the hard work is over.

I got this from a pilots forum : It was in response as to whether a civilian could fly a plane.

A really good question!

In the good old days of flight deck visits, I never ceased to be amazed by the knowlege of young kids about just about everything to do with flying a plane - knowledge that had been gleaned almost entirely from MS Flight simulator!

I've often thought that it would be interesting to put these kids into a real flight sim - I wouldn't be at all surprised if they didn't do a better job of it than us
And here's something else. See I can provide links too......

http://www.avweb.com/news/safety/183023-1.html

Flying In Four Hours

Training Manual All this sounds like a lot to accomplish in four short hours of ground school and about an equal amount of flight instruction, spread over two days. Did I say learn to fly in just four hours? Say again? Well, maybe we left out a few important details.

AOPA Air Safety Foundation has, indeed, taught thousands to fly in only four hours of flight instruction. However, instead of a pilot's certificate, they receive a Pinch-Hitter certificate. They aren't a full fledged pilot, but they are fully prepared to perform as an emergency replacement pilot. Most other organizations giving such course take about the same amount of time, some a little longer than others, depending upon the experience of the CFI and organization involved.

Still, it boggles the mind. With only four hours of flight instruction and four hours of accompanying ground instruction, Pinch-Hitter students are ready to fly in case of an emergency. They won't actually solo except in the unlikely event something goes terribly wrong during some future flight, but they are prepared.
And that includes the landing part.

Run along now.
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

An analogy would be like I'm a juror in a murder trial. Defense pleading "not guilty". I dont know the answers! I dont know what happened! All i can do is sit there and objectively listen to all the evidence and cases brought forward by the Defense and the Prosecution. They all present their arguments, and evidence, there are eyewitness accounts from both sides, etc etc. Ultimately, I sit in the room with all my jurors and we discuss everything brought forward to us, and must make a decision.
God help us all if you were ever on jury duty..
 

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Re: So, you believe in conspiracy theories, do you? You probably also think you're the Emperor of Pl

Another problem you are struggling with is that you dont even watch any of the videos we present you.

The one Galactic posted, the one I posted analysis on WTC7, etc, etc. If you watch them, they are not Loose Change. I havent cared about Loose Change for years. You're still hung up on Loose Change. Like you saw it back then, scoffed, and refused to keep updated with the NEW reams of info and analysis that's occured that has nothing to do with Loose Change or the guy who produced it.

How about before you keep posting silliness, you actually go and UPDATE your understanding of the evidence being brought forward by the people debunking the official story.
 

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