Roast Soft.Soft.Soft!

[table tennis]

So every contest is around a stoppage or pack? You do realise two blokes can fight alone for a footy. have a look at his effort on the wing in the first quarter where he jogged after a loose ball and lost it to a freo player trailing him by 10 metres. Just one example.



More rubbish

Damian Cupido
Shane Harvey
Jordan mcMahon....



What has somebody's role got to do with attitude and their ability to impact a contest?



Prismall has been good value at times, i don't think i questioned that. I just think he needs to hit in hard when he has to. I'm not expecting him to be glenn archer but when its his turn to win the footy then make sure you want it more than your opponant.

I think that highlights the level of your argument. Shane Harvey - Scrap Heap, Jordan McMahon - Scrap Heap, Cupido - Scrap Heap.

Brent Prismall is not on the verge, or heading towards teh scrap heap.

If you met the bloke, you would know that his determined attitude, that has got him to the Level he is at. You ask any of the football staff about determination to get back from Knee injury to impress the club so much, they put him in the future leaders team, without even playing a game for the club.

For anyone labelling Prismall as soft, are full of shit, he made a mistake in the first quarter, I agree, but he wasnt alone there for the day was he????

He has been our best player over the last 4-6 weeks with consistent solid performances. not a bad effort of a Knee injury and not much match fitness.

So for someone to get themselves to that bracket from so far back, is a credit to himself, our club.

And for not throwing himself in. The first game he played for Bendigo, up at Stawell, the very first bounce, he threw himself in the contest, got smashed by opposition who were targeting him, and won the first kick of the day. For someone coming back from a Knee, that was his first contest back, and he handled it magnificantly.

I could delve in a lot deeper, but im just going to continue to get uneducated idiots who isolate one incident, and draw a conclusion on a players career. Much like those people who wrote of Jobe Watson 3 seasons ago.

Sometimes It would suck being a bombers player, when you have such pathetic and fair weathered supporters.

 

[ant555]

Tbh.. apart from the Anzac Day comeback we have folded like a pack of cards in too many games under Knights.

There does not seem to be any steel or resolve in the club. The round 22 humiliation was disgraceful last year as are losses to bottom 4 sides this year.

It's almost as if it's game,set and match once a side gets on top or a run on.

More BS Kelvin.
Carlton round 4. Came back from 20 points down in the first and hled on when challenged feircly in the last quarter.

Hawthorn round 7. Seriously challenged by the Hawks in the second quarter and came out and blew them off the park.

Richmond round 9. Behind at half time after playing poorly and put the game to sleep in 5 minutes.

Carlton round 13. Another game where they came out after half time and smashed them off the park.

It is a young side Kelvin. They do fold up under pressure. It is still really no surprise that our worst games, West Coast, Fremantle and Port have been interstate. We struggled to win under Sheedy interstate as well.

Knights has made mistakes and theselection comitee has also made some selection blunders but remember this.
Earlier this year in a press conferance Knights did say " we are not as advanced as i thought we would be" and since then the word rebuilding has been used a lot.

When are you going to wake up and see the real picture. The list has serious holes in it and no coach who has ever breathed a breath could turn it into anything more than a side that could play finals and maybe win one but not much else.

And here is another thought for you to ponder. Rather than lashing Knights at every opertunity why do you not have a shot at the club itself.
Knigths is not responsible for the following.
1- piss poor recruiting between 1999 and 2003
2-the farcicle situation with Bendigo
3- the fact that we are one of the richest clubs in the leauge but we have to have our arm twisted to spend money on the football department.
4-the fact tha we still have one of the worst funded recruiting departments in the league and it is up to 10 personal short of what a number of clubs are now running with.
5-Team selection. The coach actually only has one vote on the selection comitee. Maybe you best look up who our chairman of selectors is and give him a roast.
6-the overall quality of the list.

 

[ant555]

Soft bunch of over hyped down hill skiers.
As soon as sides play us man on man we fall apart an no one is prepared to run hard to make a difference.
I hope we loose next week so we save ourselves the humiliation of being belted out of the finals in week 1.Piss poor Bombers.

And for everyone who mentioned this forgive me my moment of madness. When you are pissed off you often say things you don't really mean.
I stand by most of it but of course i wan't us to win this week. The comment about loosing was more from the let down of not having finally made it into september by putting in a crap performance.
Some times the disapointment gets the better of you after the event which is why i generally don't post anything until the day after the game

I have already begun pumping myself up for this week and i am treating it like our first final as it pretty much is an elimination final.

 

[Seb78]

Yes we were ****ing appalling. But can we please get some ****ing perspective.

We are sitting in 8th spot

We are still in the box seat.

This is a good point and I agree but its not about were we are sitting, its about how we're playing that is the problem. We are only sitting in 8th possie cause Pt Adelaide and Hawthorn cant win either and are more inconsistant than us. right now you have the top 7 and daylight between whoever finishes 8th. Until we can develop some level of consistency in our game we will struggle. Yes we have a young team and yes we have been decimated by injury but they have proven they can win big games, its just bloody annoying when they drop games they should be winning. We are not St Kilda or Geelong we dont have their skill and cant become a powerhouse in one season, but what we can do is maintain intensity and have the want to win something we've failed to on a week to week basis consistently.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

And for everyone who mentioned this forgive me my moment of madness. When you are pissed off you often say things you don't really mean.
I stand by most of it but of course i wan't us to win this week. The comment about loosing was more from the let down of not having finally made it into september by putting in a crap performance.
Some times the disapointment gets the better of you after the event which is why i generally don't post anything until the day after the game

I have already begun pumping myself up for this week and i am treating it like our first final as it pretty much is an elimination final.

+ I have money riding on us making it

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Knights has made mistakes and theselection comitee has also made some selection blunders but remember this.
Earlier this year in a press conferance Knights did say " we are not as advanced as i thought we would be" and since then the word rebuilding has been used a lot.

An another reason to be angry at him. He can't come in and say the list is quite good and be bullish about it then half way through your tenure you come to the conclusion that it's not as advanced.

That's a fairly big mistake don't you think.

The constant flip flopping between sides and players is very confusing. I don't want to go in detail again but he hasn't kept his word on giving players a chance to settle and he's only ever made the hard decision after the fact.

I go back to my Lovett thread. Knights put him on the trade table. If it went through we'd have been in another serious rebuild right now and we would be fighting for a bottom 4 spot. The list would be shaken up and we'd be struggling to make finals next year. The way I see it if Knights got his way and traded Lovett we'd be missing the finals under him for 3 years straight.

There's just way too many errors for my liking and I don't see the Essendon culture of sustained excellence in anything he does. In fact I would go as far as saying as we are the next Freo. Up and down like yo-yo's who stand for nothing and are just here for entertainment factor.

 

[RM_3]

Why are you guys soft? You hve Jobe Watson great contested possesion player.

Injured during the Freo game.

We were soft versus the Fremantle because we had a bunch of wing players and no in-and-unders.

Lonergan, Hocking and Skipworth didn't get play. Not to mention Mcveigh and Welsh was tagging the oppositions best players.

That's the reason we lost the contested footy last Sunday. Too many wing players, not enough contested players.

 

[Pevers-Legend]

Thank you, go to a game and watch, you obvously have NFI. Gets the ball in congested places, that is the reason why he is handball mad.

Go back and watch some of the tapes again. Countless times I have seen him baulk at the contest. He did it 3 or 4 times against the saints in the first quarter which I thought was shocking. He did it against Freo probably a hlaf dozen times.

He does not run hard the other way, but he has a pre-season to prove that to just be a coming back from a reco. To me he looks lazy becuase he was at Geelong where you could play lazy footy and get away with it.

Why wouldnt he kick when he can? he has great kicking skills.

??? That is my point - he is handball crazy when he should be trying to spot someone up. Do you even read what you write?


Sorry but this Prismall hype is not justified. He looks good but to ignore the flaws in his game shows the one-eyed glasses on.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

He has been our best player over the last 4-6 weeks with consistent solid performances. not a bad effort of a Knee injury and not much match fitness.

Quite the contrary.

He's been sub par in %75 of the games in that time. He's disposal, tackling and defensive pressure have been poor.

It's one of the reasons why we have been killed in run in a lot of games.

His hype is getting out of control.

 

[Super Gusto]

An another reason to be angry at him. He can't come in and say the list is quite good and be bullish about it then half way through your tenure you come to the conclusion that it's not as advanced.

That's a fairly big mistake don't you think.

The constant flip flopping between sides and players is very confusing. I don't want to go in detail again but he hasn't kept his word on giving players a chance to settle and he's only ever made the hard decision after the fact.

I go back to my Lovett thread. Knights put him on the trade table. If it went through we'd have been in another serious rebuild right now and we would be fighting for a bottom 4 spot. The list would be shaken up and we'd be struggling to make finals next year. The way I see it if Knights got his way and traded Lovett we'd be missing the finals under him for 3 years straight.

There's just way too many errors for my liking and I don't see the Essendon culture of sustained excellence in anything he does. In fact I would go as far as saying as we are the next Freo. Up and down like yo-yo's who stand for nothing and are just here for entertainment factor.

1) The list is looking in reasonable shape. It is still very young and raw and injuries have hurt us but under Knights the team is still knocking on the door of the finals.

2) Give me an example of Knights not giving a player time to settle. Pears, Hooker, Prismal, Hurley, Hocking, Zaharakis etc etc. I can;t think of many players who haven;t been given 2-3 games to settle before they are dropped back to Bendigo.

3) Knights did get his way. Lovett got the message and has had his most consistent season at the club.

4) For years Fremantle have been topping up their list with mature age players rather than developing their own (Very similar to what Sheedy was doing to Essendon for his last 3-4 years at the club). Only now since they stopped doing this does Fremantle look like having a brighter future with a number of good kids coming through. (Very similar to what Knights is doing at Essendon now). So this comparison isn;t far off the mark. Both teams will be much better and more consistent next year.

 

[The Donners]

Go back and watch some of the tapes again. Countless times I have seen him baulk at the contest. He did it 3 or 4 times against the saints in the first quarter which I thought was shocking. He did it against Freo probably a hlaf dozen times.

He does not run hard the other way, but he has a pre-season to prove that to just be a coming back from a reco. To me he looks lazy becuase he was at Geelong where you could play lazy footy and get away with it.

Are you kidding?

??? That is my point - he is handball crazy when he should be trying to spot someone up. Do you even read what you write?


Sorry but this Prismall hype is not justified. He looks good but to ignore the flaws in his game shows the one-eyed glasses on.

Quite the contrary.

He's been sub par in %75 of the games in that time. He's disposal, tackling and defensive pressure have been poor.

It's one of the reasons why we have been killed in run in a lot of games.

His hype is getting out of control.

Though I don't neccessarily disagree, he had a knee reco < 12 months ago and therefore you're both being extremely harsh.

His averages are around the same as the other Brent in most facets yet people think the sun shines out his arse - those of you who "know me" realise I'm not one of them.

In the 11 games Prismall has played, he's beaten Stanton for disposal efficiency 7 games to 3 games (1 draw) and he's beaten Stanton for contested possession 6 games to 4 games (1 draw).

Last time I checked Stanton wasn't coming back from a knee reco.

I think you may both be blind to your prejeduces.

 

[Burzum]

More BS Kelvin.

And here is another thought for you to ponder. Rather than lashing Knights at every opertunity why do you not have a shot at the club itself.
Knigths is not responsible for the following.
1- piss poor recruiting between 1999 and 2003
2-the farcicle situation with Bendigo
3- the fact that we are one of the richest clubs in the leauge but we have to have our arm twisted to spend money on the football department.
4-the fact tha we still have one of the worst funded recruiting departments in the league and it is up to 10 personal short of what a number of clubs are now running with.
5-Team selection. The coach actually only has one vote on the selection comitee. Maybe you best look up who our chairman of selectors is and give him a roast.
6-the overall quality of the list.

Do you think the appointment of Ian Robson will change these problems?

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Though I don't neccessarily disagree, he had a knee reco < 12 months ago and therefore you're both being extremely harsh.

His averages are around the same as the other Brent in most facets yet people think the sun shines out his arse - those of you who "know me" realise I'm not one of them.

In the 11 games Prismall has played, he's beaten Stanton for disposal efficiency 7 games to 3 games (1 draw) and he's beaten Stanton for contested possession 6 games to 4 games (1 draw).

Last time I checked Stanton wasn't coming back from a knee reco.

I think you may both be blind to your prejeduces.

Stanton is winning the inside 50 count by a fair bit and also tackling a lot more.

Prismall is getting too many dinky kicks out back and not impacting the game. He is the classic stat whore.

He played the same way last year so I'm not buying the excuse of knee reco.

Stanton is being tagged while Prismall gets to run free.

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

3) Knights did get his way. Lovett got the message and has had his most consistent season at the club.

No, you don't understand. They did everything possible to get him out of the club and only when people offered up pittance or couldnt' squeeze him in did he stay.

He thought a draft pick would be better than a 27 year old coming into the prime of his career. He was wrong and by a long way.

Similar to Laidley putting up Mcintosh and no one biting. Funny how Laidley does not have a job anymore.

4) For years Fremantle have been topping up their list with mature age players rather than developing their own (Very similar to what Sheedy was doing to Essendon for his last 3-4 years at the club). Only now since they stopped doing this does Fremantle look like having a brighter future with a number of good kids coming through. (Very similar to what Knights is doing at Essendon now). So this comparison isn;t far off the mark. Both teams will be much better and more consistent next year.

Knights has topped up with Skipworth and Atkinson. Both are not part of the best 22 and seem surplus to requirements. The difference with Freo is that they actually recruited older guys that can play at AFL level, not WAFL or VFL like we have.

 

[The Donners]

Stanton is winning the inside 50 count by a fair bit and also tackling a lot more.

Prismall is getting too many dinky kicks out back and not impacting the game. He is the classic stat whore.

He played the same way last year so I'm not buying the excuse of knee reco.

Stanton is being tagged while Prismall gets to run free.

Stanton tackles, 3.7 per game
Prismall tackles, 3.2 per game

Half the problem Essendon have is its delivery into the forward 50, you've just named Stanton for this, thanks for making my argument even better.

If you call the paper-thin 19 year old Hill as a tagger, Stanton's got even bigger issues than I first thought!

 

[kelvin_sheedy]

Stanton tackles, 3.7 per game
Prismall tackles, 3.2 per game

Half the problem Essendon have is its delivery into the forward 50, you've just named Stanton for this, thanks for making my argument even better.

If you call the paper-thin 19 year old Hill as a tagger, Stanton's got even bigger issues than I first thought!

Delivery into the forward 50 is not the problem. We are in the top half dozen for it in the league.

People like you would probably think if we take Stanton out then we'd be No. 1 in that respect.

Stanton is getting the ball more over the year than Prismall. He has dropped off recently due to injury and changing of role to accommodate the likes of Prismal and Welsh.

I don't know how many more times people need to tell you and others. It's like we need to bang our head on the wall. Stanton gets tagged weekly. The coaches rate him and that's all that matters.

I'm done on the Stanton debate. It's like the age old debate about your wife/girlfriend not being good looking enough because there's a supermodel out there.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Delivery into the forward 50 is not the problem. We are in the top half dozen for it in the league.

you think??!!

 

[saladodger]

So all and sundry (including myself) have come to this thread to have a sook. Everyone who wants to has said there piece, I think now its time for the mods to close this thread down and for us to look forward to this weeks big game.

 

[Tony Delaney]

Hey lets relax a bit. If someone said pre season the Bombers would be playing round 22 for a chance to play finals i would have taken it. Yes we have flaws and have not been real flash the second half of the season but the side is heading in the right direction no doubt.

Lets beat the Hawks then have a crack at Carlton. If we don't make it we have had every opportunity.

 

[yaco55]

Though I don't neccessarily disagree, he had a knee reco < 12 months ago and therefore you're both being extremely harsh.

His averages are around the same as the other Brent in most facets yet people think the sun shines out his arse - those of you who "know me" realise I'm not one of them.

In the 11 games Prismall has played, he's beaten Stanton for disposal efficiency 7 games to 3 games (1 draw) and he's beaten Stanton for contested possession 6 games to 4 games (1 draw).

Last time I checked Stanton wasn't coming back from a knee reco.

I think you may both be blind to your prejeduces.

Donners, You are answering your own question.

When Prismall was recruited to EFC - I stated that he wouldn't become an A Grade level, but had the potential to be equivalent to Stanton.

FWIW, I thought that Stanton was much better than Prismall on Sunday.

 

[yaco55]

More BS Kelvin.
Carlton round 4. Came back from 20 points down in the first and hled on when challenged feircly in the last quarter.

Hawthorn round 7. Seriously challenged by the Hawks in the second quarter and came out and blew them off the park.

Richmond round 9. Behind at half time after playing poorly and put the game to sleep in 5 minutes.

Carlton round 13. Another game where they came out after half time and smashed them off the park.

It is a young side Kelvin. They do fold up under pressure. It is still really no surprise that our worst games, West Coast, Fremantle and Port have been interstate. We struggled to win under Sheedy interstate as well.

Knights has made mistakes and theselection comitee has also made some selection blunders but remember this.
Earlier this year in a press conferance Knights did say " we are not as advanced as i thought we would be" and since then the word rebuilding has been used a lot.

When are you going to wake up and see the real picture. The list has serious holes in it and no coach who has ever breathed a breath could turn it into anything more than a side that could play finals and maybe win one but not much else.

And here is another thought for you to ponder. Rather than lashing Knights at every opertunity why do you not have a shot at the club itself.
Knigths is not responsible for the following.
1- piss poor recruiting between 1999 and 2003
2-the farcicle situation with Bendigo
3- the fact that we are one of the richest clubs in the leauge but we have to have our arm twisted to spend money on the football department.
4-the fact tha we still have one of the worst funded recruiting departments in the league and it is up to 10 personal short of what a number of clubs are now running with.
5-Team selection. The coach actually only has one vote on the selection comitee. Maybe you best look up who our chairman of selectors is and give him a roast.
6-the overall quality of the list.

You definitely post more when the team loses.

 

[Super Gusto]

Knights has topped up with Skipworth and Atkinson. Both are not part of the best 22 and seem surplus to requirements. The difference with Freo is that they actually recruited older guys that can play at AFL level, not WAFL or VFL like we have.

Skipworth was picked up in the pre-season draft and Atkinson was picked up in the rookie draft - no trades were used to get them. The fact that they may not be in our best 22 (although this is debatable) is due to alot of our younger players coming on and our fairly solid defence. Both have been more than handy this year although not staring.

Fremantle traded high draft picks to get older guys - who now are either retired or can;t get a game. This didn't work for them at all.

 

[Ben the Gooner]

This is a good point and I agree but its not about were we are sitting, its about how we're playing that is the problem. We are only sitting in 8th possie cause Pt Adelaide and Hawthorn cant win either and are more inconsistant than us. right now you have the top 7 and daylight between whoever finishes 8th. Until we can develop some level of consistency in our game we will struggle. Yes we have a young team and yes we have been decimated by injury but they have proven they can win big games, its just bloody annoying when they drop games they should be winning. We are not St Kilda or Geelong we dont have their skill and cant become a powerhouse in one season, but what we can do is maintain intensity and have the want to win something we've failed to on a week to week basis consistently.

Leave those discussions for after the season. Right now should be all about Saturday.

+ I have money riding on us making it

Me too. And a slab on schoolies. I'd much rather be spending my money buying my own booze, not someone else's.

 

[coopy_one]

Geez you Bombers are incredible....these digs at Prismall are unbelievable....the kid has been in your best in 6 out of his 11 games...probably only going at about 80 percent at this stage with very little preseason behind him....only playing between 60 and 70 percent game time and averaging 24 touches a game....what the hell more do you want....next time we'll throw in Selwood for good measure....we would have him back in a heartbeat....didnt see the game on the weekend but he got votes in the herald sun....oh but he didnt get the 5 votes only 2....bloody hopeless isnt he?

 

[Big Blow Hard]

Geez you Bombers are incredible....these digs at Prismall are unbelievable....the kid has been in your best in 6 out of his 11 games...probably only going at about 80 percent at this stage with very little preseason behind him....only playing between 60 and 70 percent game time and averaging 24 touches a game....what the hell more do you want....next time we'll throw in Selwood for good measure....we would have him back in a heartbeat....didnt see the game on the weekend but he got votes in the herald sun....oh but he didnt get the 5 votes only 2....bloody hopeless isnt he?

I wouldn't read too much int it. The most critical ones tend to overlook the positives and seem hellbent on critisizing some players at the first sign of a weakness. They rarely are to be seen when it comes to commending a player.