Some Hints on How to Eradicate Australian Farmers!

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Further to my thread "Farmers - No Thanks" - I have developed some proactive practices that people can use to eradicate these 'noxious weeds' from our great country:-

1. Always look for processed or packaged food from other countries when shopping. You may actually find that they are a lot cheaper and of better quality. Don't believe the lies of the National Farmers Federation and Agforce that Australian made produce is better - this is a false assumption fed through propaganda from these lying scoundrel organisations.

2. When visiting Woolworths or Coles, look for the 'Californian navels' or the 'Indian cashews' or the 'imported nile fillets.' Eat these fine products safe in the knowledge that you're doing your bit for the world economy and globalisation that John Howard has actively promoted by the FTA and his pro-war mantra.

3. Where possible - grow your own vegetables and fruit - it may actually empower you and they will be free from farming chemicals.

4. Buy clothes that are NOT made in Australia. These are usually easy to find as they are cheaper and of better quality.

5. If possible, shop in an ethnic area of your city or town - they are more likely to stock products not made in Australia. Who here doesn't love the occasional visit to the vibrancy and vitality of Chinatown in their city?

6. Don't stop in country towns if at all possible. Fly between cities if you can - this will prevent any financial benefits flowing into rural towns that support and benefit from farmers and their corruption. If you must stop for petrol, DO NOT purchase anything else - we'll squeeze the financial oxygen out of these places and turn them into 'ghost-towns.'

7. Lobby your local MP's to get Howard to sell off Telstra. Inevitably, this must lead to higher STD call prices which will further distance ourselves from country folk and make us less inclined to contact them.

Before you accuse me of not caring about Jobs and employment and hurting many workers, remember this. We have a very low unemployment rate, so we can afford to 'shed' a few jobs in corrupt industries. As we all know, Forestry workers need to be retrained and redirected to new industries as they are in an unsustainable occupation. One day they will run out of trees to cut down. The same applies to work in these rural regions - they are jobs that are immoral because they are feeding off the blood of farmers who themselves are poisonous.

So if any one else has any ideas to add to the list on how to rid ourselves of farming vermin, please feel free to add them to the list!
 

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I'm approaching this as a comedy thread, rather than an actual attack on Farmers:)

Purchase a farm or country house as a holiday home. If eveyone did this the Farmers would have nowhere to live.

Lobby MPs to increase native rights on farmland.
 

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I'm approaching this as a comedy thread, rather than an actual attack on Farmers:)
I think all his posts are, but let's humour him.

Crocodileman, how would eradicate the destruction of our economy when there are no farmers?
 

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I would just like to point out to Crocidileman that milk come from cows and not the supermarket.
Ripper, you've been watching too many episodes of "Greenacres" for my liking. Next thing you'll be telling me that the 'Moon Landing" wasn't staging in the Nevada desert!!

8. Allow the North Koreans and Pakistanis to use all of inland Australia as one big nuclear testing facility as we did with the British at Maralinga et. al. in the 1950's!
 

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I think all his posts are, but let's humour him.

Crocodileman, how would eradicate the destruction of our economy when there are no farmers?
Dry Rot, my good man, as any good surgeon will tell you - you must remove the malignant tumour first, before you can discuss any further treatment.
 

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Crocodileman.

So you're happy to export all the problems created by farming you mention ie salinity,chemical poisoning etc to third world countries who are even less well equiped to tackle these problems?

Sounds rather callous.
 

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Crocodileman.

So you're happy to export all the problems created by farming you mention ie salinity,chemical poisoning etc to third world countries who are even less well equiped to tackle these problems?

Sounds rather callous.
No more callous than sending genuine asylum seekers to Nauru, invading a country that had never killed or injured an Australian or locking up women and children in detention centres for extended periods of time.

In fact, arguably, these farmers here are environmental criminals and our land is being degraded at a much faster rate than in most third world countries - so it may be actually slowing the degradation.
 

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No more callous than sending genuine asylum seekers to Nauru, invading a country that had never killed or injured an Australian or locking up women and children in detention centres for extended periods of time.
Callous none of the less.Whats that got to do with the price of fish

In fact, arguably, these farmers here are environmental criminals and our land is being degraded at a much faster rate than in most third world countries - so it may be actually slowing the degradation.
As third world countries "improve" agricultural practices they will become more like western farmers,not less.

Australians(being a first world country) are better equipped to tackle the problems caused by farming.ie revegetation,organic fertiliser etc.

If your truly are a "friend of the earth" and you agree people need food to survive,then it's more logicall that farming continue in countries like Australia.

Having said that,I do agree with you to some extent. I don't think farmers(or anyone else for that matter) should be subsidised.If they chose to pursue an economically irrational means of earning (eg.sugar cane farming) then it's their bad luck.
 

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Callous none of the less.Whats that got to do with the price of fish



As third world countries "improve" agricultural practices they will become more like western farmers,not less.

Australians(being a first world country) are better equipped to tackle the problems caused by farming.ie revegetation,organic fertiliser etc.

If your truly are a "friend of the earth" and you agree people need food to survive,then it's more logicall that farming continue in countries like Australia.

Having said that,I do agree with you to some extent. I don't think farmers(or anyone else for that matter) should be subsidised.If they chose to pursue an economically irrational means of earning (eg.sugar cane farming) then it's their bad luck.
I, too, agree with most of what you're saying. However, I don't think it's necessarily correct that Third World farmers would follow the same mistakes that western farmers do. They are more likely to adopt strategies that will minimise long term degradation of the land, as many of these people have learnt over an extended period of suffering, that their survival directly relates to their land.

These people only need education - they have no arrogance or intolerance for sound environmental advice that characterises Australian farmers!
 

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1. Always look for processed or packaged food from other countries when shopping. You may actually find that they are a lot cheaper and of better quality. Don't believe the lies of the National Farmers Federation and Agforce that Australian made produce is better - this is a false assumption fed through propaganda from these lying scoundrel organisations.
Given we are one of the biggest wheat exporters in the world the chances are if you buy processed food it will have Australian grain in it. Same with rice.


4. Buy clothes that are NOT made in Australia. These are usually easy to find as they are cheaper and of better quality.
You are completely clueless, that wont hurt farmers. We export virtually all of our wool. If you buy a woolen product such as socks it will be made from Australian wool. Even if you buy a tshirt from China made from cotton chances are the raw material came from Australia.


6. Don't stop in country towns if at all possible. Fly between cities if you can - this will prevent any financial benefits flowing into rural towns that support and benefit from farmers and their corruption. If you must stop for petrol, DO NOT purchase anything else - we'll squeeze the financial oxygen out of these places and turn them into 'ghost-towns.'
so all the meat, fruit and veg, milk, grain products etc in supermarkets in Melbourne and Sydney comes from os then does it? You need to reread your public service propaganda guide, surely even its not that clueless.


Your lack of understanding on anything to do with this topic is outstanding. You must be a hit in the Public Service.
 

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Having said that,I do agree with you to some extent. I don't think farmers(or anyone else for that matter) should be subsidised.If they chose to pursue an economically irrational means of earning (eg.sugar cane farming) then it's their bad luck.
FFS farmers dont get subsidised other than diesel except for a couple of one off cases like sugar farmers (which there are bugger all of) Its some great urban myth propagated by extremist green muppets.

So noone else should be subsidised. Great lets get rid of public funding for aborigines, sbs, the mardi gras, TCF, the car industry and the environmental lobby.

BTW sugar farming is not an economically irrational means of earning money, it has suffered due to EC and US subsidies/dumping. If you want an example of economically irrational activity then look at the TCF trying to compete against Asian workers on 50c an hour.
 

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FFS farmers dont get subsidised other than diesel except for a couple of one off cases like sugar farmers (which there are bugger all of) Its some great urban myth propagated by extremist green muppets.

So noone else should be subsidised. Great lets get rid of public funding for aborigines, sbs, the mardi gras, TCF, the car industry and the environmental lobby.

BTW sugar farming is not an economically irrational means of earning money, it has suffered due to EC and US subsidies/dumping. If you want an example of economically irrational activity then look at the TCF trying to compete against Asian workers on 50c an hour.
If all evo said is they shouldn't, and you point out they don't, then why the angst Medders. Evo even said "nor should anyone else for that matter" - it was hardly wildly anti-farmer.

Farmers are not evil, but they are not some white knight in shining armour that everyone mis-understands, either.
 

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If all evo said is they shouldn't, and you point out they don't, then why the angst Medders. Evo even said "nor should anyone else for that matter" - it was hardly wildly anti-farmer.

Farmers are not evil, but they are not some white knight in shining armour that everyone mis-understands, either.
Farmers and miners are the economic backbone of this country and are misunderstood. How else could one possibly explain the nonsense that is Native Title, the ALP policy on banning land clearing, uranium, opposition to the sale of kangaroo product, opposition to the eradication of brumbies etc etc.

They mightnt be perfect but they achieve far more for Australia than any other group and they are both extremely efficient (not that ungrateful tools like Crocotosser would ever admit it).
 

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FFS farmers dont get subsidised other than diesel except for a couple of one off cases like sugar farmers (which there are bugger all of) Its some great urban myth propagated by extremist green muppets.
Hmm,I don't think thats right.There are many forms of subsidy or tarriffs.What about that big mountain of wool the wool board bought for years to prop up the price or the various duties levied on food coming into this country. I'm against all trade subsidies/barriers to imports, bar temporary ones designed to aid a ussually successful industry.
So noone else should be subsidised. Great lets get rid of public funding for aborigines, sbs, the mardi gras, TCF, the car industry and the environmental lobby.
SBS ,the arts etc are nothing to do with what i'm talking about.We could discuss that in a different thread if you like.From what i've read of your work you''ll probably find we are on the same page.No.the car industry shouldn't be supported.

BTW sugar farming is not an economically irrational means of earning money, it has suffered due to EC and US subsidies/dumping. If you want an example of economically irrational activity then look at the TCF trying to compete against Asian workers on 50c an hour.
I suspect even without dumping,sugar cane farming will not be a viable industry for Australian farmers in the future but not being an expert I'm willing to concede you may be right.If there are extenuating circumstance then temporary aid could be suitable.
 

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Hmm,I don't think thats right.There are many forms of subsidy or tarriffs.What about that big mountain of wool the wool board bought for years to prop up the price or the various duties levied on food coming into this country. I'm against all trade subsidies/barriers to imports, bar temporary ones designed to aid a ussually successful industry.
SBS ,the arts etc are nothing to do with what i'm talking about.We could discuss that in a different thread if you like.From what i've read of your work you''ll probably find we are on the same page.No.the car industry shouldn't be supported.


I suspect even without dumping,sugar cane farming will not be a viable industry for Australian farmers in the future but not being an expert I'm willing to concede you may be right.If there are extenuating circumstance then temporary aid could be suitable.
The wool mountain wasnt a subsidy. It initially was a govt supported scheme but that was scrapped along time ago. Farmers had a % of their wool cheque taken from them to support this nonsense. When the wool was eventually sold they got it back. The only other trade barriers regarding agriculture are on disease grounds. Many other countries think Australia uses this as an excuse to stop them exporting produce here. The NFF and others point out our lack of foot and mouth, anthrax etc etc. An arguable point.

Re sugar farming the govt is paying farmers to leave the industry rather than to prop them up indefinitely. If only the AFL would take the same approach.
 

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other than diesel
Not actually a subsidy, it is a rebate of the "On Road" component on diesel excise which is supposedly used to fund roads. As they are not using it "On Road" that is fair enough. They do not get the rebate on their "On road Diesel use" for their utes as they have to estimate how much Fuel they use on road.
 

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Very enjoyable first post. Not taking it too seriously though. I'm from a farming family (brother and Dad still farming) and have to say that farmers are probably bigger "whingers" than most occupations. They get "looked after" all right re diesel, loans, subsidies etc. If you check the Centrelink website you will see that primary producers are protected more than any other business owners. When I go home, all I get is whinging - if its not the drought, its the wheat price, rises in the Aussie dollar, interest rates, cost of chemicals, fertiliser, el nino, EEC and USA farmer subsidies etc etc etc- you get the picture. :)
 

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Very enjoyable first post. Not taking it too seriously though. I'm from a farming family (brother and Dad still farming) and have to say that farmers are probably bigger "whingers" than most occupations. They get "looked after" all right re diesel, loans, subsidies etc. If you check the Centrelink website you will see that primary producers are protected more than any other business owners. When I go home, all I get is whinging - if its not the drought, its the wheat price, rises in the Aussie dollar, interest rates, cost of chemicals, fertiliser, el nino, EEC and USA farmer subsidies etc etc etc- you get the picture. :)
Farmers are price acceptors. Not price setters. The cost of production and the price of product are not connected like in other businesses. Some farmers rise above the uncertainty of radically fluctuating prices and the uncertainty of actual production better than others but it can bring out a whinge in just about anyone.
 

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hoss said:
Very enjoyable first post. Not taking it too seriously though. I'm from a farming family (brother and Dad still farming) and have to say that farmers are probably bigger "whingers" than most occupations. They get "looked after" all right re diesel, loans, subsidies etc. If you check the Centrelink website you will see that primary producers are protected more than any other business owners. When I go home, all I get is whinging - if its not the drought, its the wheat price, rises in the Aussie dollar, interest rates, cost of chemicals, fertiliser, el nino, EEC and USA farmer subsidies etc etc etc- you get the picture. :)
Welcome to this thread, Hoss. Good to see you supporting some of my claims, particularly about farmers receiving a lot of government financial assistance.

You are a living example that people are not bound to the land - you have risen above it to make a better and more just life for yourself and your fellow Australians.

It must be interesting for you on the farm when you return for Christmas - do you participate in all the racist hate in discussions?
 

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9. Get CSIRO to develop a biological agent strong enough to poison the bastards! They are like cockroaches - they would survive a nuclear attack!!!
 

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Welcome to this thread, Hoss. Good to see you supporting some of my claims, particularly about farmers receiving a lot of government financial assistance.

You are a living example that people are not bound to the land - you have risen above it to make a better and more just life for yourself and your fellow Australians.

It must be interesting for you on the farm when you return for Christmas - do you participate in all the racist hate in discussions?
I both agree and disagree with some of your sentiment Crocman. Some of your views are a bit full on and its never too wise to stereotype any particular group.

I remember my old man planting about 20,000 trees on the farm (by hand!) way back in the 70's. He was way ahead of his time with many environmental practices. Also, I've never heard Dad say anything racist in my life. We do have arguments along political lines, but although Dad is a bit right-wing, he's a big supporter of issues such as immigration, help for refugees etc.

I cannot say the same for some others in my immediate family (Mum, brothers, step-father). Although they are my blood and we are close family, we have HUGE arguments. I've just started to have the balls to speak up when I hear racist and redneck comments from them. I CRINGE when I hear not only adults, but much worse their KIDS refer to Aboriginals, Muslims, etc in racist terms.

I also find that kids are pushed at a very young age into supporting certain political parties and "taught" to hate others (despite the 2 major parties now being so close on policy).

Many BF members will know that I work in a remote community with a significant Aboriginal population. In the 7 years here I've made some very close and lifelong Yamatji friends. That said I've also got friends from the farming community. There's good and bad in everyone, every race, every religion and every occupation.

I've never worked in the wheatbelt of WA, because generally I feel that many people are in fact, too racist and rednecked. Many but certainly not all however. And before people start, no I'm not a "do-gooder", but if I was I'd rather "do good" and be a caring, empathetic Aussie than one who is a "do-badder" and is racist, bigoted and uncaring.
 

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I both agree and disagree with some of your sentiment Crocman. Some of your views are a bit full on and its never too wise to stereotype any particular group.

I remember my old man planting about 20,000 trees on the farm (by hand!) way back in the 70's. He was way ahead of his time with many environmental practices. Also, I've never heard Dad say anything racist in my life. We do have arguments along political lines, but although Dad is a bit right-wing, he's a big supporter of issues such as immigration, help for refugees etc.

I cannot say the same for some others in my immediate family (Mum, brothers, step-father). Although they are my blood and we are close family, we have HUGE arguments. I've just started to have the balls to speak up when I hear racist and redneck comments from them. I CRINGE when I hear not only adults, but much worse their KIDS refer to Aboriginals, Muslims, etc in racist terms.

I also find that kids are pushed at a very young age into supporting certain political parties and "taught" to hate others (despite the 2 major parties now being so close on policy).

Many BF members will know that I work in a remote community with a significant Aboriginal population. In the 7 years here I've made some very close and lifelong Yamatji friends. That said I've also got friends from the farming community. There's good and bad in everyone, every race, every religion and every occupation.

I've never worked in the wheatbelt of WA, because generally I feel that many people are in fact, too racist and rednecked. Many but certainly not all however. And before people start, no I'm not a "do-gooder", but if I was I'd rather "do good" and be a caring, empathetic Aussie than one who is a "do-badder" and is racist, bigoted and uncaring.
so now every rural australian is a racist a bigot and uncaring
you have either been brought up in a house hold with a shaky marriage and poor family values or that story you just wrote is a complete lie.

when you some of you urban cowboys actually go out and see the real rural australia you may find that its not all like you would want people to believe. but please enjoy the confines of your room and ponder how good the world would be if it was just one big city
 

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so now every rural australian is a racist a bigot and uncaring
you have either been brought up in a house hold with a shaky marriage and poor family values or that story you just wrote is a complete lie.

when you some of you urban cowboys actually go out and see the real rural australia you may find that its not all like you would want people to believe. but please enjoy the confines of your room and ponder how good the world would be if it was just one big city
So...I'm guessing that you can't read or at least didn't read my post. I am a rural Australian, you idiot. I have worked the last 17 years of my career in rural and remote communities. I made it clear several times in my post that you can't judge everyone the same. Why you have called me a liar? Well, I have no idea, other than the fact that you appear very defensive about all this. Maybe the truth hurts redneck??
 
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