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ericpascoe said:
To keep going (sorry, had stuff on and had to go for a few hours)

  • O'Keeffe - strong expectations of a break out year in 2010, injuries allowing
  • Warnock - will miss (all up) about 8 weeks from the time of his operation, to the time he is back on track
  • Cloke - here is the really interesting one. If we need to free up another spot (PSD pick OR promotion of a 3rd rookie), he will very likely be the one cut. Very angry about his shennanigans with EB and JG, and there is some interest, from elsewhere, in picking up last year of his contract.
  • Henderson - apparently a fantastic kid, great family - "quality young man" was the term. Plan is to play him every game in 2010, fitness allowing
  • Robbo - not sure, but unlikely I think. Certainly, as at a few days ago there were no plans to take anyone else in the PSD in the light of Bradshaw's rejection. Board meeting (tonight I think) - they may reconsider, but I reckon highly doubtful
That's all for now!
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i heard port adelaide were hoping to pick him up in the psd if he was delisted
 
OldBlueFan said:
I agree with this wholeheartedly



I hope it means that they'll give Hampson a crack in the forward line. I know everyone seems to think he's too unco, but given his late conversion to the game and his steady improvement of the last couple of years, he might be able to be taught to be a forward.



:)
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I think what it means is that all the talls - Waite, Kreuzer, Hampson, Warnock - will rotate through the forward line with Hendo as the "rock"
 
I agree with Carlton Fan, we have too many ordinary players on our list, and we need to make the call on these guys and look to the future.
For a start I cannot believe Bentley was not first off the rank to be delisted. He makes Bentick look like an A grader.
Fisher may be contracted for 2010 but surely we need to pay his contract out and delist him. He will not be part of our next push to glory so why have him on the list? Some might say we need players like Fish for depth, what depth? The guy cannot get a kick at VFL level and his performance in the GF was laughable to say the least. He will not be on huge dollars so it will not be a huge issue.
Wiggins a great team man, yes, but there comes a time when football ability must count for something. His expiry date is well overdue.
 

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No doubt our list still has a few gaping holes, and if you look at who we delisted / traded there's a worrying loss of forwards from an already weak forward line (fev, edwards, hartlett) so stand by for a frustrating year barring some amazing coaching outcome.

Thanks ericpascoe for this. Even if the source is just expressing their views its good.

Grigg is an interesting one. Watch the St Kilda match again and he was fantastic. But he didnt do much else for the year.

Any thoughts on forward line structure for next year? Henderson 22 games is essential as we dont really have any other forwards, but say Henderson plus Betts, Gartlett, Yarran and a resting ruckman still leaves some gaps. Seems to me like Wiggins has a good chance of playing 15 or so games again. Anyting specific?
 
There is no doubt that the poor quality of this year's draft has saved a couple - remember, for everyone you chop, you have to pick one up, and if the view is that there is no quality left at 59 or 75, why chop Fisher and pay out a contract?
 
Shambolic said:
No doubt our list still has a few gaping holes, and if you look at who we delisted / traded there's a worrying loss of forwards from an already weak forward line (fev, edwards, hartlett) so stand by for a frustrating year barring some amazing coaching outcome.

Thanks ericpascoe for this. Even if the source is just expressing their views its good.

Grigg is an interesting one. Watch the St Kilda match again and he was fantastic. But he didnt do much else for the year.

Any thoughts on forward line structure for next year? Henderson 22 games is essential as we dont really have any other forwards, but say Henderson plus Betts, Gartlett, Yarran and a resting ruckman still leaves some gaps. Seems to me like Wiggins has a good chance of playing 15 or so games again. Anyting specific?
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The source(s) are very good - yes opinions, but opinions that matter (if you catch my drift)

The other 2 names I heard mentioned re the multi dimensional forward line were Walker and Robinson
 
And one last bit I forgot - for all you Talia/Panos/Carlisle fans - pick 12, Wayne Hughes view is we go best available. Apparently consolidated that view post getting Hendo.
 
ericpascoe said:
The source(s) are very good - yes opinions, but opinions that matter (if you catch my drift)

The other 2 names I heard mentioned re the multi dimensional forward line were Walker and Robinson
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Thanks.

Robinson hasnt shown an ability to mark though, good in close and tight and great work ethic but Id assumed we'd need someone else to take a grab. I was surprised we cut Edwards because he at least could take a grab but clearly his 2009 was worse than i thought.
 

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ericpascoe said:
The source(s) are very good - yes opinions, but opinions that matter (if you catch my drift)

The other 2 names I heard mentioned re the multi dimensional forward line were Walker and Robinson
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After the failure to attract Bradshaw with Plan A, is there any Plan B for the National/Pre-season drafts for any forwards, particularly if they are of the view they see Kruezer as a long term ruckman which l do agree with.
 
mac25 said:
After the failure to attract Bradshaw with Plan A, is there any Plan B for the National/Pre-season drafts for any forwards, particularly if they are of the view they see Kruezer as a long term ruckman which l do agree with.
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Absolutely no plan B, apparently the club has put a line through all tall forwards who have nominated for the draft.

:rolleyes:


Relax mac :)
 
ericpascoe said:
I think what it means is that all the talls - Waite, Kreuzer, Hampson, Warnock - will rotate through the forward line with Hendo as the "rock"
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As nice as that sounds, I keep thinking Paul Salmon when I look at Hampson. If he ever got sticky hands and a straighter kick, he'd be almost unstoppable. We know he can kick long. If they started now, Hampson and Henderson could develop together and as a "pair" with the whole forward structure evolving as one.

That would still leave Waite, Kreuzer, Warnock, Austin to drift forward as needed.
 
Firstly, thanks so much for the insights ep.

A bit harsh on a couple I would have thought. Walker had missed a lot of footy and in the pressure of a final buggered up, but he had managed to shut Rich down for most of the game which IMO was a big part of the reason we controlled the midfield when we did.

Johnson is an interesting one. How much of a mistake can it be taking a player in the PSD that doesn't work out? Chances are if you take a kid that late their chances of making are slim anyway. He has a lot of work to do, and needs to be more than just a nice kick when there not much pressure, so he would head my list for on the chopping block this year.

Interesting one on Cloke. Look as though he'll be O.K. though with Bradshaw going North. We may not need the extra pick.
JS74 said:
Fisher may be contracted for 2010 but surely we need to pay his contract out and delist him. He will not be part of our next push to glory so why have him on the list? Some might say we need players like Fish for depth, what depth? The guy cannot get a kick at VFL level and his performance in the GF was laughable to say the least. He will not be on huge dollars so it will not be a huge issue.
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So we should get rid of every player on our list immediately that won't be a part of our next flag, even if we have to pay out their contract?

This plan would bankrupt the club.

Each year you have to delist a minimum of 3 players (possibly only 2 with the new rookie rules).
So lets say we took your sword out and slashed all the deadwood in one hit......assuming you could afford to in the salary cap.
You'd have the starting 22, 4-5 more senior players and a whole bunch of first year players.

So fast forward a year. Which 3 do you get rid of? 3 kids who have only had one year in the system (and you'd have to pay them out for the second year) or 3 of your top 26-7?

Is delisting Fisher and picking up a kid with pick 90 something really an upgrade?

Fisher looked shot this year. No doubt. But their are plenty who had contributed less over a longer period of time, and only so many kids that might be good enough to make it that we want to pick up.
 
ericpascoe said:
And one last bit I forgot - for all you Talia/Panos/Carlisle fans - pick 12, Wayne Hughes view is we go best available. Apparently consolidated that view post getting Hendo.
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No shock there. It's always been his philosophy. Still, I think we will end up with a tall, as IMO, there would appear to be a cluster of them around our 1st round selection.
 

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ericpascoe said:
Guys and Gals

Some interesting little tidbits gleaned from discussions in recent days

  • Draw - we have a tough one. If we are at 50% come round eight we will be doing well
  • Fevola - coaching group were unanimous about offloading him and most of the senior players are very happy too. The amount of attention coaching staff paid to him was seen as over the top for a 28 year old given all the kids that need to be nurtured - a never ending drama on many fronts. Heath Scotland a notable exception - quite shitty apparently
  • McLean - glad to get him, but actually went after Rivers at first instance, which Dees would not have a bar of.
  • Stevo - AFL had agreed we can treat his payout under 2009 salary cap rather than 2010, so expect an announcement soon
  • Walker - was on the table because coaching staff see him as undisciplined in a football sense - little 1 percenters like standing goalside of his man at stoppages. Very critical of his effort on Rich in last quarter
  • Russell - wrapped with his improvement
  • Simpson - likely to be VC
  • Kreuzer - real reluctance to turn him into a forward. I've heard it said that he could be an "adequate" forward but a champion ruckman who does everything you'd want in a modern ruckman.
  • Johnson - recruiting him regarded as a complete failure
  • Fisher - retained because he is contracted - no other reason
  • Browne - love him. expect to see more of him
  • Grigg - got a "bit pleased with himself" as a consequence of his form in NAB Cup, got hurt and just "had a shit year" - they are not too worried and reckon he will come good.
More soon. EP
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Thanks EP..nice little update

I met Eric Pascoe once many moons ago, had an autographed photo...:D
 
incog43 said:
Jeeze I hope warnock isn't one of these guys who is always injured or about to do an injury.
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If you saw a full list of players at each club who had some sort of operation in the post season you would be shocked.

I.e. All players are injured or about to get injured at any given point in time to some degree.

The question is more how well does he carry injuries, and are they the type that he can play with.

Given his height, he will take longer than usual to "fit into" his body, i.e. to fill out and carry his frame better.

I'm sure he learnt some lessons from last pre-season about going "too hard" with his running.:thumbsu:
 
ericpascoe said:
The source(s) are very good - yes opinions, but opinions that matter (if you catch my drift)

The other 2 names I heard mentioned re the multi dimensional forward line were Walker and Robinson
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Interesting. I had Walker down as a possible forward what with his speed, agility and leap but thought that the recent shoulder surgery, which supposedly restricts his arm movement, put paid to that.
It's worth a shot I reckon, we need a player of his size and speed in the forward line.
 
Gautama said:
Interesting. I had Walker down as a possible forward what with his speed, agility and leap but thought that the recent shoulder surgery, which supposedly restricts his arm movement, put paid to that.
It's worth a shot I reckon, we need a player of his size and speed in the forward line.
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Walker is also suspect on the kicking front but def worth first shot if we are considering Robertson!
 

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