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I love this article and it brings me great joy, if this was a physical item, Marie Condo would allow it as the centre piece on my dining table. Please read the very last paragraph first, then read the time it was written and enjoy.

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link -https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/mediaacademy.foxsports.com.au/afl/revisiting-adam-treloars-offseason-comments-do-collingwood-or-richmond-have-the-better-list/amp/

Revisiting Adam Treloar’s offseason comments – do Collingwood or Richmond have the better list? – Media Academy
Revisiting Adam Treloar’s offseason comments – do Collingwood or Richmond have the better list? – Media Academy
3 years ago

As Collingwood and Richmond prepare to battle on Friday night, in a game that will have massive ramifications for the Tigers if they put forward another uncompetitive effort, revisiting Adam Treloar’s preseason comments, seems appropriate.

“A lot of people might think I’m silly because Richmond have a lot of good players … but I think Collingwood have a better list, and a younger list, who in a couple of years’ time can hopefully win a premiership,” Treloar said back in November, during the Pies preseason camp in Falls Creek.

The comments sparked great debate and Richmond legend, Kevin Bartlett, didn’t hold back in his assessment.

“The poor kid has been brainwashed by some propaganda witchdoctor from Collingwood,” Bartlett said on SEN Radio.

“Either that or his head was so far in the clouds at the Pies’ Falls Creek training camp yesterday he became delusional.

“Adam, you’ll have to be twice as good as I think you are for the Pies to win a flag before Richmond.”

Neither the Pies or Tigers are close to a flag, but if Bartlett had his time again, it’s safe to assume his opinion wouldn’t be as sharp.

Furthermore, the Herald Sun ran a poll prior to the season asking which club was closer to a flag. Of the voters, 53.83 per cent voted for the Pies, while 46.17 per cent believed the Tigers were closer to a premiership.

While both sides have failed to reach expectations this season and a flag isn’t in neither of their distant futures, to say Richmond’s list is better positioned than Collingwood’s, would be miscalculated.

Let’s take a look at the top-end talent of both lists.

The ‘big five’ of Jack Riewoldt, Alex Rance, Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin have been steady contributors throughout the season.

Despite being moved around the ground, Riewoldt has maintained a high level of production, Martin is in Brownlow Medal contention and Rance continues to strengthen his hold on the ‘best back man in the game’ title.

Uncertainty surrounds the future of Deledio and Cotchin, even though they’re still producing on the field. Deledio will turn 30 next season and with Richmond entering a rebuild, the question must be asked – is an ageing veteran, or, a bunch of draft picks and young talent more valuable to the Tigers?

Cotchin’s leadership qualities have been maligned all season and with each thrashing, the queries only become stronger.

Bachar Houli, one of the Tigers most vital run and carry players off the halfback line, has played only eight games due to injury. If he were healthy, he has enough talent to be considered elite.

When there is doubt surrounding your elite level talent, it isn’t a good sign. Unlike the Tigers, the Magpies don’t have this.

Scott Pendlebury has been as steady as ever and is positioning himself for his first All-Australian selection since 2014. Treloar has been worth everything the Pies paid for him and more, while Steele Sidebottom has elevated his game to another gear.

Furthermore, Brodie Grundy is making his case for the ‘best ruck man in the game’ mantra and Ben Reid has vanquished his injury demons and is back to his best.

Additionally, two of the Magpies better players – Jamie Elliott and Dane Swan – have had their 2016 campaigns wiped out by injuries.

The edge here has to go to the Magpies. Not only have they lost two major pieces this season, but the reliability, age and certainty of their premium players bests that of Richmond’s.

When it comes to the mid-tier of each list, Collingwood also holds an advantage.

Richmond’s recruitment strategy has come into question and for good reason. The signing of Chris Yarran was poorly planned for, while the likes of Shane Edwards, Ty Vickery, Nick Vlastuin, Anthony Miles, Ivan Maric, Brandon Ellis and Taylor Hunt have all taken step backs this season.

That contingent of players are B-grade footballers at best and Richmond’s football manager, Dan Richardson, understands the Tigers may have settled for mediocrity and are now feeling the aftermath.

“We’re paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part,” Richardson told SEN radio in May.

“While it’s been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it’s been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club.”

Sure, it’s all good and well to play in the finals and every team should have that goal. In the long run though, a complete rebuild has a brighter outlook, compared to a quick fix.

Collingwood’s second wave of talent, including Taylor Adams, Jeremy Howe, Alex Fasolo, Darcy Moore, Marley Williams, Levi Greenwood, Jack Crisp, Jordan De Goey and James Aish have more potential to grow and contribute than the Tigers group.

Both clubs have unveiled some exciting young players this season. Jason Castagna, Jayden Short, Oleg Markov and Daniel Riolo all give it a real crack for Richmond, while Rupert Wills, Tom Phillips and Josh Smith have proved to be formidable for Collingwood.

Most preseason predictions for the Magpies and Tigers have been wrong. Both sides are well off the finals pace and a premiership seems further away than most anticipated.

However, for those who ridiculed Treloar for his opinion back in November, should apologise.
 

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I love this article and it brings me great joy, if this was a physical item, Marie Condo would allow it as the centre piece on my dining table. Please read the very last paragraph first, then read the time it was written and enjoy.

GO TIGERS!!

link -https://www.google.com.au/amp/s/mediaacademy.foxsports.com.au/afl/revisiting-adam-treloars-offseason-comments-do-collingwood-or-richmond-have-the-better-list/amp/

Revisiting Adam Treloar’s offseason comments – do Collingwood or Richmond have the better list? – Media Academy
Revisiting Adam Treloar’s offseason comments – do Collingwood or Richmond have the better list? – Media Academy
3 years ago

As Collingwood and Richmond prepare to battle on Friday night, in a game that will have massive ramifications for the Tigers if they put forward another uncompetitive effort, revisiting Adam Treloar’s preseason comments, seems appropriate.

“A lot of people might think I’m silly because Richmond have a lot of good players … but I think Collingwood have a better list, and a younger list, who in a couple of years’ time can hopefully win a premiership,” Treloar said back in November, during the Pies preseason camp in Falls Creek.

The comments sparked great debate and Richmond legend, Kevin Bartlett, didn’t hold back in his assessment.

“The poor kid has been brainwashed by some propaganda witchdoctor from Collingwood,” Bartlett said on SEN Radio.

“Either that or his head was so far in the clouds at the Pies’ Falls Creek training camp yesterday he became delusional.

“Adam, you’ll have to be twice as good as I think you are for the Pies to win a flag before Richmond.”

Neither the Pies or Tigers are close to a flag, but if Bartlett had his time again, it’s safe to assume his opinion wouldn’t be as sharp.

Furthermore, the Herald Sun ran a poll prior to the season asking which club was closer to a flag. Of the voters, 53.83 per cent voted for the Pies, while 46.17 per cent believed the Tigers were closer to a premiership.

While both sides have failed to reach expectations this season and a flag isn’t in neither of their distant futures, to say Richmond’s list is better positioned than Collingwood’s, would be miscalculated.

Let’s take a look at the top-end talent of both lists.

The ‘big five’ of Jack Riewoldt, Alex Rance, Brett Deledio, Dustin Martin and Trent Cotchin have been steady contributors throughout the season.

Despite being moved around the ground, Riewoldt has maintained a high level of production, Martin is in Brownlow Medal contention and Rance continues to strengthen his hold on the ‘best back man in the game’ title.

Uncertainty surrounds the future of Deledio and Cotchin, even though they’re still producing on the field. Deledio will turn 30 next season and with Richmond entering a rebuild, the question must be asked – is an ageing veteran, or, a bunch of draft picks and young talent more valuable to the Tigers?

Cotchin’s leadership qualities have been maligned all season and with each thrashing, the queries only become stronger.

Bachar Houli, one of the Tigers most vital run and carry players off the halfback line, has played only eight games due to injury. If he were healthy, he has enough talent to be considered elite.

When there is doubt surrounding your elite level talent, it isn’t a good sign. Unlike the Tigers, the Magpies don’t have this.

Scott Pendlebury has been as steady as ever and is positioning himself for his first All-Australian selection since 2014. Treloar has been worth everything the Pies paid for him and more, while Steele Sidebottom has elevated his game to another gear.

Furthermore, Brodie Grundy is making his case for the ‘best ruck man in the game’ mantra and Ben Reid has vanquished his injury demons and is back to his best.

Additionally, two of the Magpies better players – Jamie Elliott and Dane Swan – have had their 2016 campaigns wiped out by injuries.

The edge here has to go to the Magpies. Not only have they lost two major pieces this season, but the reliability, age and certainty of their premium players bests that of Richmond’s.

When it comes to the mid-tier of each list, Collingwood also holds an advantage.

Richmond’s recruitment strategy has come into question and for good reason. The signing of Chris Yarran was poorly planned for, while the likes of Shane Edwards, Ty Vickery, Nick Vlastuin, Anthony Miles, Ivan Maric, Brandon Ellis and Taylor Hunt have all taken step backs this season.

That contingent of players are B-grade footballers at best and Richmond’s football manager, Dan Richardson, understands the Tigers may have settled for mediocrity and are now feeling the aftermath.

“We’re paying a price in the sense that we knew that that mature-age talent would get us to a point but not take us to the next level, which was always going to be the hardest part,” Richardson told SEN radio in May.

“While it’s been disappointing somewhat to not win a final, it’s been a good achievement to play finals for three years in a row for the first time for 20 years for the club.”

Sure, it’s all good and well to play in the finals and every team should have that goal. In the long run though, a complete rebuild has a brighter outlook, compared to a quick fix.

Collingwood’s second wave of talent, including Taylor Adams, Jeremy Howe, Alex Fasolo, Darcy Moore, Marley Williams, Levi Greenwood, Jack Crisp, Jordan De Goey and James Aish have more potential to grow and contribute than the Tigers group.

Both clubs have unveiled some exciting young players this season. Jason Castagna, Jayden Short, Oleg Markov and Daniel Riolo all give it a real crack for Richmond, while Rupert Wills, Tom Phillips and Josh Smith have proved to be formidable for Collingwood.

Most preseason predictions for the Magpies and Tigers have been wrong. Both sides are well off the finals pace and a premiership seems further away than most anticipated.

However, for those who ridiculed Treloar for his opinion back in November, should apologise.

Looked up the original link and saw that it was written by 'Isicari - Junior Columnist'.

So they got the work experience kid to write an article.

Stopped reading right there and then.
 
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Looked up the original link and saw that it was written by 'Isicari - Junior Columnist'.

So they got the work experience kid to write an article.

Stopped reading right there and then.
Is that the bloke who flew too close to the sun?
 

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the bit that is vindicated

Collingwood had a good list - GF in 2018 and finals in 2019 , that's hardly a rubbish list
in the last 2 years they have beaten most teams and can look very potent in patches

the bit that isn't vindicated Collingwood >> Richmond

at the time the comment was made Pendlebury >> Dusty & Cotch

and for someone like Trealor he wasn't well versed in the depth of the two clubs outside the top 22

our top 22 improved and we had players come thru from the 2nds

looking back you might assume we only recruited good to average players
and that we would continue that

bringing in Caddy, PRestia & Lynch
and the drafting of Baker, Ross, Stack & Pickett has tipped that on its head
 

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