Entertainment & Music Song contest part 4, host: Ulahoopski, theme: virgin redux, noms due by Thurs 10:00pm AEST

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The greatest justification someone can have for nominating a song (whore or virgin) is getting the votes from the establishment.

If someone says that song sucks and they get the votes, isn't that 'pie in the face' of the person who said it sucks? Why the need to get upset?

Back your song up and justify it but posting 'a crap unknown song' to avoid the horror of whoring a song isn't (IMO) what this song contest should/could/is about.

This won't go down well with the like of Loonerty and Ulahoopski but I'm going to have my say.
I'm like 3rd for highest average votes. I ain't no virgin peddler.
 

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IN's reviews were great value. Even if I pretty much disagreed with everything, I always got a good laugh out of reading it.
You couldn't really take offence if he hated your song as he pretty much hated every song or at least didn't like it.
 

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The greatest justification someone can have for nominating a song (whore or virgin) is getting the votes from the establishment.

If someone says that song sucks and they get the votes, isn't that 'pie in the face' of the person who said it sucks? Why the need to get upset?

Back your song up and justify it but posting 'a crap unknown song' to avoid the horror of whoring a song isn't (IMO) what this song contest should/could/is about.

This won't go down well with the like of Loonerty and Ulahoopski but I'm going to have my say.
So what exactly do you think this song contest is/should/could be about?
 

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I did reviews for every song when I started but after rounds 1 and 2 it was too much work.

Bring back the Shame file BOO!!
I love your song reviews. They show that you listen and take the time to think about exactly what you like or disliked about a song. You should do it more often.
 

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So what exactly do you think this song contest is/should/could be about?
Gaining an understanding what the best and worse song is from a very particular theme.

But when people put a caveat on their vote that they won't vote (or will billy) a set of song because its been nominated too often removed any authenticity.
 

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Only 3 sets of votes in so far.
Gaining an understanding what the best and worse song is from a very particular theme.

But when people put a caveat on their vote that they won't vote (or will billy) a set of song because its been nominated too often removed any authenticity.
There's no such thing as "best" or "worst" when it comes to music (or food, or women, or men, or art in general). It's subjective.
 

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Only 3 sets of votes in so far.
You got mine?

As you didn't get my nomination originally

There's no such thing as "best" or "worst" when it comes to music (or food, or women, or men, or art in general). It's subjective.
Of course its subjective, you're are asking for an individual perspective on something however when you use a collective voting system, you inherently gain a best and worse.
 

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I always do little notes about the songs to myself to remind me what the best songs to vote for are (and if I have time, listen to the new (to me) ones again if I thought they had potential). Never release them though as they're only a few words long.
 

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I did reviews for every song when I started but after rounds 1 and 2 it was too much work.

Bring back the Shame file BOO!!
One in, all in. I don't want to be the public executioner. I reckon we should ALL turn up the heat and give each other a cook over shit noms & shit votes and not be so precious about it.

This round? Meh… I've got no complaints. It's a pretty solid selection of tunes. If anything, I'll probably be the one to cop it...:D
 

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The greatest justification someone can have for nominating a song (whore or virgin) is getting the votes from the establishment. If someone says that song sucks and they get the votes, isn't that 'pie in the face' of the person who said it sucks? Why the need to get upset?
Of course its subjective, you're are asking for an individual perspective on something however when you use a collective voting system, you inherently gain a best and worse.
Not if they're all wrong. Not if they suck and they have no taste. If I can't bitch about the crappy, overplayed botewhores getting all the votes, then what am I supposed to do? Kick my dog?

I don't really buy into the whole "whores vs virgins" thing anyway. A nom can be both. I don't have a problem with people botewhoring. I won the Posthumous Releases round with 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' and Bomberboyokay told me to go f**k myself. :eek: I just get a bit exasperated when people nom (or vote up) the same stuff all the time. e.g. Nirvana. That's my beef with song contest. The same bands constantly getting nommed and put on a pedestal. Sometimes it's justified and deserves a podium. However, most of the time it isn't deserved.

Heart-Shaped Box is not a bad song, but it's not very good song either. Nirvana have a few great tunes, a lot of good tunes and a lot of filler. They were a good band. Maybe even a great band for the times. I just don't think their music really lives up to the full-on hype which always surrounded them. I know people think all their songs are ace, but if you listen to them objectively, they're not that good. There's a bit of Emperor's New Clothes with Kurt Cobain & Nirvana. Their fans carry a torch for them, I think mainly for nostalgia reasons. Nevermind was the soundtrack album of their teenage glory days, getting pissed for the first time, getting laid, etc.

Back your song up and justify it but posting 'a crap unknown song' to avoid the horror of whoring a song isn't (IMO) what this song contest should/could/is about.
I never nom a 'crap unknown song'. They're all awesome. Not my problem if you clowns don't know your arse from your elbow. I never view finishing 20th as proof that I'm wrong. I view it as proof that people aren't really listening. :D They're often just voting on name recognition. (Oooooh! I love that Green Day song! It reminds me of the time on school camp when I got a handjob)
 

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You got mine?

As you didn't get my nomination originally



Of course its subjective, you're are asking for an individual perspective on something however when you use a collective voting system, you inherently gain a best and worse.
Some might see this as semantics but no, you get a most liked and least liked or most popular and least popular song. Doesn't matter how many people judge something like a song, there's still no such thing as best or worst.

Everyone in here has different reasons for participating. I'm in the group that likes to discover new music across all sorts of genres (excepting EDM which does zilch for me) which is where the love of virgin noms comes from. I like introducing music lovers to stuff that they may not have come across too, so my noms are almost always virginal. It's got nothing to do with what you referred to as "the horror of whoring a song". I don't see the point of people nomming something that I've heard hundreds of times. I'm just as likely to hear that sort of stuff in a shopping centre. That doesn't mean I don't like a lot of popular music, even songs on a MMM playlist, but I love the diversity of music and have developed a broad taste over the years. Limiting myself to familiar tunes would kill me.
 

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Not if they're all wrong. Not if they suck and they have no taste. If I can't bitch about the crappy, overplayed botewhores getting all the votes, then what am I supposed to do? Kick my dog?

I never nom a 'crap unknown song'. They're all awesome. Not my problem if you clowns don't know your arse from your elbow. I never view finishing 20th as proof that I'm wrong. I view it as proof that people aren't really listening. :D They're often just voting on name recognition. (Oooooh! I love that Green Day song! It reminds me of the time on school camp when I got a handjob)
Bahaha - that's exactly how I see it, particularly that last bit.
 

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The problem when a song is nommed more than once is it seems pretty lazy, to me.
I don't mind if it was nommed once, or even twice if it's a really weak playlist, about 100 contests ago. However, once it gets to its 4th nom, then it's overkill, why nom the same songs over and over again? Same with previous winners, if it's already won, why nom it again? If in doubt, check the OP or spreadsheet.
 

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Not if they're all wrong. Not if they suck and they have no taste. If I can't bitch about the crappy, overplayed botewhores getting all the votes, then what am I supposed to do? Kick my dog?

I don't really buy into the whole "whores vs virgins" thing anyway. A nom can be both. I don't have a problem with people botewhoring. I won the Posthumous Releases round with 'Love Will Tear Us Apart' and Bomberboyokay told me to go f**k myself. :eek: I just get a bit exasperated when people nom (or vote up) the same stuff all the time. e.g. Nirvana. That's my beef with song contest. The same bands constantly getting nommed and put on a pedestal.
Doesn't that then just give justification towards having a different theme?

If the song doesn't fit the theme, it shouldn't be counted as a nomination. Having alternative and creative themes allows different songs to be covered.

Sometimes it's justified and deserves a podium. However, most of the time it isn't deserved.
If the song is good enough and if it fits the theme it should be judged fairly. Not on how often it's been nominated previously.

Heart-Shaped Box is not a bad song, but it's not very good song either. Nirvana have a few great tunes, a lot of good tunes and a lot of filler. They were a good band. Maybe even a great band for the times. I just don't think their music really lives up to the full-on hype which always surrounded them. I know people think all their songs are ace, but if you listen to them objectively, they're not that good. There's a bit of Emperor's New Clothes with Kurt Cobain & Nirvana. Their fans carry a torch for them, I think mainly for nostalgia reasons. Nevermind was the soundtrack album of their teenage glory days, getting pissed for the first time, getting laid, etc.
I'm a fan of Nirvana, not a die hard or someone who suggests they are the greatest ever but this is not the time, place or thread to discuss or debate this but I totally agree with you. I think Kurt Cobain would not have had much success outside "smells like teen spirit" and Nevermind

I feel the talent for that album was Butch Vig and how he put the tracks and album together.

This topic could be covered in a thread all by itself.

*look, I'm not trying to cause trouble but if this is a song contest, the song should be fairly treated and judged solely on the music. Remove everything else and simply make it about the song.
 

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Everyone in here has different reasons for participating. I'm in the group that likes to discover new music across all sorts of genres (excepting EDM which does zilch for me) which is where the love of virgin noms comes from. I like introducing music lovers to stuff that they may not have come across too, so my noms are almost always virginal. It's got nothing to do with what you referred to as "the horror of whoring a song". I don't see the point of people nomming something that I've heard hundreds of times. I'm just as likely to hear that sort of stuff in a shopping centre. That doesn't mean I don't like a lot of popular music, even songs on a MMM playlist, but I love the diversity of music and have developed a broad taste over the years. Limiting myself to familiar tunes would kill me.
Look, what you have said is 100% correct and I don't have a problem with what you just said. Like food, tv. Movies - songs are subjective to taste but when the parameters change, the authenticity of the song loses value.
 

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Doesn't that then just give justification towards having a different theme?

If the song doesn't fit the theme, it shouldn't be counted as a nomination. Having alternative and creative themes allows different songs to be covered.
Nuh. It doesn't matter what the theme is, people are going to find a way to work their favourite bands in for a nom. Look no further than edgie and his AC/DC fixation. (Which I don't mind because I share his reverence for the band.) Unless we had specific themes such as female guitarists, black artists or EDM, but most of the themes are word/song title based.

If the song is good enough and if it fits the theme it should be judged fairly. Not on how often it's been nominated previously…. The song should be fairly treated and judged solely on the music. Remove everything else and simply make it about the song.
It's like I said yesterday: we're not measuring distances in the long jump. It's not an exact science. Music is entirely subjective. Not just from one person to the next. I'm talking about ME from one day to the next!!! One day I might listen to the playlist and think Hotel California is a cool tune and pop it in for a vote. On another day, I might listen and think "F**kin Eagles! Why do campaigners nom this shit!"

It all depends on my mood. Particularly so with overplayed botewhores. Song are much more likely to receive a "fair hearing" and an "objective assessment" if it's something I've never heard before, or songs I haven't heard in years. (But that's just me. I can't say what others do.)
 
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I don't mind if it was nommed once, or even twice if it's a really weak playlist, about 100 contests ago. However, once it gets to its 4th nom, then it's overkill, why nom the same songs over and over again? Same with previous winners, if it's already won, why nom it again? If in doubt, check the OP or spreadsheet.
I always check the spreadsheet to see if a song has been nommed before, if it has then I choose something else but that's getting harder as time goes on.
 

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it all depends on my mood. Particularly so with overplayed botewhores. Song are much more likely to receive a "fair hearing" if it's something I've never heard before, or songs I haven't heard in years. (But that's just me. I can't say what others do.)
Fair enough. I guess I'll just try harder to find the right song to get the votes (or billy if it gets to that)
 

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Fair enough. I guess I'll just try harder to find the right song to get the votes (or billy if it gets to that)
I just nom songs I really like and don't really worry about whether I win. Sometimes it's the first thing I think of. Sometimes, I can't think of anything, so I go hunting through my collection and get lost for a couple of hours. Then I listen to the playlist and give votes to the songs I like the best (a totally subjective exercise, although I try to be as objective as possible)
 

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I just nom songs I really like and don't really worry about whether I win. Sometimes it's the first thing I think of. Sometimes, I can't think of anything, so I go hunting through my collection and get lost for a couple of hours. Then I listen to the playlist and give votes to the songs I like the best (a totally subjective exercise, although I try to be as objective as possible)
I have been trying to fit the song to the theme.

Only been knocked back once but I judge them on what I like. Fav to least fav and billy the song I dislike the most
 
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