Toast Sorry Adam

[loki04]

So you further reinforce my point...thank you.

A child is nothing more than a product of its upbringing and the environment it inhabits. The comments were unacceptable and should never have sprung to mind in that split second of madness. There are far more generic insults that can be slung...the ape comment indicates that she has been conditioned and brought up in an environment that perpetuates racist views. If he has to make an example of a 13 yo girl, then so be it...he only does this to make a stand for all those indigenous children that will not make it past the age of 13. Spare me the crocodile tears.

WTF does that have to do with what he did with her? So its ok to cause harm to her because in some remote communities there are sadly children dying early likely due to abuse? and this is her fault? or whites fault? or a product of racism?

What he couldn't of picked a full grown man to make a stand against? and had her educated privately? all clubs track down idiots who do it hell even when its twitter they find them. So dont tell me he couldn't of handled it differently or picked a better target. He copped the boos not for racial targeting but due to his actions against a child.

No ones saying the comment is acceptable but neither was the way he handled it. This is where we differ you see it as righteous work and she deserved it. I see it as poor comments and she needed education and talking to in private. Many others i assume felt the same hence the booing.

 

[Thatsmyname]

That is possible, maybe entirely innocent...Adam’s response and interpretation of the comments are also entirely acceptable. What is not acceptable is the crowd booing him week on week for making a stand, when clearly he has been a victim of racism his entire life.

Like I said, it gained a life of it's own, tell fans not to boo, what are they gonna do?

 

[magpies42]

Like I said, it gained a life of it's own, tell fans not to boo, what are they gonna do?

No doubt, the herd mentality kicks in. Not say all that booed are racist, some just follow the crowd. I think if nothing else this has highlighted that enabling the few that are racist is not ok. Maybe people will think first as a result of this.

 

[sr36]

Let’s just say for that game I can understand, but for it to continue on week on week I cannot.

It’s a cultural thing, I suspect no different to the Maori huka...but I don’t know. There is nothing aggressive about it at all, it is symbolic...

I would think an opposition player flipping the crowd the bird is more offensive.

The footy public got behind Winmar when he took his stand. The footy public got behind Michael Long when he took his stand. Whilst his cause may have been the same, the footy public didn't get behind Adam Goodes. The booing wasn't about his cause. It was about the way he did it. At that stage of his career, he was viewed as a player who pushed boundaries in terms of sniping, yet kept on playing the victim and appealing for free kicks, which is never popular with opposition fans. It was viewed that he pushed his cause in a very similar way, pushing boundaries to incite and then playing the victim when negativity came in his direction. In my view that is the main reason why so many disliked him and why the booing began against him. It then grew as an anti-political correctness protest.

 

[magpies42]

WTF does that have to do with what he did with her? So its ok to cause harm to her because in some remote communities there are sadly children dying early likely due to abuse? and this is her fault? or whites fault? or a product of racism?

What he couldn't of picked a full grown man to make a stand against? and had her educated privately? all clubs track down idiots who do it hell even when its twitter they find them. So dont tell me he couldn't of handled it differently or picked a better target. He copped the boos not for racial targeting but due to his actions against a child.

No ones saying the comment is acceptable but neither was the way he handled it. This is where we differ you see it as righteous work and she deserved it. I see it as poor comments and she needed education and talking to in private. Many others i assume felt the same hence the booing.

I’m pretty sure that Adam acknowledged the fact that it was a child, that was well covered following the incident.

I think the incident has achieved its desired outcome, and hence validates his chosen course of action. Let’s just say the girl was ruined in the way you claim, that is sad and her parents should be held accountable for that. We are a much better society for what Adam did.

And yes it is everybody’s responsibility in a first world, developed, wealthy country to eliminate such fundamental inequalities, and yes this is fundamental issue caused by colonialism.

 

[PicaBoo]

The footy public got behind Winmar when he took his stand. The footy public got behind Michael Long when he took his stand. Whilst his cause may have been the same, the footy public didn't get behind Adam Goodes. The booing wasn't about his cause. It was about the way he did it. At that stage of his career, he was viewed as a player who pushed boundaries in terms of sniping, yet kept on playing the victim and appealing for free kicks, which is never popular with opposition fans. It was viewed that he pushed his cause in a very similar way, pushing boundaries to incite and then playing the victim when negativity came in his direction. In my view that is the main reason why so many disliked him and why the booing began against him. It then grew as an anti-political correctness protest.

And to bring this in perspective: The case of Eddie Betts, he is probably as much racially vilified now as Adam was back then. Social media attest to that.
However the general public loves him. I don't hear much booing when Eddie is on the field.
Of course the PC brigade will say that is because Eddie doesn't push the Indigenous agenda as much as Adam did. To which I say, perhaps Eddie is doing a far better job then Adam.

 

[sr36]

I think the incident has achieved its desired outcome, and hence validates his chosen course of action. Let’s just say the girl was ruined in the way you claim, that is sad and her parents should be held accountable for that. We are a much better society for what Adam did.

Way too Machiavellian for me, even if I could see positive ends . The means of "Let's just say the girl was ruined" for the ends of what? What actually have the ends of Goodes actions been? A little girl being labelled a racist. Thousands of supporters being labelled as racists. A stifling of discussion and the increased dismissal of any dissenting view under the term of racist? An increase in booing at the AFL during and since. They're the only ends that I can see. If anything, by self appointing himself as the spokesperson, and then pushing his cause in a divisive way that appealed to the converted and alienated many others, he actually pushed his cause backwards and gave more voice and power to racism.

 

[loki04]

I’m pretty sure that Adam acknowledged the fact that it was a child, that was well covered following the incident.

I think the incident has achieved its desired outcome, and hence validates his chosen course of action. Let’s just say the girl was ruined in the way you claim, that is sad and her parents should be held accountable for that. We are a much better society for what Adam did.

And yes it is everybody’s responsibility in a first world, developed, wealthy country to eliminate such fundamental inequalities, and yes this is fundamental issue caused by colonialism.

You think they aren't trying to prevent deaths is that why they have all funding, education programs, free health and dental because we as a country sit idly by the by?

What communities are you getting your stats from and forming your opinion? Is it extremely remote communities? Is it city population? Is it rural?

I can only take it your issue is with extreme remote communities and NT policies which we all know needs fixing and overhauling.

3 very different communities with very different access and funding. Which you have put a wide net around all of them in one umbrella.

The issues with systemic and cultural poverty and abuse are faced by all races. The indigenous plight is one and one that also receives the most funding and attention but its not exactly something that can change overnight and needs a joint effort with community leaders to help ellicit change.

 

[loki04]

Also yes weeks later Adam did acknowledge the fact she was a child after the outcry against it.

 

[magpies42]

Way too Machiavellian for me, even if I could see positive ends . The means of "Let's just say the girl was ruined" for the ends of what? What actually have the ends of Goodes actions been? A little girl being labelled a racist. Thousands of supporters being labelled as racists. A stifling of discussion and the increased dismissal of any dissenting view under the term of racist? An increase in booing at the AFL during and since. They're the only ends that I can see. If anything, by self appointing himself as the spokesperson, and then pushing his cause in a divisive way that appealed to the converted and alienated many others, he actually pushed his cause backwards and gave more voice and power to racism.

I can respect your view and your argument, even though I don’t agree entirely.

 

[magpies42]

You think they aren't trying to prevent deaths is that why they have all funding, education programs, free health and dental because we as a country sit idly by the by?

What communities are you getting your stats from and forming your opinion? Is it extremely remote communities? Is it city population? Is it rural?

I can only take it your issue is with extreme remote communities and NT policies which we all know needs fixing and overhauling.

3 very different communities with very different access and funding. Which you have put a wide net around all of them in one umbrella.

The issues with systemic and cultural poverty and abuse are faced by all races. The indigenous plight is one and one that also receives the most funding and attention but its not exactly something that can change overnight and needs a joint effort with community leaders to help ellicit change.

yes there is plenty of funding, probably too much in my view. I think the issue is a lack of cultural awareness, I think in years to come we will look back at this and recognise that it furthered (rather than hindered) the cause for equality. I don’t know what the solution is to the problem within indigenous communities and with individuals, all I know is that the ‘gap’ is widening in most key areas. Indigenous men live on average 20 years less than the rest of the population, they are more likely to commit suicide and have substance abuse issues, violence and sexual assault is rife. We can say yeah, we throw money at the problem, but there has to be more to it...the funding is not making a difference.

I am by no means a lefty, I am firmly against most motions coming from that side of the social and political spectrum. I do feel like a disproportionate amount of attention is afforded to first world problems (e.g. wage and marriage equality), perhaps Adam has tried to redirect that attention back to more fundamental and important issues.

 

[sr36]

yes there is plenty of funding, probably too much in my view. I think the issue is a lack of cultural awareness, I think in years to come we will look back at this and recognise that it furthered (rather than hindered) the cause for equality. I don’t know what the solution is to the problem within indigenous communities and with individuals, all I know is that the ‘gap’ is widening in most key areas. Indigenous men live on average 20 years less than the rest of the population, they are more likely to commit suicide and have substance abuse issues, violence and sexual assault is rife. We can say yeah, we throw money at the problem, but there has to be more to it...the funding is not making a difference.

I am by no means a lefty, I am firmly against most motions coming from that side of the social and political spectrum. I do feel like a disproportionate amount of attention is afforded to first world problems (e.g. wage and marriage equality), perhaps Adam has tried to redirect that attention back to more fundamental and important issues.

Inequality is a massively significant issue. And kudos to Goodes for attempting to play a part. Hopefully he has some success in the future, but I also hope he doesn't try to fly solo again and gets the backing of some quality advisors, becasue I do think he butchered things last time.

 

[Thatsmyname]

No doubt, the herd mentality kicks in. Not say all that booed are racist, some just follow the crowd. I think if nothing else this has highlighted that enabling the few that are racist is not ok. Maybe people will think first as a result of this.

Look around you, there's a white supremacist in the white house, Farage came within a whisker of winning an election, that's better than Hitler's first try, oh and the 4th largest democracy was recently taken over by a racist dictator. It's on the rise worldwide! I have no idea why, dwindling resources and limited living conditions forcing migration, the masters of the universe perpetuating their most profitable business, war? who knows? But the old beast has reared it's head again and those that do not know their history are doomed to be slaughtered by it!

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/06/Fascism-Warning-Madeleine-Albright-review

 

[Kappa]

https://www.theage.com.au/sport/afl...ts-pies-over-goodes-film-20190609-p51w03.html

Good to see Eddie and the club making a positive step towards acknowledging the racist treatment of Adam Goodes in his final couple of years.

Ed’s comments at the time were a real low point in our club’s history. At least we seem to be on the right path now.

Eddie's comments were a crude smart arse joke gone wrong, it was not a racist attack on Goodes and was not a low point in Collingwoods 150 years.

 

[Kappa]

Look around you, there's a white supremacist in the white house, Farage came within a whisker of winning an election, that's better than Hitler's first try, oh and the 4th largest democracy was recently taken over by a racist dictator. It's on the rise worldwide! I have no idea why, dwindling resources and limited living conditions forcing migration, the masters of the universe perpetuating their most profitable business, war? who knows? But the old beast has reared it's head again and those that do not know their history are doomed to be slaughtered by it!

https://www.newstatesman.com/culture/books/2018/06/Fascism-Warning-Madeleine-Albright-review

"Reared its head again"? Err, what? Racism has always been around, it didn't disappear then just appear recently. The foundation that racism is built on is actually a survival instinct deeply ingrained into humans (and other animals) so sadly it won't be going anyway anytime soon, if ever.

The best way to deal with it is to just treat everyone the same. Nowadays people are too scared to boo an indigenous player even if it's warranted and that only serves to further alienate indigenous people and divide the community. The SJW agenda. I hope that people with genuinely racist intentions get punished, but the majority of people are sick and tired of SJW's trying to act like they are the voice of the people. (That's why Trump got elected)


The vast majority of the booing came after people were told to stop booing Goodes by an authority, go figure.

 

[jmac70]

Eddie's comments were a crude smart arse joke gone wrong, it was not a racist attack on Goodes and was not a low point in Collingwoods 150 years.

Ed recognises the impact his comments had both to Adam and the Aboriginal community. Hence his decision to make himself available to answer questions about it. I congratulate him for taking this approach.

 

[Thatsmyname]

"Reared its head again"? Err, what? Racism has always been around

I was referring to fascism, not racism... they tend to go hand in hand though I'll grant you

 

[Baltimore Jack]

I apologise to the mods. I saw the article and was happy to think we as a club were doing something right.
Should have know better than starting a thread about it.

I think by posting it makes a couple of strong points

It highlights the issue

And

It allows us to see the racist pigs

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I think Goodes was originally booed for being a knob. However that booing clearly provided a refuge for the racist people in our midst to pile on without fear of being called out, at which point it should have been stopped.

I’m keen to see the documentary though to get a better understanding, providing the aforesaid knobbery doesn’t make me want to claw my eyes out first. We shall see.

 

[jmac70]

I think Goodes was originally booed for being a knob. However that booing clearly provided a refuge for the racist people in our midst to pile on without fear of being called out, at which point it should have been stopped.

I’m keen to see the documentary though to get a better understanding, providing the aforesaid knobbery doesn’t make me want to claw my eyes out first. We shall see.

What exactly was his “knob” behaviour?

 

[Kappa]

I think by posting it makes a couple of strong points

It highlights the issue

And

It allows us to see the racist pigs

Are you allowed to call fellow supporters racist pigs?

Are you going to post proof?

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

On behalf of the English cricket community I apologise to Steve Smith.

 

[jmac70]

Are you allowed to call fellow supporters racist pigs?

Are you going to post proof?

I don’t think any of us want to re-live the posts that have been deleted from this thread. Certainly the worst I have read in my time here.

 

[Bad Horse]

I don’t think any of us want to re-live the posts that have been deleted from this thread. Certainly the worst I have read in my time here.

This place sometimes. The SRP septic has started to overflow and will bring down the whole site if they aren't careful.

 

[Kappa]

I don’t think any of us want to re-live the posts that have been deleted from this thread. Certainly the worst I have read in my time here.

I'm sure those posters got banned then for posting blatantly racist comments, I must of missed them.