South Africa v India (3 Test matches, 3 ODIs)

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Lyon's weird as far as spinners go. If you look at his career stats, you'll find he's more likely to take a wicket on days 1 and 2 or in conditions that don't suit a traditional spinner, but less likely to take a wicket on day 5. He - essentially - averages better on days 1,2, and 3 than he does on day 4-5.

The question I've got for you: do you prefer having him take wickets while the quicks are at their best - ie, he helps us build first innings dominance - or would you take him being genuinely anemic in the first dig if it meant he was Graeme Swann in the fourth innings?
He started to bowled us to victory on 5th day a few years ago with home Test against New Zealand and Pakistan and can't recall when he has done this since when you thought he would have done this more regularly as he was entering his prime.
 

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Just saw Polly, he's going a bit spare on top, got to chat to him when SA were playing in a warm up game at UWA for the Aus v SA series in 2005/06, great bloke.

I saw Jacques Kallis hit a 6 near where I was sitting at Allan Border field during a warm up game on that same tour before the ODI tri series,
 

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Have they been doing the same to India, carefully watching how they shine the ball? (Or any touring side for that matter)

I'm not really sure, but I heard Kohli talking about Supersport something something from the stump mic in the second day before this sh*t happened on the 3rd day, but couldn't hear properly because Nicholas and Pollock were rambling about something else in commentary.
 

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People trying to say kohli has some legit point here are seriously delusional, the ball tracking is run by separate company not supersport but the ones running it decided for some unexplained reason to plan out a conspiracy to help SA win a test and they planned this out in advance knowing lbws would be such a vital part of this test which of course was obvious going into this innings when SA had got 0 indians out lbw on this very bouncy deck?

Kohli just lost his rag because a close call went against his side, no grand conspiracy india just lost control of their emotions in a tight game and acted like children.
 
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India need to move on from Pujara, Rahane and Aggarwal. I don't think Umesh Yadav should've played this test either. We have players but they need opportunity. A side I'd like to see moving forward is something similar to this:

1. Rohit
2. KL
3. Gill
4. Kohli
5. Iyer
6. Pant
7. Jaddu/Ashwin
8. Thakur
9. Shami
10. Bumrah
11. Siraj/Sharma

Mayank has failed outside of India, time to move on. Rohit is a good opener, albeit old. KL/Gill are our future and I like them in the top order for team balance. Iyer is suited to the middle order. Depending on conditions I would play 2 of Jaddu/Ashwin/Thakur, only in India would I play all 3 with Thakur being the 3rd seamer. Shami/Bumrah are our best 2 bowling options and a lethal combination. Siraj/Sharma should battle for 3rd seamer spot in most conditions.

That looks a boody good team tbh. Kholi will captain in tests to the end yeah? Very hard to imagine him passing it on...
Excited for SA too, someone on here wrote Peterson off after two tests (bagging Bavuma at the same time) and if I was vindictive I'd find the post but better to enjoy his batting: he looks a beauty. Bavuma is heart and soul. vdD not convinced but he can hang around at least. Markram either find form or find someone else. Bring on this winter and next summer!
 
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something didnt seem right looking at that on replay, and i actually thought it was out looking at 1st time.

Sometime you just kinda know that it's out: everyone who knows cricket does. They just look plumb. And Erasmus is not one to give easy lbws. They behaved badly but I don't see how that wasn't out.
 

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England losing is never really a shock except for a couple of years in the Flower era.
Were you talking the one in 09 when they got rolled for 50 in the 1st test and then they produced dead pitches for the next 4 tests or the most recent one series there?
The most recent seties, but you're probably right that it wasn't that much of a shock. But the Windies had been really, really average in Test cricket for about decade by then.
 

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Not an upset at all, was always going to be a close series.

Yeah, SA have lost some batting but their bowling stocks have always been top notch. If Rabada fires (as he did) he can run through any side

And now they've discovered a brilliant young left-armer? And Ngidi who is also a gun?

Who needs batting when your bowling attack is so good

Also proves Nortje is overrated
Lol

How is Nortje overrated. Because they have other good bowlers it somehow makes him overrated?
 

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Sometime you just kinda know that it's out: everyone who knows cricket does. They just look plumb. And Erasmus is not one to give easy lbws. They behaved badly but I don't see how that wasn't out.

wasn't there one very next over that pitched on same spot and actually bounced over the stumps?

All you want from drs is a consistent system and it is, it's not like SA got bunch of lbw's go their way the suddenly when indian bowl hawkeye shows way more bounce than during their batting innings so what exactly is the issue?
 
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wasn't there one very next over that pitched on same spot and actually bounced over the stumps?

All you want from drs is a consistent system and it is, it's not like SA got bunch of lbw's go their way the suddenly when indian bowl hawkeye shows way more bounce than during their batting innings so what exactly is the issue?
I heard an expert say that the side on vision had it tracking over the stumps.
 

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Unsurprisingly no fines much less bans for those comments by the senior Indian players, think PhatBoy called it that they would get off on the technicality that it was aimed at the broadcaster even if there are general clauses that cover bringing the sport into disrepute or slagging those associated with the match.

Swearing at yourself = not okay
Accusing officials of cheating = okay

Glad that South Africa won.
 

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People trying to say kohli has some legit point here are seriously delusional, the ball tracking is run by separate company not supersport but the ones running it decided for some unexplained reason to plan out a conspiracy to help SA win a test and they planned this out in advance knowing lbws would be such a vital part of this test which of course was obvious going into this innings when SA had got 0 indians out lbw on this very bouncy deck?

Kohli just lost his rag because a close call went against his side, no grand conspiracy india just lost control of their emotions in a tight game and acted like children.

Correct, no country can doctor the DRS individually, claiming that to be the case is conspiracy on the level some wack job American republicans would be proud of.
 

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Ha ha wot?
... okay.

There's a difference in the degree to which some nations get LBW's compared to others.

Either nations like England, Sri Lanka, NZ are exceptional at producing taller bowlers who can get the ball to shoot through as though they were a good 5-10 cm shorter, or some nations - WI, Australia, SA are disadvantaged in hawkeye because of the bounce they get from their height.

Pick which you prefer.
 

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Kohli standing up for the Australian cricket team for the injustices meted out to them in South Africa by Supersport and CSA by making himself the villain. He is not the hero Australia wants, but it desperately needs.

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P.S.: Hope you beat the infection and recover soon.
Don't think it's so overt or selfless as all that.

Thanks.
 

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... okay.

There's a difference in the degree to which some nations get LBW's compared to others.

Either nations like England, Sri Lanka, NZ are exceptional at producing taller bowlers who can get the ball to shoot through as though they were a good 5-10 cm shorter, or some nations - WI, Australia, SA are disadvantaged in hawkeye because of the bounce they get from their height.

Pick which you prefer.

Is there data analysis that compares bowler heights vs successful DRS lbw appeals on the same pitches across the world?
 

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if there was one thing which I think DRS may have had in that Kohli rant, was the delivery was from Ashwin- who for spinner standards is a relatively tall bowler (1.88 metres)

im not sure if that was factored into account in the LBW dismissal. The trajectory would have been different if it was say from an Adam Zampa (1.75 metres)
 

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Is there data analysis that compares bowler heights vs successful DRS lbw appeals on the same pitches across the world?
Not that I'm aware of, and I get the general impression the ICC haven't really wanted to look too hard at the DRS, and especially not at hawkeye.

For whatever reason, some countries seem to produce tall fast bowlers at an increased rate, and those tall fast bowler struggle to convince the technology that the ball would not bounce over the stumps when reviewed. I can remember any number of balls from Jason Holder - whose speciality as a bowler is getting some to skid on as well as others to kick - where hawkeye's prediction had the ball going over when no way was it going to.

I'm not an expert in the technology, but one does not need to be to recognise that a) it has flaws in prediction, and b) the degree of uncertainty is not adequately depicted at present.

Why you would keep people in the dark? I don't know, but I have some theories.
 

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I think we are not far from the day when we would see more transparency in how DRS and Hawkeye technology works. Like you could have a future where once a team reviews a decision, you could have a live coverage from inside the truck on how the decisions are made.

Of course, we will have no idea if it's telecast now, but probably it could become more transparent in the future and the general cricket fan would have a basic idea of how the tracking is made.
 

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Not that I'm aware of, and I get the general impression the ICC haven't really wanted to look too hard at the DRS, and especially not at hawkeye.

For whatever reason, some countries seem to produce tall fast bowlers at an increased rate, and those tall fast bowler struggle to convince the technology that the ball would not bounce over the stumps when reviewed. I can remember any number of balls from Jason Holder - whose speciality as a bowler is getting some to skid on as well as others to kick - where hawkeye's prediction had the ball going over when no way was it going to.

I'm not an expert in the technology, but one does not need to be to recognise that a) it has flaws in prediction, and b) the degree of uncertainty is not adequately depicted at present.

Why you would keep people in the dark? I don't know, but I have some theories.

I'm sure you do.
 

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