Spangher

[Lach72]

Whose spot would he take in our side?

The runner?

He's shit

 

[Lach72]

Spangher sounds like Everitt

If you mean Kenny, you'd be correct

 

[Play by Numbers]

I still can't believe you are a mod Lach. Whats happened to this place, who is in charge, where is the order. It is chaos!

 

[INSIGHT]

This is getting beyond the joke now (not having a go specifically at you Insight).

Every year we search other teams lists for KPFs that have been overlooked and every year we fail to realise that there is a reason why these players aren't playing for their clubs.

They are not good enough!

Damon White, Tim Boyle, Adam Campbell are all most likely going to be delisted by years end. They were last years crop of no-hoper suggestions. This year its Marcus Drum, Cameron Cloke, etc. We have better young key position players on our list now.

.Can someone please name me one team who has a great key position forward that they didn't draft. It just doesn't happen unless the forward is already a proven commodity. So unless you want to give up Cooney and/or Griffen and Higgins for a Pavlich or a Fevola, we need to have patience with some of the young blokes and hope we can steal one with a midget forward line.

I was not suggesting we should be recruit him but surely if it is correct that he wants to come back to Melbourne he is looked at by our recruiters if he ticks the boxes and we and get a deal done fine if he is not considered to be good enough to recruit give him a miss. Nothing lost we must do this all the time with heaps of players.

Our problem is that Scott Clayton was and A grade recruiter of midfielders and a C to D recruiter of talls. There still big question marks on our young tall forwards particularly Grant if I can believe other posters on this board he is miles away and this is his second season. You would expect if he was going to be a topliner he would have a least be playing 5 to 8 games this season


In answer to your question Barry Hall and even Cam Mooney although not great but would be handy they were recruited not drafted.

We are simply not going to trade one of our top line mids for a Pavlich or Fevola

 

[Sedat!]

From what I understand, there are couple of Vic clubs very interested in him and are making enquiries, neither of which are the Bulldogs.

IMO Spangher will end up being quite a good versatile mobile defender. Has plenty of courage and shows a willingness to run and carry, which is unusual for a young defender - overall game needs a tweak here and there but has some good tools. It's worth nothing that Shaggy wasn't exactly a model of consistency until he hit 24.

 

[Jimmy_the_Gent]

From what I understand, there are couple of Vic clubs very interested in him and are making enquiries, neither of which are the Bulldogs.

Out of curiosity, who are these other clubs?

 

[immortalmike]

I was not suggesting we should be recruit him but surely if it is correct that he wants to come back to Melbourne he is looked at by our recruiters if he ticks the boxes and we and get a deal done fine if he is not considered to be good enough to recruit give him a miss. Nothing lost we must do this all the time with heaps of players.

Our problem is that Scott Clayton was and A grade recruiter of midfielders and a C to D recruiter of talls. There still big question marks on our young tall forwards particularly Grant if I can believe other posters on this board he is miles away and this is his second season. You would expect if he was going to be a topliner he would have a least be playing 5 to 8 games this season


In answer to your question Barry Hall and even Cam Mooney although not great but would be handy they were recruited not drafted.

We are simply not going to trade one of our top line mids for a Pavlich or Fevola

Actually considering Grant had OP for most of last year this should be considered more of an extended first year. If he doesn't play 8ish games next year then I'd start to worry.

It's a myth that Barry Hall and Cam Mooney were cheap. Sydney gave up their first three draft picks 13 (Dal Santo), 21 (Matt Maguire) and 45 (traded for Trent Knobel). The Cats gave up Leigh Colbert (who admittedly wanted to leave) and pick 53.

In other words these guys were already proven senior contributors if not stars (although a case could be made for Hall). They would be more akin to trading for a Brad Miller or a Justin Koschitzke than a Drum or Spangher i.e. regular senior players rather than players playing reserves footy.

Oh, and I was not advocating raiding our midfield for a trade but rather having patience with the young guys.

 

[Sedat!]

Out of curiosity, who are these other clubs?

Can't say (I know, sounds like a wank). Won't be hard to join the dots as to which clubs have depth deficiences down back. Coasters are keen to keep him.

 

[The Original Swooper]

^^^^Double post. Actually if the Bulldogs were looking to snatch one of our players I would think it would be Callum Wilson.....

Selected at FF this week. We must have a gander.

hooroo....

 

[Play by Numbers]

Selected at FF this week. We must have a gander.

hooroo....

Hahahahaha it is his first game of AFL so not huge expectations just yet .

Something about him reminds me of a slightly smaller version of Hawkins but he manages to get more of the ball and be effective in other areas.

I think the biggest challenge in his first couple of games will be to get used to the pace of AFL and kicking under the increased pressure and with limited opportunities.

Hopefully he gets a few games and does really well. One unusual thing to note is he seems to be a very good wet weather player.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Wilson is good enough. Has shown more at WAFL level than our other forwards. Is still very you and probably has quite a bit more potential as a KP defender than Spangher. Our problem was list space, where we had no room to elevate him and a lot of young KP players coming through (Kennedy, Brown, Mckenzie). Since playing forward this season has been excellent with 5-6 goals in each match but more importantly getting quite a few marks 20 odd possessions and having 10 odd shots on goal. He has just been elevated for Shuey who has been put on the LTI and I am sure most Eagles fans at the moment would be wholeheartedly against trading him. The only reason why I think it would be a good fit for you guys is he is competing against Mitch Brown and Kennedy for a spot and both look very likely types. Add to that our frustrating obsession with Hansen (who knows we may just be giving him a last chance) and it may be difficult for him despite his potential.

Now THATS a Freudian. I know you meant to type "still very young", but I'll take the "you" as an omen!...

 

[Play by Numbers]

Now THATS a Freudian. I know you meant to type "still very young", but I'll take the "you" as an omen!...

Oh craps! Hey you may change your mind after this week. Great in the WAFL may not translate.

Stage fright and the increased pace will be big hurdles in his first few matches but he seems to really hungry for a spot so I think he has that in his favour.

 

[The Original Swooper]

Oh craps! Hey you may change your mind after this week. Great in the WAFL may not translate.

Stage fright and the increased pace will be big hurdles in his first few matches but he seems to really hungry for a spot so I think he has that in his favour.

Even better. He can show us all NEXT week what potential he has, when he visits the Dome, and meets Mr. Lake...

hooroo.... btw... appreciate your open mindedness... were you raised in Victoria?...

 

[Play by Numbers]

Even better. He can show us all NEXT week what potential he has, when he visits the Dome, and meets Mr. Lake...

hooroo.... btw... appreciate your open mindedness... were you raised in Victoria?...

Oh dear I live in Victoria.

Half my family are here and I have lived on and off in Melbourne for quite a few years.

Yeah hopefully they pull the old switcharoo and shuffle the forward line so Lake ends up playing on Kennedy. Wilson already has to face one/all of Fletcher, Pears or Hurley this week, though I am sure the kid is up to it.

 

[murphy2bedabest]

The games I have seen Spangher play for the West Coast, he doesn't look like a world beater I have to say.

IMO it is a waste of time going after players that can't get a game with their team that may be a 1 in 10 chance of becoming a better player with us. I would rather put the time and energy into the young KPP's we have at the moment and make sure that we develop them, and they don't stagnate. That should be our primary focus.

Unless the player from another club is a proven player or a huge chance of making an impact, IMO it is self defeating. We give up a third round draft choice for a third stringer, and they are delisted in two years. Where is the benefit in that?

Zac Dawson? or even lesser Farren Ray? what if St Kilda didn't give them ago? where would they be as a side? some players just seem to take that next step at another club, new thoughts new Ideas.

Now im not saying this will happen with Spangher but someone to look at.

 

[Borgsta]

Zac Dawson? or even lesser Farren Ray? what if St Kilda didn't give them ago? where would they be as a side? some players just seem to take that next step at another club, new thoughts new Ideas.

Now im not saying this will happen with Spangher but someone to look at.

Farren Ray was getting a game in our team. And they would be first without those 2 without a doubt. They'd still be undefeated.

 

[The Boy From Brasil]

Zac Dawson? or even lesser Farren Ray? what if St Kilda didn't give them ago? where would they be as a side? some players just seem to take that next step at another club, new thoughts new Ideas.

Now im not saying this will happen with Spangher but someone to look at.

Yes, but what are the odds of players who are not good enough to make it at another club, coming and playing great football at our club. For every 1 Zac Dawson, there may be 10 Andrew Mc Dougall or Trent Bartlett's. Generally, they are not playing senior football at their current club for a reason.

I am not saying that we don't look at every player available. It is good to keep an open mind. But personally, unless there is a good chance of success with the traded player and being a valuable player in our side I can't see the point of taking the gamble and wasting draft picks and spots on our list. IMO draft spots are like gold, and we should be extremely careful if we decide to trade them to another club. Also remember that Zac Dawson was a rookie selection and St Kilda didn't use a draft selection on him.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Selected at FF this week. We must have a gander.

hooroo....

Callum Wilson looked good in his first game of AFL football.

But so did our forward line (by our standards), actually looked reasonably settled or like it had some structure at points throughout the match.

If he cntinues to improve, it might not only displace Hansen from the side but also Lynch.

Still there is a good chance he will play a couple more ok games, yet be unable to be permanently upgraded or perhaps be a chance for a trade at seasons end.