Spoon 2010

[Wonaeamirri33]

Exactly... aside from being WRONG in his malarkies here, "Gibbanator" is well and truly exposed for his hypocrisy on that subject, I think it's safe to say.

 

[tesseract]

It's a toss up between Melspoon and Richmond. Port and Freo have a big home ground advantage and will win enough games at home to keep themselves from a spoon.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Whoever finishes last will be seething. - A spoon and no number 1 draft pick. I think we should start to see the Demons resurgence this year. Scully and Trengrove will have an immediate impact at that club.

Very true... and we should finally be able to put a stronger team on the field from our current squad too, given that it's very unlikely that we'll have the same injury troubles we did this year and last...

 

[willoblue]

imo

16th tigers
15th port power
14th demons
13th west coast
12th bombers
11th kangas

not 2 offend anybody, that is just how i see it.
hope your team (except WC) can prove me wrong

 

[EagleMan87]

imo

16th tigers
15th port power
14th demons
13th west coast
12th bombers
11th kangas

not 2 offend anybody, that is just how i see it.
hope your team (except WC) can prove me wrong

lol

Care to explain why West Coast and Essendon would drop so much?

 

[willoblue]

lol

Care to explain why West Coast and Essendon would drop so much?

sure

now it is not so much a matter of these teams getting worse, but more so that the teams who finished lower than them have more upside imo for 2010.
we'll start with essendon, there seems a lack of cohesiveness as has been evidenced by the failure 2 sign a couple of players & losing an important player in Lovett. it is more a feeling and yes i do realise that i am a distance away from essendon. Yes, Hille will return and very good ruckman that he is, Ryder did a fantastic job & may drop a bit if his responsibility is diminished. I have concerns for a Lloyd & Lucas less forward line despite Lucas having not much impact this year. Hurley looks a jet, but Fletcher, champion that he has been is surely ready 2 move on. Their midfield seems overly reliant on Watson & if he is closed down, they struggle.
ok west coast. of their 4 best players, coz, kerr, glass & lecras (who should have been AA) only lecras is in his prime. i know glass won the b & f but he was a long way off the best full back in the AFL, not like in the past. i think because the ball came down more often he was in the play more. he just looks tired to me. kerr was a brilliant player when Judd took the best 2 tags & cousins was running around there as well, but he looks a man burdened by expectation. lecras is very good. cox seems to be breaking down more often and imo is not in the top 3 of ruckmen in the league. (big call i know) i rate cox as a player, but as a ruckman he gets hitouts, then runs around as an outside midfielder. compare him 2 Brad Ottens or Aaron Sandilands who both get their hands dirty with strong second efforts & a willingness to protect their little men. i see cox as being fed by his little men, not the other way around. of the rest, priddis wastes his disposals & only taylor swift & josh kennedy really impress me. that kennedy is really good.

so those are my reasons

 

[Smyth94]

sure

now it is not so much a matter of these teams getting worse, but more so that the teams who finished lower than them have more upside imo for 2010.
we'll start with essendon, there seems a lack of cohesiveness as has been evidenced by the failure 2 sign a couple of players & losing an important player in Lovett. it is more a feeling and yes i do realise that i am a distance away from essendon. Yes, Hille will return and very good ruckman that he is, Ryder did a fantastic job & may drop a bit if his responsibility is diminished. I have concerns for a Lloyd & Lucas less forward line despite Lucas having not much impact this year. Hurley looks a jet, but Fletcher, champion that he has been is surely ready 2 move on. Their midfield seems overly reliant on Watson & if he is closed down, they struggle.

Lack of cohesiveness? That's not the right word, this sort of stuff happens at clubs every year. Do you believe everything that is written in the papers? Welsh and McPhee have been overseas so how do you know they're leaving?

Lovett is a massive loss - granted

Lloyd and Lucas will be a loss, however I would argue that we were better off without Lucas in the side - we also ended St. Kilda's streak without the two. I'm quitely confident the trio of Neagle, Williams and Gumbleton (or Hurley) will be adequate replacements.

RE: Fletcher, maybe you are just expecting Fletcher to drop off because you've just looked at his age but he finished 2nd in our B'n'F and missed 6 games due to a fractured leg. Granted that he is nearing the end of his career but he's unique in that he hasn't lost his speed and I will back him to have another top season.

You've seemed to gloss over the fact that it was our players on the younger side of 25 that got us into the finals..Watson, Winderlich, Lovett, Pears, Ryder, Hocking, Prismall, Hurley, Slattery, Dempsey etc etc

Winderlich, Pears, Reimers, Hurley, Welsh, McVeigh, Hille, Prismall ALL had limited preseasons - assuming that these blokes have an injury free pre-season then thats already a massive advantage we have from last year.

 

[willoblue]

Lack of cohesiveness? That's not the right word, this sort of stuff happens at clubs every year. Do you believe everything that is written in the papers? Welsh and McPhee have been overseas so how do you know they're leaving?

Lovett is a massive loss - granted

Lloyd and Lucas will be a loss, however I would argue that we were better off without Lucas in the side - we also ended St. Kilda's streak without the two. I'm quitely confident the trio of Neagle, Williams and Gumbleton (or Hurley) will be adequate replacements.

RE: Fletcher, maybe you are just expecting Fletcher to drop off because you've just looked at his age but he finished 2nd in our B'n'F and missed 6 games due to a fractured leg. Granted that he is nearing the end of his career but he's unique in that he hasn't lost his speed and I will back him to have another top season.

You've seemed to gloss over the fact that it was our players on the younger side of 25 that got us into the finals..Watson, Winderlich, Lovett, Pears, Ryder, Hocking, Prismall, Hurley, Slattery, Dempsey etc etc

Winderlich, Pears, Reimers, Hurley, Welsh, McVeigh, Hille, Prismall ALL had limited preseasons - assuming that these blokes have an injury free pre-season then thats already a massive advantage we have from last year.

all of your points are valid, but mine is a gut feeling (& my gut is quite substantial but i am working on it).
every year some teams slide & some jump up & it is not just the younger teams who jump up or don't slide.
you have not mentioned Davey who i think will be a good addition, but imo some of the guys you have mentioned are not A grade AFL footballers.
i do rate Hurley, Ryder, McVeigh, Hille & Gumbleton (potentially) very highly but i question the quality of the depth players.
only my opinion mind you

 

[Smyth94]

all of your points are valid, but mine is a gut feeling (& my gut is quite substantial but i am working on it).
every year some teams slide & some jump up & it is not just the younger teams who jump up or don't slide.
you have not mentioned Davey who i think will be a good addition, but imo some of the guys you have mentioned are not A grade AFL footballers.
i do rate Hurley, Ryder, McVeigh, Hille & Gumbleton (potentially) very highly but i question the quality of the depth players.
only my opinion mind you

Well think about it logically, if a team had 22 A graders then they'd never lose a game.

Every team has/needs players that do their jobs week-in and week-out, irregardless of whether or not they are A graders or not.

Besides, looking at our list - yeah you're right we don't have any A-graders...although Watson is probably there, there are a few on our list who are on the cusp of becoming A graders, namely Ryder and Winderlich. Then there's a host of kids who have the potential to become A grade in the coming years - Pears, Hurley, Reimers, Zaharakis, Dempsey, Gumbleton

I'd be worried if all these players were on the wrong side of 25 with limited improvement left in them, but as it stands they've got a stack of improvement left and I believe it is this improvement which will see us make a 2nd successive finals performance (notwithstanding injuries to key players).

 

[Jade]

imo

16th tigers
15th port power
14th demons
13th west coast
12th bombers
11th kangas

not 2 offend anybody, that is just how i see it.
hope your team (except WC) can prove me wrong

Yeah maybe. I can see us (Bombers) anywhere from 4th to 12th depending on how our midfield and forward line prospects progress.

I'd be suprised if West Coast finished that low, they certainly were beginning to show something from mid to late year, but I certainly wouldn't rule it out completely.

Probably right about Richmond and Port, Tigers are right at the bottom of what will be a complete rebuild (though I do think Hardwick will take them in the right direction).

Port are a RABBLE off-field in a number of ways, which is hardly conducive to a good on field performance, and their list is far from impressive. Whilst I don't necessarily peg them for last, of the teams listed they would be the ones that would most suprise me most by making the finals.

 

[tesseract]

West Coast had a shit year in 2009, and yet still managed to finish 11th. WC will have an improved year in 2010, so I don't see them going backwoods.
With Cox and Kerr coming back into the 22, and the youngsters improving, a finish somewhere from 6th-10th is what I predict for the Eagles.

 

[Jimi]

Yeah maybe. I can see us (Bombers) anywhere from 4th to 12th depending on how our midfield and forward line prospects progress.

Bombers have about as much chance of finishing fourth as the Demons do of making the eight.

 

[a_fighting_fury]

If the demons come last again, people will be out for blood..

Surely the Demons wouldnt tank for the 3rd year in a row!

Port or Freo next year... or quite possibly the Tigers

 

[demon48]

imo

16th tigers
15th port power
14th demons
13th west coast
12th bombers
11th kangas

not 2 offend anybody, that is just how i see it.
hope your team (except WC) can prove me wrong

While we're at it, care to explain why Fremantle will finish 10th or higher?

 

[EagleMan87]

ok west coast. of their 4 best players, coz, kerr, glass & lecras (who should have been AA) only lecras is in his prime.

Cox and Glass will be 28 next season, Kerr 26 and LeCras 23, of those I expect Glass and Cox to start sliding . Compare that to your best players in Pavlich, Haselby, Sandilands and McPharlin, who will all be 28 next season. Yet you seem to think only our older players going to drop off?

i know glass won the b & f but he was a long way off the best full back in the AFL, not like in the past. i think because the ball came down more often he was in the play more.
he just looks tired to me.

No fact whatsoever in this part. Glass had a much better season this year and is still in the top 3 fullbacks in the comp.

kerr was a brilliant player when Judd took the best 2 tags & cousins was running around there as well, but he looks a man burdened by expectation.

True, he isn't a leader and definately struggles with a tag. Can only hope our younger mids can start standing up and taking the pressure off him, but wary ATM.

lecras is very good. cox seems to be breaking down more often and imo is not in the top 3 of ruckmen in the league. (big call i know) i rate cox as a player, but as a ruckman he gets hitouts, then runs around as an outside midfielder. compare him 2 Brad Ottens or Aaron Sandilands who both get their hands dirty with strong second efforts & a willingness to protect their little men. i see cox as being fed by his little men, not the other way around.

Cox has only broken down once and that was this season because of a major groin problem. However that has been treated and he should be back to his best.
On your second point I agree to an extent, he definately runs off the packs to recieve rather than putting his body on the line, but then that's been his role since 2005 and it's worked- just as long as there's quality around him.

of the rest, priddis wastes his disposals & only taylor swift & josh kennedy really impress me. that kennedy is really good.

Masten, Ebert, Scott Selwood, Naitanui, McKenzie, Brown, Hurn. If you honestly don't rate any of those players then it's clear that you know sweet f**k all about our list.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Bombers have about as much chance of finishing fourth as the Demons do of making the eight.

I'd say the Bombers have significantly less chance than that mate

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

Masten, Ebert, Scott Selwood, Naitanui, McKenzie, Brown, Hurn. If you honestly don't rate any of those players then it's clear that you know sweet f**k all about our list.

I've got to back you up there EM87

Identify with that sentiment too, the amount of completely uninformed comments running down players on our list has been truly immense.

If they really believe their own posts, then clearly they have virtually no knowledge about football at all, let alone their spectacular lack of knowledge about us.

Hopefully we'll be able to really humiliate some folks for their ludicrous claims next year - VERY confident about that too

 

[nuttinbutapeanut]

The demons have the spoon sewn up, havent shown anything to say they have improved in the last 2 years and are going no where fast with their spud of a coach. But aside from the obvious it should go:
16 - melbspud
15 - freo
The rest can toss a coin

 

[gibbanator]

Melspud is a derogatory term and does not put potatoes in a good light.

 

[King_Tredrea]

anyone saying Port is doing so because they would like to see it happen, not because they think it could happen.

 

[LowHP]

I honestly think the Swans will come last, if not second last.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

anyone saying Port is doing so because they would like to see it happen, not because they think it could happen.

Which is exactly the same reason why the various nuffies who keep repetitively saying us are doing so, of course. Almost as if they say it enough times, it might somehow increase the miniscule chance of this actually happening.

That and to childishly troll, as with the likes of "Gibbanator" - who wants to have it both ways as well, by claiming that we were "tanking" in finishing where we did this season, and then turning around and contradicting himself seconds later in saying that we won't overtake anyone.

Not to mention, that, being a Carlton supporter, throwing tanking claims at another club makes him a hypocrite, pure and simple.

 

[Jade]

anyone saying Port is doing so because they would like to see it happen, not because they think it could happen.

I'd LIKE to see Collingwood or Carlton finish last, because I can't stand either. Wouldn't mind seeing Hawthorn on the bottom as well just for a laugh. But Port, I don't really care. Unless you're an Adelaide supporter mate, I've never really heard many people from opposition clubs labelling Port as their most hated. The reason many people have Port at or near the bottom is because they just don't look very good.

Which is exactly the same reason why the various nuffies who keep repetitively saying us are doing so, of course. Almost as if they say it enough times, it might somehow increase the miniscule chance of this actually happening.

Most Melbourne supporters that post on here are generally quite sane, but you are a complete fruit. The team that finished last has a miniscule chance of finishing there again? Yeah sure mate, that computes.

 

[Wonaeamirri33]

There we go, the standard ad hominem abuse tactic - thanks for that constructive comment

If you knew anything much about the Demons, Jade, or had any knowledge about the way things go in the AFL in general, you'd know that yeah, there is bugger-all chance of us finishing that low next year.

Yeah, that "computes".

PS- You know this thread will almost certainly be bumped when things end up going the way I've said, of course... obviously those who are desperately campaigning to inflate and distort the voting on this poll will mostly disappear into the ether when that happens...

 

[nuttinbutapeanut]

I'd LIKE to see Collingwood or Carlton finish last, because I can't stand either. Wouldn't mind seeing Hawthorn on the bottom as well just for a laugh. But Port, I don't really care. Unless you're an Adelaide supporter mate, I've never really heard many people from opposition clubs labelling Port as their most hated. The reason many people have Port at or near the bottom is because they just don't look very good.



Most Melbourne supporters that post on here are generally quite sane, but you are a complete fruit. The team that finished last has a miniscule chance of finishing there again? Yeah sure mate, that computes.

haha you're so right about wonameiri , i met him in real life. sad thing is he isn't completely sane between you and me. fat guy, bout 360 lbs 5 foot 8 with one leg and no arms, its a wonder how he even types lol. maybe he has one of them computers that changes his eye blinks into writing o well. His lack of logic is only equal to his teams overall lack of talent. How can he be so deluded only god knows . If they finish above 13th i will shave my head bald for a year.