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Gentildonna form is very very good form. My Ambivalent's run in the Sheema Classic in the desert against Donna and CircDesAng was the reason i liked him the most of the internationals. Thats best of the best stuff, as mentioned this CC is pretty ordinary.
 
ABitWoofy said:
You think that barrier won't be a bother because he like to get back anyway?
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You dont pay up nom after nom, fly your horse around the world and then scratch cause you draw a bad barrier.

Its a staying race, not the best outcome but could slot in anywhere with luck.
 

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rideclutch said:
Why were they saying it was a weak year for the Japan Cup? I know Gentildonna might not have been at her peak, but surely it's still too good for Aus races?
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They probably said it was a weak year because Dunaden ran 5th :)

Seriosuly though I reckon even a bog average Japan Cup would be far superior to this years Caulfield Cup line up.

Outside the Japanese I reckon any other horse in this field would have to run a career best to get anywhere near top 5 in a Japan Cup.
 
iluvparis said:
They probably said it was a weak year because Dunaden ran 5th :)

Seriosuly though I reckon even a bog average Japan Cup would be far superior to this years Caulfield Cup line up.

Outside the Japanese I reckon any other horse in this field would have to run a career best to get anywhere near top 5 in a Japan Cup.
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This is why I laughed when I heard the Japanese were 'confused' about the weight given to Admire Rakti. Clearly thought we were about to wheel out a bunch of Orferve's on the minimum and waltz it in... :$
 
How come theres no real interest in Dandino? Im not a fan of the odds either but considering most ppl agree that its a poorer CC this year, I rate it being up there again. Did very well in the St Lager and is doing well in Werribee since arriving. Had a poor barrier in the CC last year also so dont see that being the be all and all and hopefully Williams has learnt from last years races and doesnt leave his runs too late.
 
How come theres no real interest in Dandino? Im not a fan of the odds either but considering most ppl agree that its a poorer CC this year, I rate it being up there again. Did very well in the St Lager and is doing well in Werribee since arriving. Had a poor barrier in the CC last year also so dont see that being the be all and all and hopefully Williams has learnt from last years races and doesnt leave his runs too late.
 
runriot said:
How come theres no real interest in Dandino? Im not a fan of the odds either but considering most ppl agree that its a poorer CC this year, I rate it being up there again. Did very well in the St Lager and is doing well in Werribee since arriving. Had a poor barrier in the CC last year also so dont see that being the be all and all and hopefully Williams has learnt from last years races and doesnt leave his runs too late.
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This is my personal view only having backed Dandino last year. But....

1. On all evidence to date he is 5-6 lengths inferior to the horse he was last year. That includes his run in the American St Leger - a country where a 'stayer' is a horse that runs 1900m. There is not just one run to support this - all 4 of his runs this year have been far inferior to the form he showed last year (when he consistently rated 5-6 lengths higher). His last start at Kempton was absolutely awful.
2. Last year he was flying - in career best form - and while running huge races in both cups failed to win either. I feel he replicated his European form in those runs (i.e. it's not like he came to Australia and improved dramatically).
3. He was about the same price last year as he is this year but he is going far worse on all available evidence and carries more weight (admittedly - might be a weaker edition).
4. He has drawn the car pack.

In summary, you have to guess that he is all of a sudden going to return to his form of last season, and that's all you are doing (IMHO) - guessing. That's not how I personally like to bet. Maybe if he was 30-50/1 it would be worth the gamble but not at his current price. It's also not like he came to Australia last year and improved out of the clouds - he just replicated his European form in Australia. If he does that again he has no chance.

I know the owners are talking the house down and saying he is going as good as ever - but if that's the case I'm happy to let him win the Caulfield Cup and I can back him at Flemington.

I backed him last year and honestly can't have him in my top 10 this year.
 
Really looking forward to this race after the draw.
Lots of talk about horses racing on pace, not sure theyll have ever seen seen solid consistent pace like this.
There will be no easing of the pace as we usually get in our races, should be fun.

seth
 

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Trainer declared Bande leads after his final piece of work this morning.
Can guarantee that Green Moon will go forward, Gris Caro too though its 1000/1.
You want to make sure youre on a proven 2400m horse or be very confident it sticks.

seth
 

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