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I believe he was saying Lyon does not like/rate Broughton. Scott Watters would do anything to trade for him, he loves him. Broughton that is.
 
Andy Brennan said:
Interesting, I was under the impression RTB rated De Boer playing a dual role in the mids and as a defensive forward.
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Probably does, but does that mean he will keep a better player out of the team. I certainly hope not. Anyway, he may improve and be able to hold his spot. He is going to be under a lot of pressure to do so if we recruit well and our young players continue to improve, and we trade well and bring in the odd free agent who is best 22. If someone like him is a part of our depth it makes it possible to trade away someone like Ibbo. If we can get a player we want for him.
 
I've been on Ibbo's case when he was CC's golden child and MH pretty much followed suite.

With Lyon he (ibbo) still gets a good run. I know he was dropped and missed the Derby.

I think he has had a pretty good year. He oozes natural ability why would you let him go ?

If Lyon can get Clancy and MJ into gear Ibbo should be the next one.
Ibbo could be anything under the right coach.
 

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Personally all of the aforementioned are tradeable for the right price. Gumbleton for Ibbotson would be a massive mistake heavily favoured towards Essendon.

Ibbotson with all his faults has held his spot in our team most of the year, is athletic enough to be a top line half back flank and has a booming kick. He takes a reasonable mark above his head and will drop into the hole when necessary. Doesn't possess the courage of a Broughton or Waters but will go when its his turn. His main problems are decision making and piss poor tackling. The tackling can be corrected in a summer but the decision making is far further deep seeded. It's not absolutely terrible but it seems a second or two slower than top line players. There is a possibility that it could be improved with a good assistant coach making things fairly simple for him.

Personally i'd see Leroy Jetta for Ibbotson as a far more even trade. Not sure the dons would be willing to trade Jetta but if you want to compare like for like both are fairly even and fill different spots on the list. We need more outside run to complement the likes of Hill. Aside from Hill we have a fairly pedestrian midfield and our ball movement on the outside is fairly slow. Jetta has pace and great endurance and would complement our midfielders nicely with some outside dash and skill. He has his faults, he doesn't find enough of the ball, is fairly short and not a great contested ball winner.

Players similar to Jetta on the market are Danyle Pearce which i think the club would have a look at. Ross Lyon has mentioned he wants line breaking midfielders and i think both of these could be considered as such. They are not in the elite category but would add a nice balance to our midfield. It would allow Ballantyne, Walters to stay closer to goal where they are most dangerous. The move of both up the ground has only been mildly effective.
 
dugrene said:
I've been on Ibbo's case when he was CC's golden child and MH pretty much followed suite.

With Lyon he (ibbo) still gets a good run. I know he was dropped and missed the Derby.

I think he has had a pretty good year. He oozes natural ability why would you let him go ?

If Lyon can get Clancy and MJ into gear Ibbo should be the next one.
Ibbo could be anything under the right coach.
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Because we have heaps of guys who can fill his place adequately or better and we need to recruit players to fill other positions. We got knocked out in the 2nd week of the finals so we have to keep improving. We are not going to do that by simply accumulating depth in the same position. I am only saying if we can get what we need by trading him then we should do it. If we can't then keep him as best 25 or depth.
 
apuchar said:
Other than a few unnecessary risks and a few misjudgements Spurr is probably good enough already. I guess the room for improvement you are talking about for Ibbo will make him more appealing to other clubs. I have a feeling if he doesn't go it might be Broughton (who if you believe rumours is not a coach favourite), especially as Deboer isn't really holding his own consistently as a midfielder and will probably be returned to the forward line or Claremont next year if he doesn't lift a little. We have Sheridan, Sutcliffe, Neale, Morabito, hopefully Michie to come in the team and whoever else we recruit or trade for. No point hoarding if we can improve the team with a trade.
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DeBoer I thought was one of the first picked and the fact he is doing media work reinforces his place in the club.

But yes Broughton back next year might displace Spurr I would think and your list misses Mellington if we could trade an Ibbotson type player for Gumby or similar then do it.
 
Freo Dr said:
DeBoer I thought was one of the first picked and the fact he is doing media work reinforces his place in the club.

But yes Broughton back next year might displace Spurr I would think and your list misses Mellington if we could trade an Ibbotson type player for Gumby or similar then do it.
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Deboer being first picked is an opinion shared by many people. I am just not one of them. Personally, I think as the team improves he will find it increasingly difficult to hold his spot if he does not keep improving. Of course he may and I'm an idiot. I could live with that because it would be great for Freo if he becomes good enough to hold his place in the team long-term.
 
After that first Adelaide game in Perth - Ibbotsen and Duffield got some stick . Duffield was dropped for about 4 games. Ibbotsen was dropped for one game about the same time. Duffield has definitely shown increased effort particularly in the last 5 games. Ibbotsen seemed to stay pretty much the same - 2009 remains his best year.
 
Well reasoned post, Rgauci.

However, I do disagree with your comments below:

rgauci said:
Jetta has pace and great endurance and would complement our midfielders nicely with some outside dash and skill.
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Whilst Jetta has pace, he doesn't have elite endurance. Couldn't break into the midfield of a team seriously struggling for depth during the year primarily because of this. Lyon and co. may be able to give him a tank, but ultimately I think he's best suited to a role as a HFF who rotates through the midfield.

Given we already have players such as Sutcliffe, Menegola and Mellington, all of whom are developing quite nicely and can perform a similar role at no cost to us, I fail to see where he fits. I also really don't like Jetta's attitude. A chronic stager and the type to go missing when a game is in the balance. It's a no from me.

Let's all bear in mind that Ross's comments re: our midfield deficiencies came immediately after a game in which our midfield performed below par, following a gruelling travel schedule. In the cold light of day, I imagine Bond and Lyon would assess matters a little differently.

With Morabito, Michie, Neale, Sheridan, Lower, Pitt (God willing, he'll get the RTB treatment and put it together over the pre-season) and the aforementioned to come into the midfield during next year I think we are relatively well placed internally to address those issues.

What we don't have are any KPF's coming through the ranks, it'll be code black if we fail to recruit any this off-season.

Back on topic, I like to cut of Spurr's jib. First year in the system and hopefully will benefit from another pre-season this summer. Solid player, not a superstar will perform his role in the team when given the opportunity.
 
13then7 said:
I believe he was saying Lyon does not like/rate Broughton. Scott Watters would do anything to trade for him, he loves him. Broughton that is.
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Would be super reluctant to part ways with Broughton. Probably had his worst season since arriving, mostly due to issues beyond his control (i.e. injury, and constantly being shuffled in and out of position) and as such his trade value would be at it's lowest right now.

The dude is our best small defender, a beautiful kick off each side and has the capability to perform a number of jobs for us. Ibbo would be first on the trade table surely, don't buy the rumour that Ross doesn't rate him, media BS.
 
democritus said:
Would be super reluctant to part ways with Broughton. Probably had his worst season since arriving, mostly due to issues beyond his control (i.e. injury, and constantly being shuffled in and out of position) and as such his trade value would be at it's lowest right now.

The dude is our best small defender, a beautiful kick off each side and has the capability to perform a number of jobs for us. Ibbo would be first on the trade table surely, don't buy the rumour that Ross doesn't rate him, media BS.
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Subiaco BS then. I certainly hope your right, it would be like a disaster of old if we traded him.
 

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apuchar said:
Deboer being first picked is an opinion shared by many people. I am just not one of them. Personally, I think as the team improves he will find it increasingly difficult to hold his spot if he does not keep improving. Of course he may and I'm an idiot. I could live with that because it would be great for Freo if he becomes good enough to hold his place in the team long-term.
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He seems to have been capable of holding it for a fair while now.

Personally, I can't believe what I am reading.

DeBoer personifies the Ross gameplan.
 
Proud Bogan said:
He seems to have been capable of holding it for a fair while now.

Personally, I can't believe what I am reading.

DeBoer personifies the Ross gameplan.
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Agreed, he's currently one of the players under less pressure than most to earn his position under the Ross Lyon gameplan, he's the leading tackler in our team for one.
 
Don't get the dislike for Ibbotson tbh. His form in the last half of the year has been pretty good, in particular his reading of the play in the backline (intercept marking etc). Won't ever be as manic at the contest as someone like Spurr, but has other value which I'm sure Ross will try and magnify.
 
I've really enjoyed watching Spurr this year. Yeah, he's not always the surest bloke when asked to do some creative kicking. But he sure can defend and he works hard and seems to have a brilliant work ethic. Having said all that, Ibbo is a different sort of player really. He clearly doesn't have the same mongrel, but he has much better user and a very good reader and intersept marker.

Broughton is an interesting one. He would easily keep Spurr out of the team, but I've got a bit of doubt about Broughton's ability to play out a season now. He's had two seasons where essentially the same back issues have impacted his game and ultimately kept him out. If he can't sort that out, it will be even more reason to make sure Spurr is on our list and ready to fire.
 
Ibbotson is not soft. His problem is awareness and decision making. I think a lot of people have short (and focussed) memories, and can't go past that appalling effort at a crucial stage against the Crows ... where he just stood there and watched the Adelaide player swoop and put the Crows in the lead. But it wasn't Ibbo necessarily being soft and squibbing the contest, he just stood there and didn't make the right decision to go for the ball straight away. He isn't really an instinctive footballer.

I've never been a huge critic nor fan, have been patiently waiting for him to improve his awareness. He has improved a bit during the year, but he is still definitely tradeable for the right deal.

As for other comments, I would not trade for Leroy Jetta. We'd want him to be playing midfield, but he is not really a midfielder. He is a small forward, and we have plenty of those. I'd have to disagree with rgauci on Gumbleton vs Jetta ... I think Gumbleton (even with his injury concerns) is a more valuable commodity than Jetta.
 

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Proud Bogan said:
He seems to have been capable of holding it for a fair while now.

Personally, I can't believe what I am reading.

DeBoer personifies the Ross gameplan.
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Yawn. Do you honestly think he would get a game if we had a Fyfe or Morabito waiting in the wings. You play a guy like Deboer to fill a role until and if someone better comes along. Of course if he becomes a very good player who can do more than tackle then it is not quite so much of an issue. And the chances are at his age he will improve. He was better this year than last.
 
apuchar said:
Yawn. Do you honestly think he would get a game if we had a Fyfe or Morabito waiting in the wings. You play a guy like Deboer to fill a role until and if someone better comes along. Of course if he becomes a very good player who can do more than tackle then it is not quite so much of an issue. And the chances are at his age he will improve. He was better this year than last.
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Why yawn??o_O

Yes. I do honestly believe that he would get a game if Mora was back as they play completely different roles, (Fyfe is playing in the same team as him, in case you didn't notice).

He most certainly can do more than tackle. He is rotating, mostly, as a defensive forward, (which he does very well), and in the guts, (where he was All Australian U-18 btw), and does that role very well. He shepherds, blocks, creates space and gets enough of his own ball to be a valuable contributor.

His disposal, especially by footy has improved. And his handball, while not elite, is good enough in the clinches when he is at the bottom of the pack dishing out bruises and bumps.

Far, far more less worthy players in our team than Matt De Boer in my opinion.

Again, he is just the sort of player that Ross loves!
 
Nickos66 said:
Heads up, Fyfe's been playing with him, and Mora doesn't play the same role as him.
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I'm talking about a quality of player that he will have to compete with to get a gig. As you well know. Deboer is going to have to compete in a forward line next year that could have Ballantyne, Walters, Mayne, Mellington, Crozier, Neale Barlow, Mzungu, Menengola, to a lesser degree Broughton and Spurr etc. They can all put on pressure, most have better skills than him and all can run through the midfield.
Thanks for the heads up though. I have a limited understanding of football.:confused:
 
We can speculate until the cows come home, I'll believe deBoer's demotion to the Tigers due to being squeezed out of the team when I see it, at this stage just personally? I can't see it.

But I guess funnier things have happened, who'd have thought SCOS or Lower would've played halfa dozen odd games between them this year?
 
I would have thought Spurr would be up for trade for the right price... GWS and GC both need some mature bodies, and we surely could do worse that upgrading picks, swapping him for Lee, or playing a part in the mini-draft!
 

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