I think they’ve stagnated and the coach needs to take responsibility. Agree they probably don’t have the top end talent and that makes coaching harder. Reckon the losses one Roo and Montagna last year has hurt.
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In 2013 the saints traded for Longer, bringing in pick 48 for picks 25 and 41. If you had have held onto those picks, you could have drafted someone like Merrett or Lobb with pick 25, and someone like Sicily, Byrne-Jones, Fantasia, Jayden Hunt, Brown or Barrass with pick 41.
With pick 18 the saints drafted Dunstan. You probably should have drafted Matt Crouch. With pick 3 you should have drafted Bontempelli, but you drafted Billings. Acres is an okay pick at 19 but again, the players there at 25 were also there at 19.
In 2014 the saints drafted McCartin with pick one and passed up on Petracca, Brayshaw, De Goey, Wright and Lever. You drafted Goddard with pick 21, passing up the likes of Touk Miller, McLean, Daniel Dale, McGovern, and Blakely. With pick 22 you drafted McKenzie, with the same players also available. With pick 41 you drafted Lonie and passed up on the likes of McGovern again, as well as Daniel and Dale.
In the 2015 draft, the saints traded picks 6 and what ended up as 29 for Carlisle and 18 which became Gresham. That could have been Curnow and Bonner, or Mengola. The saints later drafted White and Rice. There wasn't a whole lot left, but Mengeola, Broad and Hardwick were still on the board.
In 2016, and it is early days, but the saints drafted Long with pick 25, passing up the likes of Fisher, Bolton and Darcy. With pick 41 you drafted Battle, and passed up on the likes of Graham and Ryan.
Yesterday, the saints had Clark, Long, Gresham, McCartin, Acres and Billings playing, that's six players from the past five national drafts. Only one of those doesn't come from the top 20. The saints have traded a lot, which has hurt their draft stocks. But their trading hasn't really helped the club that much, given its yielded Longer, Savage, Delaney, Bruce, Freeman, Carlisle, Steele, Stevens and Austin since 2013.
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Not the cattle. There's decent talent there. It's the coaching.
This is a fantastic analysis, really eye opening. Some absolute howlers there!!
Even with al clarkson, this group's ceiling is probably 7-8th
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Maybe. But what are we excluded from drafting and trading the next 3 years?
No one expected us to win a flag this stage of our development.
No one expected us to win a flag this stage of our development.
I dont understand what youre trying to say here. Are you saying we traded badly?
Surely youre not suggesting without hindsight we shouldve done those trades?
We have talent we traded well. Dunstan and Acres at 18, 19 is fantastic. Gresham is a gun. At 18 was a bargain will be top 3 if that draft.
Battle at 39. See you dont understand. White is good but mentally stupid (coaches again?) Goddard, McKenzie have been injured. We have talent and plently of it. The problem is Coaching. We have the WORST coaches in the league. None of them have afl experience other than richo. Some
Of them didnt even play afl.
Coaching and culture is so important. No coincidence hawks, cats, swans keep “finding talent”. LOL its not amazing picks its great coaching and culture.
REIWOLDT and MONTAGNA its clear now they were captain/coaching and motivating the team to perform above standard. Richardson OMG did you hear his press conference? LOL had no answers just more mumbling about pressure even tried to say it wasnt that bad at 3/4 time. He is a joke.
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Think they'll come good in a few rounds, they are transitioning and lost a ton of leadership.
We wont improve until Richardson and co are replaced.
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Far from it. Carlton and North have passed you.
Wrong. Players are great. Coaches/Culture is worst in league.
Sam Gilbert be back next week
Not sure about Carlton passing them yet we will see by the end of this season.
Assuming he is a bad coach, how would you structure up differently? Id struggle to think of a worse midfield in the league. Rest of the team is ok but mids are really poor.
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Enjoy sticking the boot in, it's pretty well deserved in this case tbh. Just a note to all the expert prognosticators reading the tea leaves on this loss - if we beat Adelaide next week, what will that mean ?
Enjoy sticking the boot in, it's pretty well deserved in this case tbh. Just a note to all the expert prognosticators reading the tea leaves on this loss - if we beat Adelaide next week, what will that mean ?
Brisbane too
Will mean Adelaide arent serious Premiership threats
Some of them, yes. I'm not sure St Kilda needed or need a Koby Stevens type. Trading for Freeman was baffling, given the club knew about his injury issues. Carlisle was probably your best trade, and even then, you gave up pick six, which is a lot, considering the fact that Carlisle is now 27, has never made an All-Australian and has never really been one of the best at any KPP position.
Dunstan is so fantastic that he didn't play this week. He's similar to others on your list like Stevens and Steele. Gresham and Acres are good players but that's two players from the last five drafts. Need more than that.
I'm aware that Richardson is partly to blame, but Battle isn't much, he's one of those KPFs drafted outside of the first round and those generally don't do well. White has little at AFL level and McKenzie has played many games at VFL level. He's like O'Rourke, a guy who apparently is constantly injured yet plays a fair share of games in the twos. Go figure!
This is the problem with saints fans, before the season started they scoffed at claims the team was lacking in talent. Now that they're playing poorly, it's not that the team isn't talented, the coach's fault. Richardson is no Clarkson but this team is bereft of talent and I doubt putting Dunstan, McKenzie, Battle and White in the team would stop them from losing by 50 points to a team pegged for the bottom four.
I'm not saying Richmond's drafting is amazing but in the grand final, Richmond had Graham, Rioli, Broad, Butler, Castagna, Lambert from drafting and Prestia, Caddy and Nankervis from trading, and even then, that involved a number of typical Richmond drafting stuffups like drafting Lennon. That was what Richmond took from the 2013-2017 drafting and trading period. Trading and drafting can often be a crapshoot but St Kilda haven't done it well at all.
As long as richos in charge everyone will pass us.
No one here is understanding. Ill say it again its not the lack of talent its 100% the LACK of coaching/culture.
Dunstan is a gun. He is a prime exampe of how stupid our coach and coaches are.
You wont do the research and watch dunstans last 6 games or JLT youll simply see Dunstan as not playing AFL and assume he cant do it. ITS THE COACHES. Dunstan (with good coaching) would smash crouch and co. Thats my opinion and if you did research youd see this BUT you wont so no point in arguing anymore.
As a saints fan very very sad and frustrating. How do we get rid of richo and fet he board to get decent coaches? Petition?
You are deluded.
Did you see the game yesterday? How can you blame Richardson for the ridiculous fumbles and painful skill errors throughout the entire game?
Id agree your list is better than Carlton at the moment because we are basically a bunch of kids. But talent wise I think in 2 years we will be significantly better than Saints because the kids coming up are much better for us than you.
Also, Dunstan is not a star.
Dunstan came out and basically blasted the coaching (in subtle wording) for his crap performances in 2017. This no doubt has led to him being on the outer. This is the childish culture we have.
Brandon White is hated for past indescritions is another one. Its pathetic from “adults” the coaching staff have to go but how will it happen? Its going to take another bottom 4/spoon in 2018.
It will hurt but if it gets us new coaching and some good Picks then the turn around for stkilda would be swift. Because yes we have elite talent on list
Brandon White is hated for past indescritions is another one. Its pathetic from “adults” the coaching staff have to go but how will it happen? Its going to take another bottom 4/spoon in 2018.
It will hurt but if it gets us new coaching and some good Picks then the turn around for stkilda would be swift. Because yes we have elite talent on list
Who are you top 10 players and how would you rate them? (A-grade, B, C etc)
