Analysis Stadium deals - what, how, when - why we need a new one and the SA footy paradigm shift happening

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Bloody nanny state reactions in the media to this.

Oh you are gonna allow cans and everyone is going to throw them and injure and kill people.

As Pick from Paltown used to say, another case of the majority (responsible people) spoiling it for the minority whingers. As he also used to say give me 3 good men and 5 dogs and we can solve the problem. First can thrower you shoot to maim. Second one shoot to kill. Bet that solves any problems.

I completely disagree with this, they were banned for a reason.

It might be the minority spoiling it for the majority, but ultimately you've still been allowed to drink alcohol the entire time, so what are they actually spoiling?

I saw a few cans get thrown in back at Football Park and there is simply no need for them or for that risk.
 
yeah for some reason the reddit adelaide thread about this was dominated by talk about throwing them. perhaps this stems from the eddie banana incident where people that casually watch fooy and follow AFL news think people throwing objects at footy is a regular thing. it seems to me that pouring beer into plastic cups wastes a LOT of time so this would just speed up serving people.
 
It wouldn't surprise me if the SMA ended up making it a requirement that you can't take cans back to your seat. You have to drink them in designated drinking areas. And the SMA have generously provided speciality bins to collect everyone's empty before heading back to their seats.

It means that seating areas become defacto dry areas, which will make families happy, and the SMA also get to collect all the empties for the recycling deposit to also help with their financial bottom lines.

Grab a soft drink cup and fill 'er up. Yes, they'll wise up quickly and demand you buy a rapaciously priced soft drink to get one. Hell, bring your own mug and drink out of that.

It's all about reducing staffing numbers. %&*%ing SMA.
 

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I completely disagree with this, they were banned for a reason.

It might be the minority spoiling it for the majority, but ultimately you've still been allowed to drink alcohol the entire time, so what are they actually spoiling?

I saw a few cans get thrown in back at Football Park and there is simply no need for them or for that risk.

I agree that there are going to be differing views on this and that's why it was a condition of a change in their liquor licence conditions that the SMA undertake a public consultation process - to get the views of everyone who might be impacted and not just government authorities. (and that includes the union representing police officers who have been blindsided by this decision).

My issue with this is that the general public was only made aware of the change in the last day before the Liquor and Gambling Commissioner made the decision to support the removal of the ban on cans.

The full decision is here for those interested:


Regardless of whether you agree or disagree with the decision to re-introduce beer in cans in the public areas of Adelaide Oval the lack of a proper consultation process smacks yet again of the SMA acting like entitled Lords and doing what they bloody well please without any regard for the patrons (footy supporters) of the venue they are their to manage. Why are they so afraid of listening to the public?
 
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Also note that it is the Police Officers Union and not the Police Department who have objected to selling beer in cans in the general public areas (they have been available in corporate sections of the oval and at times in the 'village green' for many years). SAPOL have OK'd the plan which is why the licence change was approved.
SAPOL approval is upper management shrugging and going meh we don't care.

The Union objecting is that the actual police officers that have to work at Adelaide Oval calling it a bullshit move. Because guess who is likely to be a target of thrown beer cans.
 

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@OneGreatClub posted something on this in the Port Forum General AFL (not Port) Thread yesterday but since it is Port and Adelaide Oval related I've posted the article here.

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Queue the rubbery figures being even more rubbery in the next 8 weeks.

I'd expect to see a record 54k for the crows home showdown being announced on the PA. That sort of crowd averaged out over 12 home games in 2023 would increase the crows average by about 1,300.
 
More stadium than specific deal, but the SANFL wants to move back to Football Park.

And it doesn't want to buy the crows facility, but it wants to build new ones and I guess the crows deal with Commercial and General and get $$$ from them to help fund Thebby rather than do a sweetheart deal with the SANFL.

Yesterday when I was asked about how much the SANFL clubs got from Footy Park and what Port missed out on, the SANFL said it would give $16m to the 8 SANFL clubs over 7 years of the $61m after paying the AFL loan of $10m off in 2015 after selling the Football Park for $71m, but getting the monies paid to them over 10 years.

It also said it would use those monies and other funds to reduce their debt in 2015 of $26m to $nil by 2022 and then build a future fund from remaining instalments they get from Commercial and General. See Rucci's March 2015 story HERE


In the SANFL's 2022 annual report, their abridged financial statements showed then were down to $705k of Loans and Borrowings.

They want to move back to Football Park as the West Torrens council wont do a new lease with them at Thebby, the crows will buy them and SAAFL ( ie Adelaide footy League) out of their existing lease rights, and they reckon they want to build a high performance type set up for s state under-16s and under-18s as well as its First Nations and multicultural talent programs.



The SANFL wants to return to its former home at Football Park and spend around $27 million on a new talent facility in the West Lakes precinct, as the league faces a race against time to move out of Thebarton Oval.

With the Adelaide Crows soon leaving West Lakes for a new $100 million headquarters at Thebarton Oval, the SANFL has asked if it can return to Football Park when the land vests back in the City of Charles Sturt in 2026.

The league wants to use the ground for its state under-16s and under-18s as well as its First Nations and multicultural talent programs.

The eight SANFL member clubs, which exclude the Crows reserves and Port Adelaide Magpies, would also have access to the ground “from time to time”, the SANFL said.

The league wants to use the ground from 4pm to 8pm on Monday to Friday and for 25 match days a year. Over a year, the license request amounts to 16.75 hours a week, 72.5 hours a month and 870 hours a year. The community will have access to the oval around 80 per cent of the time between 7am and 7pm over a year, according to the City of Charles Sturt.

The SANFL is also proposing a $26.9 million investment in the precinct.

The funding would go towards a new “high performance and community football facility” co-located with the Mosaic Hotel, a pub owned by the SANFL adjacent to Football Park. A $3.3 million car park development and $1 million upgrade of the oval, including new perimeter fencing, an interchange area, lighting and a scoreboard, are also on the table.

The SANFL has requested a 21-year non-exclusive license of the ground with an option to extend for a further 21 years.

“A long-term licence is critical given the proposed investment into the precinct is approximately $27m with SANFL committing to ongoing maintenance of the public amenity (oval and field lighting) equalling approximately $120,00 per annum,” SANFL CEO Darren Chandler said in a letter to the City of Charles Sturt last month.

“Included in the $27m is also a $1m contribution to oval and precinct development which will have substantial community benefits in addition to… community use changerooms.”

Charles Sturt councillors approved a three-week public consultation period on the SANFL’s license request at their October 23 council meeting.

The league said it hopes the council will approve its proposal in December so it can lodge a planning application for the new facility that same month. Construction is scheduled for July 2024 with completion in December 2025.

“SANFL has a strategic imperative to deliver quality facilities at all levels,” Chandler wrote. “The SANFL talent football facility (which will include community use change rooms) is no exception to this imperative with the building complementing its surroundings and contributing to a welcoming and inclusive precinct. “SANFL’s connection to place at West Lakes is significant and the iconic building will provide a recognisable anchor point for people to meet at the oval.”

Chandler said co-locating the new football facility with the Mosaic Hotel and the indoor golf centres X Golf and Hey Caddy would “enable excellent business outcomes for the precinct by providing ongoing local jobs and increased visitation numbers to the area”. “Our ability to manage multiple venues from the same precinct will be a significant factor in its success,” Chandler said.

The SANFL plans to purchase a portion of privately owned land from the developer on the western side of Phillips Street to build its new administration and high-performance facility. [Phillips street is a new north south road that is between the western side of the current oval and Turner Drive. So it will be next to the Mosaic Hotel].

The Adelaide Football Club still uses Football Park for training but has long been searching for a new home. In August 2022, the Crows settled on Thebarton Oval, where the SANFL currently has an exclusive lease over facilities. The Crows have a lease over Football Park until 2048, however this, according to the City of Charles Sturt, becomes null and void in 2026 when the oval vests in the council as open space upon completion of the West Lakes housing development.


In an agenda paper last month, the City of Charles Sturt administration said the SANFL is prepared to surrender its lease at Thebarton Oval but only if the league can find a new home. “In essence, if the SANFL were not able to secure a future suitable tenure at another location, then they will remain at their existing Thebarton Oval location until the expiration of their existing lease in 2031,” the council said. “If this were to occur it would also ‘grid lock’ any move by the AFC (unless yet another site could be found).”

According to league CEO Chandler, the SANFL originally intended to redevelop its facilities at Thebarton Oval with $11 million in government funding ($6 million federal, $5 million state).

However, the City of West Torrens resolved in early 2022, Chandler said, that it would not consider a new long-term lease with the SANFL as the council’s priority was to allow Adelaide Football Club to move to Thebarton. The SANFL has since been looking for alternative locations to build the new facility with its government funding, Chandler said.
 
More stadium than specific deal, but the SANFL wants to move back to Football Park.

And it doesn't want to buy the crows facility, but it wants to build new ones and I guess the crows deal with Commercial and General and get $$$ from them to help fund Thebby rather than do a sweetheart deal with the SANFL.

Yesterday when I was asked about how much the SANFL clubs got from Footy Park and what Port missed out on, the SANFL said it would give $16m to the 8 SANFL clubs over 7 years of the $61m after paying the AFL loan of $10m off in 2015 after selling the Football Park for $71m, but getting the monies paid to them over 10 years.

It also said it would use those monies and other funds to reduce their debt in 2015 of $26m to $nil by 2022 and then build a future fund from remaining instalments they get from Commercial and General. See Rucci's March 2015 story HERE


In the SANFL's 2022 annual report, their abridged financial statements showed then were down to $705k of Loans and Borrowings.

They want to move back to Football Park as the West Torrens council wont do a new lease with them at Thebby, the crows will buy them and SAAFL ( ie Adelaide footy League) out of their existing lease rights, and they reckon they want to build a high performance type set up for s state under-16s and under-18s as well as its First Nations and multicultural talent programs.



The SANFL wants to return to its former home at Football Park and spend around $27 million on a new talent facility in the West Lakes precinct, as the league faces a race against time to move out of Thebarton Oval.

With the Adelaide Crows soon leaving West Lakes for a new $100 million headquarters at Thebarton Oval, the SANFL has asked if it can return to Football Park when the land vests back in the City of Charles Sturt in 2026.

The league wants to use the ground for its state under-16s and under-18s as well as its First Nations and multicultural talent programs.

The eight SANFL member clubs, which exclude the Crows reserves and Port Adelaide Magpies, would also have access to the ground “from time to time”, the SANFL said.

The league wants to use the ground from 4pm to 8pm on Monday to Friday and for 25 match days a year. Over a year, the license request amounts to 16.75 hours a week, 72.5 hours a month and 870 hours a year. The community will have access to the oval around 80 per cent of the time between 7am and 7pm over a year, according to the City of Charles Sturt.

The SANFL is also proposing a $26.9 million investment in the precinct.

The funding would go towards a new “high performance and community football facility” co-located with the Mosaic Hotel, a pub owned by the SANFL adjacent to Football Park. A $3.3 million car park development and $1 million upgrade of the oval, including new perimeter fencing, an interchange area, lighting and a scoreboard, are also on the table.

The SANFL has requested a 21-year non-exclusive license of the ground with an option to extend for a further 21 years.

“A long-term licence is critical given the proposed investment into the precinct is approximately $27m with SANFL committing to ongoing maintenance of the public amenity (oval and field lighting) equalling approximately $120,00 per annum,” SANFL CEO Darren Chandler said in a letter to the City of Charles Sturt last month.

“Included in the $27m is also a $1m contribution to oval and precinct development which will have substantial community benefits in addition to… community use changerooms.”

Charles Sturt councillors approved a three-week public consultation period on the SANFL’s license request at their October 23 council meeting.

The league said it hopes the council will approve its proposal in December so it can lodge a planning application for the new facility that same month. Construction is scheduled for July 2024 with completion in December 2025.

“SANFL has a strategic imperative to deliver quality facilities at all levels,” Chandler wrote. “The SANFL talent football facility (which will include community use change rooms) is no exception to this imperative with the building complementing its surroundings and contributing to a welcoming and inclusive precinct. “SANFL’s connection to place at West Lakes is significant and the iconic building will provide a recognisable anchor point for people to meet at the oval.”

Chandler said co-locating the new football facility with the Mosaic Hotel and the indoor golf centres X Golf and Hey Caddy would “enable excellent business outcomes for the precinct by providing ongoing local jobs and increased visitation numbers to the area”. “Our ability to manage multiple venues from the same precinct will be a significant factor in its success,” Chandler said.

The SANFL plans to purchase a portion of privately owned land from the developer on the western side of Phillips Street to build its new administration and high-performance facility. [Phillips street is a new north south road that is between the western side of the current oval and Turner Drive. So it will be next to the Mosaic Hotel].

The Adelaide Football Club still uses Football Park for training but has long been searching for a new home. In August 2022, the Crows settled on Thebarton Oval, where the SANFL currently has an exclusive lease over facilities. The Crows have a lease over Football Park until 2048, however this, according to the City of Charles Sturt, becomes null and void in 2026 when the oval vests in the council as open space upon completion of the West Lakes housing development.


In an agenda paper last month, the City of Charles Sturt administration said the SANFL is prepared to surrender its lease at Thebarton Oval but only if the league can find a new home. “In essence, if the SANFL were not able to secure a future suitable tenure at another location, then they will remain at their existing Thebarton Oval location until the expiration of their existing lease in 2031,” the council said. “If this were to occur it would also ‘grid lock’ any move by the AFC (unless yet another site could be found).”

According to league CEO Chandler, the SANFL originally intended to redevelop its facilities at Thebarton Oval with $11 million in government funding ($6 million federal, $5 million state).

However, the City of West Torrens resolved in early 2022, Chandler said, that it would not consider a new long-term lease with the SANFL as the council’s priority was to allow Adelaide Football Club to move to Thebarton. The SANFL has since been looking for alternative locations to build the new facility with its government funding, Chandler said.

No surprise they want to hold on to Footy Pk having seen the crows get knocked from pillar to post around town looking

for a new home. Long term I can't see the SANFL being anything but a drain on the public purse. Their crowd numbers

and demographics scream a slow death. Incidentally did I hear Norwood want to move in on the Victoria Pk site for

training etc via a low key stealth like "in confidence" manoeuvre. Surely they've got buckleys.
 
No surprise they want to hold on to Footy Pk having seen the crows get knocked from pillar to post around town looking

for a new home. Long term I can't see the SANFL being anything but a drain on the public purse. Their crowd numbers

and demographics scream a slow death. Incidentally did I hear Norwood want to move in on the Victoria Pk site for

training etc via a low key stealth like "in confidence" manoeuvre. Surely they've got buckleys.
The SANFL have a great revenue stream from Adelaide Oval and have an 80 year lease on it via their share of the SMA joint venture with the SA government.

Financially as an organisation they wont die. The 10 then 8 team competition just downsizes.

There will always be a number 1 state league in each state and unless they really * up, that will be the SANFL not AFLSA, like you have in Tassie, NSW, ACT, NT, Qld and Victoria.

The SANFL and WAFC have been protected by the governments in each state via their stadium deals to get them / footy to move to a new stadium in each capital city.

Yesterday when I looked up their 2022 annual report to check their debt figure to see if they reached their goal of $Nil by 2022, I saw their revenue was was $35m which is more than the $33m they made in 2009 when they basically decided to take the government offer to move to AO. They don't have the same stadium expenses as they did in 2009. Loans and Borrowings were only $805k.

They made a statutory profit of $6.584m in 2022 after $8.134m in 2021 after recording Finance Income of $3.972m in 2022 and $5.803m in 2021.

I think the finance income figure is 90% effectively the net profit they make on Footy Park sale each year as they get instalment payments over more than a decade. They still made healthy pre finance income profits of $2.617m and $2.394m.

The SANFL stopped producing full accounts with notes in their 2012 annual report. Since then they haven't even been what is consider concise annual accounts, and they provide a balance sheet and a profit and loss statement, and another page that is not even a proper cash flow statement, just an attempt to reconcile cash earnings to statutory profit to try and say how well they are doing, so its been hard to fully explain what is really going on with their results.
 
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The SMA is spending $5m on a new whizz bang lighting system upgrade. Its the second major lighting upgrade since the redeveloped AO opened in March 2014. It will be on full display at the Striker's BBL new year's eve game tomorrow night, but a couple of days ago the SMA tweeted this preview with its youtube video below.

I'm not a big fan of fancy lighting but it seems to be all the go stadiums world wide and its a case of keeping up with the Jones. The big indoor venues around the world, the 15k - 22k type venues about 10-15 years ago started making light shows a big part of the game day experience, and outdoor venues have copied them. Perth Stadium set the trend in Oz.

It got me thinking how much is in the kitty in the SMA's Sinking Fund that is mandated by the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act that the SMA has to bank each year for capital repairs and new capital upgrade?

As at 31st October 2022 there was $11.120m in the kitty.

The first instalment was in the 2016 SMA's financial year of $2.684m and in 2022 they contributed $3.442m with each year the contribution increasing by about 3.1%. There was no contribution in 2020 because of Covid but the CPI type increase was applied as if an instalment was made when the government calculated the 2021 instalment amount. $7.599m has been withdrawn from the fund between 2017 and 2022 included.


In the 2019 submission to the Parliamentary Select Committee's inquiry into the SMA and the building of the AO Hotel the SMA submitted the following


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o Sinking Fund

In accordance with Clause 6 of the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act 2011 the Adelaide Oval SMA Ltd has established a Sinking Fund out of which may be paid non-recurrent expenses associated with the Adelaide Oval Sub Lease. $337,000,000 will be paid by AOSMA into the sinking fund over 50 years.

……….

The Sinking Fund report is independently prepared by Rider Levett Bucknall. This report models the annual contribution into, and likely spend out of the sinking fund for the next 50 years, required to maintain the Adelaide Oval. This report is updated annually as the independent basis for our annual approval from the Treasurer.


Page 30 - $16.9m mentioned below the SMA had spent between 2014 and 2018, $1.69m was approved withdrawal from the Sinking Fund. $3.07m was spent in 2020 from the Sinking Fund and $915k in 2021 and $1.70m in 2022.

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The SMA is spending $5m on a new whizz bang lighting system upgrade. Its the second major lighting upgrade since the redeveloped AO opened in March 2014. It will be on full display at the Striker's BBL new year's eve game tomorrow night, but a couple of days ago the SMA tweeted this preview with its youtube video below.

I'm not a big fan of fancy lighting but it seems to be all the go stadiums world wide and its a case of keeping up with the Jones. The big indoor venues around the world, the 15k - 22k type venues about 10-15 years ago started making light shows a big part of the game day experience, and outdoor venues have copied them. Perth Stadium set the trend in Oz.

It got me thinking how much is in the kitty in the SMA's Sinking Fund that is mandated by the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act that the SMA has to bank each year for capital repairs and new capital upgrade?

As at 31st October 2022 there was $11.120m in the kitty.

The first instalment was in the 2016 SMA's financial year of $2.684m and in 2022 they contributed $3.442m with each year the contribution increasing by about 3.1%. There was no contribution in 2020 because of Covid but the CPI type increase was applied as if an instalment was made when the governbment calculated the 2021 instalment amount. $7.599m has been withdrawn from the fund between 2017 and 2022 included.


In the 2019 submission to the Parliamentary Select Committee's inquiry into the SMA and the building of the AO Hotel the SMA submitted the following


Page 14

o Sinking Fund

In accordance with Clause 6 of the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act 2011 the Adelaide Oval SMA Ltd has established a Sinking Fund out of which may be paid non-recurrent expenses associated with the Adelaide Oval Sub Lease. $337,000,000 will be paid by AOSMA into the sinking fund over 50 years.

……….

The Sinking Fund report is independently prepared by Rider Levett Bucknall. This report models the annual contribution into, and likely spend out of the sinking fund for the next 50 years, required to maintain the Adelaide Oval. This report is updated annually as the independent basis for our annual approval from the Treasurer.


Page 30 - $16.9m mentioned below the SMA had spent between 2014 and 2018, $1.69m was approved withdrawal from the Sinking Fund. $3.07m was spent in 2019 from the Sinking Fund and $915k in 2021 and $1.70m in 2022.

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Hope it doesn't upset Anne Moran's Pomeranian.
 
The SMA is spending $5m on a new whizz bang lighting system upgrade. Its the second major lighting upgrade since the redeveloped AO opened in March 2014. It will be on full display at the Striker's BBL new year's eve game tomorrow night, but a couple of days ago the SMA tweeted this preview with its youtube video below.

I'm not a big fan of fancy lighting but it seems to be all the go stadiums world wide and its a case of keeping up with the Jones. The big indoor venues around the world, the 15k - 22k type venues about 10-15 years ago started making light shows a big part of the game day experience, and outdoor venues have copied them. Perth Stadium set the trend in Oz.

It got me thinking how much is in the kitty in the SMA's Sinking Fund that is mandated by the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act that the SMA has to bank each year for capital repairs and new capital upgrade?

As at 31st October 2022 there was $11.120m in the kitty.

The first instalment was in the 2016 SMA's financial year of $2.684m and in 2022 they contributed $3.442m with each year the contribution increasing by about 3.1%. There was no contribution in 2020 because of Covid but the CPI type increase was applied as if an instalment was made when the government calculated the 2021 instalment amount. $7.599m has been withdrawn from the fund between 2017 and 2022 included.


In the 2019 submission to the Parliamentary Select Committee's inquiry into the SMA and the building of the AO Hotel the SMA submitted the following


Page 14

o Sinking Fund

In accordance with Clause 6 of the Adelaide Oval Redevelopment and Management Act 2011 the Adelaide Oval SMA Ltd has established a Sinking Fund out of which may be paid non-recurrent expenses associated with the Adelaide Oval Sub Lease. $337,000,000 will be paid by AOSMA into the sinking fund over 50 years.

……….

The Sinking Fund report is independently prepared by Rider Levett Bucknall. This report models the annual contribution into, and likely spend out of the sinking fund for the next 50 years, required to maintain the Adelaide Oval. This report is updated annually as the independent basis for our annual approval from the Treasurer.


Page 30 - $16.9m mentioned below the SMA had spent between 2014 and 2018, $1.69m was approved withdrawal from the Sinking Fund. $3.07m was spent in 2020 from the Sinking Fund and $915k in 2021 and $1.70m in 2022.

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Grief! By the end of that, anyone with epilepsy will be wound up like a triple truckie's knot!
 

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