Staker - gawn?

[Miguel Sanchez]

After all the talk about list management, I think the consensus is that we need to cut/trade four players this season.

Graham and Cones are two certainties. Steve Armstrong was looking like a certainty two months ago but has reveled in a move into the midfield lately and has probably saved his job.

So where do the other two cuts come from? Forget Fletcher, he's contracted and anyway if he stays he'll be on the veterans list, not the main list.

For all the talk of Kerr wanting a trade, all the signs from the club and from the player himself are that he'll be staying.

McKinley looks likely to sign in the next couple of weeks, which is great news.

Seaby is too valuable as insurance for Cox.

Staker is going to have to be one of the cuts, out of necessity if nothing else. He's out of contract (I think), maddeningly inconsistent and after a long stint on the list it might be time for him to try his luck somewhere else.

What do you think we'd be able to get for him? I think a 6'5" guy with his athleticism should be worth at least a second-rounder, even if he is maddeningly inconsistent.

 

[Hap Hapablap]

sydney may pick him up...... imagine the reunion of hall and staks.

 

[Underdog]

After all the talk about list management, I think the consensus is that we need to cut/trade four players this season.

Graham and Cones are two certainties. Steve Armstrong was looking like a certainty two months ago but has reveled in a move into the midfield lately and has probably saved his job.

So where do the other two cuts come from? Forget Fletcher, he's contracted and anyway if he stays he'll be on the veterans list, not the main list.

Staker is going to have to be one of the cuts, out of necessity if nothing else. He's out of contract (I think), maddeningly inconsistent and after a long stint on the list it might be time for him to try his luck somewhere else.

Thomson, Braun, Cones and Graham

4 delisted.

I'm still not sure about keeping Armstrong. He's been solid but he is average at best and I feel those types are vastly overrated in poor sides.

 

[larrikin]

Thomson, Braun, Cones and Graham

4 delisted.

I'm still not sure about keeping Armstrong. He's been solid but he is average at best and I feel those types are vastly overrated in poor sides.

A couple of people around here have been saying he's still contracted

 

[The Coast]

Staker has had probably his best season for WCE and still doesn't cut it. Personally I think we should try and trade him now while he has a little bit of interest and we might be able to get something for him. If we keep him he'll continue to trot around not doing much, playing 1 good game every 2 years. Now is our chance otherwise we'll end up like the Hawks and Tim Boyle.

I have a feeling that Woosha likes him though....for some reason, so that may just save him.

 

[Obeanie1]

With Staker it will be damned if you do damned if you don't.

His versatility is whats saved him and what makes him hard to let go. IMO it will come down to how much he wants with a new contract, 2 years @ $200k with some incentives would be around the mark, if he pushes for more then the club will seriously shop him around, which is alegedly what they are doing.

A second rounder would be great, we may have to add our 3rd or forth round pick to get it.

 

[bigburger]

Surely Fletcher would get the chop before Staker even if it means we have to buy out the rest of his contract.

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

Thomson, Braun, Cones and Graham

4 delisted.

Braun's outside of the senior list anyway so I wasn't counting him as a delisting.

The maths:
38 senior players - 2 additions to veterans list (Fletcher, Wirra) + 2 rookie elevations (Davis, Wilkes) - 4 delistings/trades = 34 players + 4 draft picks.

A couple of people around here have been saying he's still contracted

Either pay him out, or if another club is interested trade him for pick 90 and get them to take over his contract.

Surely Fletcher would get the chop before Staker even if it means we have to buy out the rest of his contract.

Fletcher will be on the veterans list anyway. See above.

 

[Underdog]

I'd still get rid of Armstrong before Staker. Armstrong is average at best and it's not like we will be without young, quality midfielders who will surpass him very quickly.

 

[TOA.]

The one advantage of trading Staker now is that his value would almost be at its highest because of his mid season form. Before that we would have been lucky to get anything.

 

[worsfold]

I think we have to be ruthless this year.
happy for staker to stay as he can win games 24 good age.

Braun -gone give us a rookie spot only as not on main list
Cones - should go
Graham - gone try to trade
Wirra sorry to say but we are rebuilding. gone
Fletcher we need to talk him into retiring and pay out his contract
Thompson -delist couldn't get a game when we have no one else
Armstrong thanks but sorry

6 main list positions upgrade 2 rookies wilkes and Davis leaves position on the rookie list for the NSW schoolarship boys (2) and 4 draft picks unless Kerr goes and gives us 2 picks then we might review fletcher and armstrong but dought it.

 

[Juddy88]

Army has always been a midfielder we just haven't had room in the past to play him there. Keep him

I agree, trade Staker, he contributes very rarely and there just isn't a spot for him that I can see. Although I am doubtful that they will. Who knows.

 

[Delroy]

Bad idea to trade Staker. Can you imagine trading him and seeing him have a consistent season.

 

[larrikin]

Bad idea to trade Staker. Can you imagine trading him and seeing him have a consistent season.

On that logic you'd never trade anyone

 

[Juddy88]

Wirra may even retire at the end of the season

 

[Underdog]

Army has always been a midfielder we just haven't had room in the past to play him there. Keep him

Will he ever be better then Kerr, Butler, Masten, Ebert, Selwood etc ?

I don't think so

As such, I don't think he has any value

 

[Juddy88]

Will he ever be better then Kerr, Butler, Masten, Ebert, Selwood etc ?

I don't think so

As such, I don't think he has any value

No, but he has been injury free and has been fantastic over the last month.

Better than Rosa though IMO.

Will be a joke if he is delisted and Staker/Graham stay.

 

[Underdog]

No, but he has been injury free and has been fantastic over the last month.

Staker was very good too and has far more potential.

Once our starting midfield are fit, Armstrong will be lucky to get a game. Staker is a far better chance.

 

[Juddy88]

Staker was very good too and has far more potential.

Once our starting midfield are fit, Armstrong will be lucky to get a game. Staker is a far better chance.

Staker has had "potential" for the past 5 years and has improved minimally, one or two good games a year just won't cut it.

 

[Eagle87]

No, but he has been injury free and has been fantastic over the last month.

Better than Rosa though IMO.

Will be a joke if he is delisted and Staker/Graham stay.

Being better than Rosa is hardly a claim to fame. Rosa is a fringe player in an ordinary side. Armstrong is an older, smaller, fringe player in a very ordinary side.

If we are looking at players to de-list Armstrong should be right in the gun. Good sides dont have too many list cloggers and Armstrong is certainly one.

If you have any ability and are played 70% of the game in the middle in your 7th AFL season, you should be able to get the ball a bit. Thats all armstrong has done. Its what blokes like Richard Taylor did in 2001. Its no reason at all to keep him on the list.

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

Brent Staker is virtually out the door. He has been offered longer-term deals and more money by some Melbourne based clubs as well as the Sydney Swans. I can tell you even he is surprised by what he has been offered. The Eagles won't offer him more than a two-year deal and nor should they.
The guy has had six years and played one excellent half of footy against St Kilda and that is it. Let's not forget he has had a few games this year of accumulating less than 10 disposals.
Trade him now and watch him frustrate opposition supporters when he wears their home colours. We will get a second round draft pick at best for him.

 

[larrikin]

Brent Staker is virtually out the door. He has been offered longer-term deals and more money by some Melbourne based clubs as well as the Sydney Swans. I can tell you even he is surprised by what he has been offered. The Eagles won't offer him more than a two-year deal and nor should they.
The guy has had six years and played one excellent half of footy against St Kilda and that is it. Let's not forget he has had a few games this year of accumulating less than 10 disposals.
Trade him now and watch him frustrate opposition supporters when he wears their home colours. We will get a second round draft pick at best for him.

Another "insider"

 

[Delroy]

On that logic you'd never trade anyone

Not true, I'd say that Staker has a higher upside than a few players on our list, from the glimpses we have seen. There should definitely be room to keep him over others.

A player who I would consider tradeable is one you feel you know what you are getting rid of. (obviously anyone can have a huge breakout season and surprise, but some have less chance of doing that than others).

 

[larrikin]

Not true, I'd say that Staker has a higher upside than a few players on our list, from the glimpses we have seen. There should definitely be room to keep him over others.

A player who I would consider tradeable is one you feel you know what you are getting rid of. (obviously anyone can have a huge breakout season and surprise, but some have less chance of doing that than others).

Fair enough. Must've mis-read your OP

 

[BlueandGoldforever]

Another "insider"

Actually yes. Staker was at a party on Saturday night and was telling a friend of mine everything first hand. He would like to stay at the Eagles but the extra money is tempting him plus he wants to play in the midfield and the Eagles can't guarantee that, while other clubs are prepared too.