#StandBySmith

[LordLucifer]

Sacked as Captain and sent back to shield cricket, don't care that he's our best bat, this is disgraceful and he's shamed Australian Cricket with his piss weak actions.

Needs to be a little harsher than that though.

Contract torn up and banned from playing First class cricket in this country ever gain.

Cheating is cheating, if he was an Olympic athlete you'd want him banned for good.

 

[Jimthegreat]

Why are we pretending like cricketers being dickheads is a recent phenomenon?

Lillee and Miandad almost beat the shit out of each other 40 years ago.

I was around in 1974-75 when Ian Chappell was captain, he Lillee and Marsh were very aggressive and were part of what was called "the ugly Australians".

 

[PoopingHindi]

I was around in 1974-75 when Ian Chappell was captain, he Lillee and Marsh were very aggressive and were part of what was called "the ugly Australians".

i'd be interested to get Ian Chappells thoughts on this...minus the long winded anecdotes.

 

[BRWB]

i'd be interested to get Ian Chappells thoughts on this...minus the long winded anecdotes.

Dunno, be interested to hear what Les Favell would've thought of all this...

 

[G Mus]

He will get punished and should be, he would of known at least in a don’t ask don’t tell kind of way. That on its own is enough for a significant ban.

From what I can gather I’d do the following (and I’ve changed my tune on it a bit to the harsher end of the scale):

Bancroft - banned until end of next summer from all first class/t20 cricket

Smith - banned until after ashes and World Cup 2019. Extends to big bash and IPL (if possible)

Warner - banned for life from first class/big bash competitions in Australia

Lehmann - banned from coaching in Australia for life

Jesus Christ.


They didn't lynch someone

 

[BRWB]

Jesus Christ.


They didn't lynch someone

No but in any job if you get caught cheating and potentially cost your business millions, you'd be sacked.

So you could argue a suspension is light...

 

[G Mus]

No but in any job if you get caught cheating and potentially cost your business millions, you'd be sacked.

So you could argue a suspension is light...

And if you cheat in footy and push someone in the back half the time it's a freekick and the other time you take the mark

I don't think ball tampering is serious, else there would be precedent

 

[JG22]

He will get punished and should be, he would of known at least in a don’t ask don’t tell kind of way. That on its own is enough for a significant ban.

From what I can gather I’d do the following (and I’ve changed my tune on it a bit to the harsher end of the scale):

Bancroft - banned until end of next summer from all first class/t20 cricket

Smith - banned until after ashes and World Cup 2019. Extends to big bash and IPL (if possible)

Warner - banned for life from first class/big bash competitions in Australia

Lehmann - banned from coaching in Australia for life

too soft, public hangings for the lot of them

we don't even know the involvement of boof yet

 

[Present Not Past]

I remember the days when bowlers would shine one side of the ball on their trousers. Isn't that ball tampering?

 

[mcgarnacle]

Needs to be a little harsher than that though.

Contract torn up and banned from playing First class cricket in this country ever gain.

Cheating is cheating, if he was an Olympic athlete you'd want him banned for good.

Take it easy farkin.

Yes, a penalty is in order, but life is a bit extreme.

 

[kickazz]

Bit hard for him to come out and deny it when its been caught on camera.

Not sure his and the leadership teams' involvement was on camera?

 

[Blue1980]

Jesus Christ.


They didn't lynch someone

What would your punishment be?

I mean 6 month bans would be pointless, what cricket do we have in the next 6 months?

 

[Blue1980]

too soft, public hangings for the lot of them

we don't even know the involvement of boof yet

I should of added blasted from a cannon into a wall, naked.

Only for Warner. The rest can be clothed.

 

[BRWB]

And if you cheat in footy and push someone in the back half the time it's a freekick and the other time you take the mark

I don't think ball tampering is serious, else there would be precedent

If you genuinely think these are the same, then you and i are poles apart.

Good chat

 

[kickazz]

He will get punished and should be, he would of known at least in a don’t ask don’t tell kind of way. That on its own is enough for a significant ban.

From what I can gather I’d do the following (and I’ve changed my tune on it a bit to the harsher end of the scale):

Bancroft - banned until end of next summer from all first class/t20 cricket

Smith - banned until after ashes and World Cup 2019. Extends to big bash and IPL (if possible)

Warner - banned for life from first class/big bash competitions in Australia

Lehmann - banned from coaching in Australia for life

OTT. I mean we've even let spot fixers play again after lengthy bans.

What is your justification for penalties that in some cases are far, far in excessive of what is the norm in cricket? (eg Faf DuPlessis, Sachin, Afridi, etc).

Why should Warner's punishment be life without playing - judging the incident and not the man?

 

[Outshined]

I was around in 1974-75 when Ian Chappell was captain, he Lillee and Marsh were very aggressive and were part of what was called "the ugly Australians".

"The good old days".

Honestly, cricket hasn't been a gentleman's game since the Korean War.

 

[Blue1980]

OTT. I mean we've even let spot fixers play again after lengthy bans.

What is your justification for penalties that in some cases are far, far in excessive of what is the norm in cricket? (eg Faf DuPlessis, Sachin, Afridi, etc).

Why should Warner's punishment be life without playing - judging the incident and not the man?

Well we have no grey area on this in terms of was it wasn't it ball tampering, its obvious and they did it. If it was an isolated thing without priors, I may agree with more leniency.

While I don't like other nations throwing stones when they aren't exactly on the high ground here (in particular England, India, Pakistan and SA), I would like us to cut the cancers which have run rampant in the team for a long time now.

My suspensions are based on the following assumptions (and I could be wrong):

- That Warner and Boof were the 'brains' behind the plan
- Smith was dumb enough to go along with it
- Bancroft was just asked to do it because Warner knew he was being focused on (in his mind persecuted)

 

[Mateyman]

Bit hard for him to come out and deny it when its been caught on camera.

Worked for the South Africans with Rabada

 

[90N90S]

Smith as captain has the final say to cheat or not.

I used to captain I am sure a few of you guys have.

The buck starts and stops with Smith and the leadership group.

Now they are saying the whole team was involved in this shit.

I would not be surprised if they all knew about it.

Disgraceful has exposed us as hypocrites.

 

[HBF]

Worked for the South Africans with Rabada

True.
Still boggles my mind how he got to play in that test match.

 

[corbies]

"The good old days".

Honestly, cricket hasn't been a gentleman's game since the Korean War.

It hasn't been a gentlemans game since the Boer war.

 

[DaRick]

Well we have no grey area on this in terms of was it wasn't it ball tampering, its obvious and they did it. If it was an isolated thing without priors, I may agree with more leniency.

Faf is a repeat offender RE ball tampering though, so I find this argument problematic. Plus it is harder to give a repeat offender the benefit of the doubt.

On your broader post, Warner's a twat with a lousy prior record, but so was Shane Warne and we didn't ban him for more than 12 months for a more serious offence (drug use has always been punished far more harshly than ball-tampering). Not sure why Warner warrants even that.

He definitely deserves to be stripped of anything resembling a leadership role and harshly treated financially (may happen already RE sponsorships and the IPL), but not banned for more time than Smith (the captain who admitted to conspiracy) and Bancroft (the actual perpetrator). I'm in favour of short bans for all three given that nobody has ever been banned for ball-tampering (not even Faf). A ban in itself would be a radical punishment.

 

[90N90S]

'The bowlers knew about it. The whole team did'

The Australian cricket team is in danger of imploding over the cheating scandal that has rocked the sport following claims that the bowlers were ‘in’ on the plan to tamper with the ball in the third Test against South Africa at Cape Town.

A highly-placed source has told Wide World of Sports the bowlers were aware of the plan to use sticky tape on the ball to gain an edge over the Proteas, despite reports that spearheads Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood knew nothing about it and are fuming over being linked to the scandal.

“They knew about it - don’t worry about that,” the source says.

Australian captain Steve Smith has said the leadership group was aware of plans to tamper with the ball in the third Test.

“You don’t have something like this happen and the whole team not know.

“Of course they are playing dumb about it - you can’t blame them.”

Smith has already admitted to hatching a plan with the leadership group for Cameron Bancroft to use sticky tape on the ball as they looked for an advantage with the series locked at 1-all.

Bancroft has also confessed to his role in the plot after he was busted by television cameras using sticky tape on the ball before shoving it down his pants during play on day three.

Smith’s decision to name the ‘leadership group’ – which reportedly includes Smith, vice-captain David Warner, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood – has already caused a split among the players.

Hazlewood and Starc are furious at being drawn into it and there are reports that at least one of the bowlers has contacted the Australian Cricketers’ Association to demand that Cricket Australia clarifies their lack of involvement.

Smith was stood down as skipper for the remainder of the third Test, while Warner also gave up his position as vice-captain, but it is almost certain that there will be more punishments to come when Cricket Australia concludes its investigation.

Both Smith and Warner are facing year-long bans, while Bancroft could also be suspended. There are reports that coach Darren Lehmann will resign over the scandal.

The scandal has already seen skipper Steve Smith banned for the fourth and final Test against South Africa at The Wanderers on Friday.

Cricket Australia chief executive James Sutherland is expected to address the media after flying to South Africa.

The other concern is the impact it could have on the team in the long run, particularly if the senior players are already divided over the blame game which has erupted following the scandal.

There are a number of players already in the mix to fill spots in the team including Glenn Maxwell, Matt Renshaw, Joe Burns, Travis Head and Hilton Cartwright.

Cricket Australia hopes to provide more information on Wednesday morning (AEDT) after it has been investigated by Cricket Australia's Head of Integrity Iain Roy and executive general manager of team performance Pat Howard.

https://www.msn.com/en-au/sport/cri...the-whole-team-did/ar-BBKK06i?ocid=spartandhp

 

[DaRick]

'The bowlers knew about it. The whole team did'

The Australian cricket team is in danger of imploding over the cheating scandal that has rocked the sport following claims that the bowlers were ‘in’ on the plan to tamper with the ball in the third Test against South Africa at Cape Town.

A highly-placed source has told Wide World of Sports the bowlers were aware of the plan to use sticky tape on the ball to gain an edge over the Proteas, despite reports that spearheads Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood knew nothing about it and are fuming over being linked to the scandal.

“They knew about it - don’t worry about that,” the source says.

Australian captain Steve Smith has said the leadership group was aware of plans to tamper with the ball in the third Test.

“You don’t have something like this happen and the whole team not know.

“Of course they are playing dumb about it - you can’t blame them.”

Smith has already admitted to hatching a plan with the leadership group for Cameron Bancroft to use sticky tape on the ball as they looked for an advantage with the series locked at 1-all.

Bancroft has also confessed to his role in the plot after he was busted by television cameras using sticky tape on the ball before shoving it down his pants during play on day three.

Smith’s decision to name the ‘leadership group’ – which reportedly includes Smith, vice-captain David Warner, Nathan Lyon, Mitchell Starc and Josh Hazlewood – has already caused a split among the players.

Hazlewood and Starc are furious at being drawn into it and there are reports that at least one of the bowlers has contacted the Australian Cricketers’ Association to demand that Cricket Australia clarifies their lack of involvement.

Smith was stood down as skipper for the remainder of the third Test, while Warner also gave up his position as vice-captain, but it is almost certain that there will be more punishments to come when Cricket Australia concludes its investigation.

There could indeed be truth in such an allegation, but talk of 'highly-placed sources' always makes me suspicious.

There was, for example, 'a source close to team' that contended that there was a rift between Steve Waugh and Shane Warne during the 1999 World Cup.

Who was the source? Why, the opposition NZ coach Steve Rixon!

According to Steve Waugh, such highly-placed sources might be disgruntled administrators or members/supporters of the opposition (playing or otherwise) looking to unsettle the side, or even a rival cricketer looking to unsettle a cricketer that he doesn't like.

EDIT: Not just rift, an outright feud. Just double-checked Steve's autobiography.

 

[Richard Pryor]

"The good old days".

Honestly, cricket hasn't been a gentleman's game since the Korean War.

The English Captain broke his hand trying to punch the Australian Captain once way back in the 1800's, so longer than that.