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It's better than The Last Jedi.
The film pretty much plays it safe and damage controls what Rian horrendously did in TLJ.
Should have stuck with the original six and be done with it, but hindsight is a fickle thing.Let's be realistic, they are all varying degrees of s**t for different reasons, which one is less s**t than the others doesn't really matter. The only reason people watched these movies was because of the Star Wars IP, if you tried to tell similar stories without the SW IP in alternative sci-fi setting with that standard of script, acting, directing, producing, etc then they would have been Battlefield Earth type of clusterfu** movies.
Is there anything remotely redeeming about these movies outside of budget related things like the CGI/visuals, Soundtrack, etc? It is not that they are s**t movies so to speak, it is that they are poor legacies to what was an original classic that stands the test of time even by today's standards of filmogrophy. These will just be remembered as poor sequels by comparison.
Should have stuck with the original six and be done with it, but hindsight is a fickle thing.
At least with the original 6, you had a decent enemy and deep villains, the last three main movies haven’t had one at all. I.E. Compare the Empire to the First Order, the FO weren’t even allowed to touch or harm the good guys and the multiple betrayals were poorly explained.
Character motivations and transitions are all over the shop. And they made the plot armour of ep 6 look like nothing and I’m not just talking about Rey. At least with ep 1, you had an idea about what was happening (ie over taxation causing issues), the last three barely explain what’s happening in the background and why things are happening.
Loved Solo and Rogue One and loving the Mandalorian.
Agree 100%. The Star Wars films are massively over-hyped, essentially B-grade sci-fi, with a behemoth of a budget to blow on visual effects and marketing. The films are geared towards maximizing merchandising revenue for the franchise. This is Disney's Star Wars business model:Let's be realistic, they are all varying degrees of s**t for different reasons, which one is less s**t than the others doesn't really matter. The only reason people watched these movies was because of the Star Wars IP, if you tried to tell similar stories without the SW IP in alternative sci-fi setting with that standard of script, acting, directing, producing, etc then they would have been Battlefield Earth type of clusterfu** movies.
Is there anything remotely redeeming about these movies outside of budget related things like the CGI/visuals, Soundtrack, etc? It is not that they are s**t movies so to speak, it is that they are poor legacies to what was an original classic that stands the test of time even by today's standards of filmogrophy. These will just be remembered as poor sequels by comparison.
Should have stuck with the original six and be done with it, but hindsight is a fickle thing.
At least with the original 6, you had a decent enemy and deep villains, the last three main movies haven’t had one at all. I.E. Compare the Empire to the First Order, the FO weren’t even allowed to touch or harm the good guys and the multiple betrayals were poorly explained.
Character motivations and transitions are all over the shop. And they made the plot armour of ep 6 look like nothing and I’m not just talking about Rey. At least with ep 1, you had an idea about what was happening (ie over taxation causing issues), the last three barely explain what’s happening in the background and why things are happening.
Loved Solo and Rogue One and loving the Mandalorian.
Agree with most of those points. I know we’ve had the discussion about the weaknesses and merits of episodes 1-3 before, but I look upon those films with a sympathetic ear. These were the movies I watched in cinemas as a young kid and ep 2 is the only one I can’t watch fully. Those movies had some redeeming qualities.I agree with a comment BigRedRoo made, should have ended with the first three. The less we knew about the details, the better the original movies were. The original story was basically a space opera... with wizard-monks in space, there was a lot left to the imagination, like almost every detail and that was part of what made it great. Someone who didn't know that a parsec is a measurement of distance rather than a measurement of time shouldn't be fleshing out science fiction details. We didn't really need to know for the original movies to be good, it wasn't Star Trek with it's pseudo science and needing to explain intricate details.
I think to some extent JJ Abrams was backed into a corner thanks to Rian Johnson's mediocre story direction, I think Rey is a likeable character, she just has too many bullshit abilities for someone so poorly trained. I think if she gradually came into her abilities and was less of a Mary Sue at the start it would have made her connect with people better.
The other support characters were kind of s**t. Finn, Poe, Rose and whoever else was largely forgettable that I have forgotten to mention were just paper thin characters, I found it hilarious that someone put together The Last Jedi by cutting out all of Rose's scenes and you didn't really lose any important part of the story. They were all just low impact characters with poor plot arcs. Can you imagine cutting out Solo, Leia, Obi-Wan, etc from the original movie?
Ultimately where it fell down was the writing, but the directors had too much autonomy in the movies and Kathleen Kennedy was no Gary Kurtz. Thankfully he wasn't alive to see this abomination, to think he pulled out of the Return of the Jedi because he found the story to be too commercial as well as redundant. Kurtz was the only one who held Lucas in check and made him focus on the story telling and pacing of the movie. Abrams and Johnson just had free reign to do whatever s**t entered their head at the time, Kennedy may as well not have been involved in the projects at all.
It was interesting that Kurtz said that Solo should have died in The Empire Strikes back, that it was originally a darker story but Lucas began to deviate from the planned storyline, he clashed with Lucas because of Lucas' view that the audience was there mostly for the thrills instead of the story and he quit when Lucas changed the emphasis from storytelling to merchandise sales.
I think they lurched from Lucas' no death due to toy sales policy to a Game of Thrones disposal characters for fu** it we have 5 minutes to fill in this scene approach. Luke died for making his space skype call, Leia didn't die teleporting her lightsaber across the galaxy but died sending Kylo a space sms, Rey was force healing people all over the place, Ben dropped dead healing Rey. They kind of made the force to seem like space russian roulette.
I didn't mind Solo but through the entire movie was wondering why was I hear watching this movie, I don't care about any of these characters. They could have all died in the opening scene and the credits start rolling and I wouldn't have cared.
I liked Rogue One. It was probably the best Disney produced star wars movie, they had to actually make some effort on the storytelling because it wasn't just a fan service film.
I enjoy the Mandalorian, or as my friend calls it, Baby Yoda plus the guy in a helmet. The good thing about the Mandalorian is that the directors care about the story, I wish they made GoT style full-length episodes so they had more time for character development and story arcs, the latest double episode had more time to focus on the story and to me it felt better than some of the others that seemed a bit rushed in parts.
Because Rose and Porgs were so much better than Jar Jar....The original six?????
the original three you mean.
The second trilogy was utter crap.
The final three has at least repaired some of the damage of Jar Jar F'ing Binks.
Just a quick note on the new Star Wars movie for the Bigfooty crew.
After our indifferent form, my excitment has grown for the new movie and last night I finally got to see it.
AWESOME!
The movie is fantastic, the first half is not boring like some have said but is interesting with the love scenes, which I worried about, coming off very nicely indeed, and fairly short. Ewan McGregor is cool as Obi Wan and he and Anakin are fantastic together.
The end battle scene is amazing and wait for Yoda to show you why they say "the good things come in small packages."
An amazing movie that ranks about a 9.5/10.
Now I am fired for the weekend!
^^ Wtf was I thinking...how embarrassment.
Anywho, a massive bump...and who would have thought all these years later....ffs...
As a geek of many eons I can't help but empathise and laugh. Every time one of these movies came out, everyone loved it and it took ages for the knockers to gather enough force to build up the now pervasive hatred some have for the franchise, unleashing it in force, pardon the pun, before they buy their tickets and show up regardless to the Thursday midnight opening...
SW is stupid but fun. Amazing how the world returns to balance, and how childhood memories remain intact (I was 7 in 1977 and heard an entire cinema go "faaaark" as the star destroyer crawled overhead), when you walk into the cinema armed with this simple attitude...as I will be on Xmas day at 1pm and 4:30pm in Cairns Central...!
It is like a road crash, we don't want to see the body laying on the side of the road but people slow down and look regardless.
I don't think I hated any of the movies, they were largely entertaining, like I never stormed out of one of the movies. I have a high tolerance for mediocre science fiction, because the vast majority of science fiction is mediocre. The problem with modern Star Wars is they are legacies of the original movie primarily and the original trilogy, they just have never lived up to the same standard. The original was a great story pulled off very well, the weaknesses Lucas had as a director were compensated for by having other great filmmakers around him to keep him on point. We just haven't had that since and it has been reflected in the finished product. Abrams makes entertaining movies, I like how he rebooted Star Trek but a lot of trekkies hate it because the style is very different to traditional Star Trek storytelling, however, I think the characters in Star Trek were well handled.
There just aren't any new characters in Star Wars that I care about, he could kill them all off for all I care. Losing Luke, Leia, Solo, etc even Obi-wan in the original, these were losses because we liked and connected with the characters.
BioWare have been pretty good with some of the more modern stuff pre-episode 1.There were a couple of good star wars video games about 20 years ago tho.
Even Anakin in the second trilogy was a character. Not a particularly likeable one sure, but the second trilogy is trying to tell the story of how someone becomes a bit of a s**t bloke on an epic scale.
So the fact Anakin was a whiney, annoying ******* actually fitted the story.
I think I saw the first of these movies - where Han Solo got killed - but I don't really remember it. I haven't watched any since. They were cut out characters. The story was just a rehash of the original but not in an interesting way. (Maybe the characters were 1 dimensional in the first one as well but as a 7 year old kid you don't care as much.)
Just watched it, most of are my thoughts are similar to what I’ve uttered in earlier posts.
Better than Johnson’s mess, but a lot unexplained stuff and a whole heap of ‘good guys’ plot armour that had my non-SW fan brother shaking his head. He was angrier than I was, particularly about the last ‘battle’. Really disappointed about a complete lack of fleet battles in 7-9.
A lot of fan service, a lot of which was done poorly.
There were some positives, the music scores was good, Pryde was solid (had to be after they butchered Hux’s character), Ian McDiamrd brought good energy as the main villain and the force healing and Palpatine’s force storm stuff was actually a good call back to the old EU.
I feel horrible to say this, but I’m just overwhelming disappointed by the new trilogy.
I just feel really hollow and absolutely robbed; coming from a person who has devoted a decent part of my life to to such a unique and rich universe, to have watched this joke of a new trilogy has left my actually angry. This is a new thing for me, as I have never left a movie theatre, or watched a full movie, with feelings of absolute anger.
I’ll be called a hater, which maybe fair, it might not be. My criticisms don’t stem from hatred, just disappointment and a logic that has guided the franchise since 1977.
And this comes from a person who finds ways to defend the prequels.
I've come to realise that Star Wars fans (generally speaking) are a very miserable bunch. The cinema I saw this in applauded at the end of the film. Clearly none of the BF brethren were there that night. I loved this film and I have loved the Star Wars films all my life, though only 5 when the first one came out. Yes I suffered some grievous bodily harm like most with Episodes 1-3, with haunting memories of Jar Jar Binks however even with that trilogy I think I will re-visit one day.