Movie Star Wars: The Force Awakens - *Spoilers & Rumours inside*

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I'm glad he isn't making it.

Let's take a risk.
JJ is still producing it though which is good to see, I think the movie will need his experience ...

The director is Rian Johnson who has worked on Looper the film and some episodes of breaking bad..

I'm glad JJ is still sticking around..
 

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JJ is still producing it though which is good to see, I think the movie will need his experience ...

The director is Rian Johnson who has worked on Looper the film and some episodes of breaking bad..

I'm glad JJ is still sticking around..
So am I, in the same way I'm glad Lucas was present for Empire and Jedi.
TFA was a very good restart for the saga but I am looking forward to something that takes a few more risks and that won't happen with JJ at the helm.

As long as Luke Skywalker isn't killed off. That's a deal breaker.
 

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Just to run with the Plagueis theory, why Han/Leia know Snoke, why Kylo seems to be protecting Rey, and why Rey was left on Jakku, and why that Pablo dude has said Rey was never at Luke's academy.....


Plagueis created Anakin Skywalker. In order to bring down Sidious, who had attempted to kill him. When Vader did so, balance was restored. Now Plagueis can return from the shadows. But with Anakin's offspring now older and strong in the force, Plagueis attempted to seize control of them, of Luke especially, and thwart him from creating more Jedi. When Kylo was old enough, Plagueis saw in him that same Vader potential. Needed him to bring down Luke, to fulfill the prophecy again, the circle repeats, thru the Knights of Ren. Plagueis has the whole Skywalker family under his grip. Why Han/Leia know about Snoke (if he's Plagueis). He's tortured the Skywalker family for decades. Used them for their power for his own gains. The family Skywalker wants out of this wretched circle. Luke, Leia, Han, Kylo, they all want to protect Rey from Plagueis. Keep her hidden from him. So an elaborate complicated complex mess is in place. Where Kylo is really heading for redemption, really out to fulfill the prophecy again, to kill of Plagueis but has to do it thru so much sacrifice himself....conferting to the dark side, killing so many, killing his own father tho he can't bring himself to do it, all to get closer to Snoke and finish his training, learning everything there is to be learned, finding his weaknesses so he can be finally and utterly destroyed to free the Skywalker family from his grip. But Rey getting older now, and Snoke out to destroy Luke, it's sped things along. Rey is in danger now, with Snoke having cottoned on to her, and her using the dark side to defeat Kylo.
What is it with people's obsession in trying to create good from bad? There is no 'the ends justify the means', because that negates the want for redemption. That sort of reasoning is exactly what a proponent of the dark side would come up with. Ben Solo destroyed the new Jedi order that Luke was trying to establish - the Jedi order that Snoke/Plagueis is so fearful of. Any idea that he 'only did it to save the Skywalker family' is one of selfish self-centered interest if it is true and would mean that he could NEVER be redeemed because it was a conscious and willful choice of the dark side over the light. The theory is basically insinuating that Kylo Ren was so arrogant and prideful that he believed that he was the only one who could defeat Snoke/Plagueis instead of being mindful of the Living Force and the connection that all Jedi have through it, and that it was only through combined strength and working together in the light that would truly defeat the dark side.

If Plagueis created Anakin Skywalker, then the Skywalker line has to be sacrificed in order for the galaxy to be free. Not the galaxy being sacrificed so that the Skywalker line can be free. That is noble and heroic. Not this half-baked theory that is something that Palpatine would come up with.
 

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Because plot device. A small gripe of mine too tbh. As soon as C3PO said he was permanently out of commission (words to that effect anyway) when first re-introduced it was pretty obvious he'd power back up later on to offer important info. Was an obvious flag.
The only explanation I can come up with is that he was passively scanning for Rey and when she arrived on the planet he woke up. Because it couldn't have been BB-8 as it had already tried to wake R2 and failed.
 

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The only explanation I can come up with is that he was passively scanning for Rey and when she arrived on the planet he woke up. Because it couldn't have been BB-8 as it had already tried to wake R2 and failed.
Abrams has already said that R2 heard BB-8's question of whether he had the rest of the map in his backup data and started searching for it, only waking up when he found it.
 

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Abrams has already said that R2 heard BB-8's question of whether he had the rest of the map in his backup data and started searching for it, only waking up when he found it.
Then he's a poor story teller as R2 was completely unresponsive, a couple of lights turning on would have let the audience know something was happening, I'm preferring my explanation even if it is wrong.
 

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All good points, but the prophecy was that Anakin will destroy the sith and he did. Snoke may not be sith as evidenced by the fact he calls his dark side users/supporters the knights of ren. Plagieus was an old school sith, unless he renounced his sith teachings or inhabited a clone human body like sidious did in EU, Snoke isn't plagieus, as cool as that'll be.
The prophecy was that the Chosen one would bring balance to the force.
 
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I prefer Kylo as someone who's mentally unstable because he knows he'll never be like Vader, than some Revan clone who sacrificed himself to the dark side for the greater good. I also hope that when they said he had immunity to the light, that they meant killing Han was the last straw. I don't want to see a Return of the Jedi rip off where Vader 2.0 comes back to the light at the very end. I'd also prefer that Snoke isn't Plagueis, because that would mean Snoke is a Sith, and I'd rather have it that the prophecy of Anakin destroying the Sith was fulfilled. It would be more interesting if Snoke descended from those who proceeded the Sith, a group that influenced their teachings, something that only the very first Jedi Order would know about, with clues possibly being found at the first Jedi temple, where Luke is.
 

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I prefer Kylo as someone who's mentally unstable because he knows he'll never be like Vader, than some Revan clone who sacrificed himself to the dark side for the greater good. I also hope that when they said he had immunity to the light, that they meant killing Han was the last straw. I don't want to see a Return of the Jedi rip off where Vader 2.0 comes back to the light at the very end. I'd also prefer that Snoke isn't Plagueis, because that would mean Snoke is a Sith, and I'd rather have it that the prophecy of Anakin destroying the Sith was fulfilled. It would be more interesting if Snoke descended from those who proceeded the Sith, a group that influenced their teachings, something that only the very first Jedi Order would know about, with clues possibly being found at the first Jedi temple, where Luke is.
Or an ancient splinter group from the sith, whatever is the case, Snoke is apparently very old and ancient.
 

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Being the son of a General in the New Republic, a war hero, and the nephew of the last Jedi, would Kylo have grown up with a comfortable life of privilege? Of expectation? And how might have this contributed to his dark side leanings?
 

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Being the son of a General in the New Republic, a war hero, and the nephew of the last Jedi, would Kylo have grown up with a comfortable life of privilege? Of expectation? And how might have this contributed to his dark side leanings?
Or saw the inner corruption and failings a new galactic political system has in the new republic and maybe felt the empire was treated too harshly after the galactic civil war, aka Germany and the Versailles treaty. As bad as the empire was, it provided stability, justice and security to most of the galaxy, Kylo might have admired those ideals of the first order, which were similar to the empire's.
 

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Finally seen it, and it looked terrific on the big screen. I was a bit disappointed in it because the whole thing was pretty much a remake of A New Hope. Nothing new in it, and lacked a bit of depth that exists in the originals. I still enjoyed it, but I wasn't blown away by it.
 

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If Snoke is Palgueis then in a way Kylo is his great-grandson.
Like I said before....they might've thought he was dead, and all the sith destroyed with Sidious. But then Snoke (if he was Plagueis) revealed himself and took grip of the Skywalker family again. And they're trying to break free from it again. At least they understand it better now, before they didn't.
 

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Copy-paste from elsewhere. Again I fully buy into this, why it's no coincidence.

John Williams is a man of leitmotifs in his scores. Luke's theme (Binary Sunset), Han & Leia's theme, Vader's Theme (Imperial March), The Emperor (The Emperor on ROTJ, and Augie's Great Municipal Band on TPM), and Rey's Theme in the new film. They are all specific, and play overtop character moments. It's how he's always done business as a composer. Nothing is ever done in a half-assed way, or just because. these leitmotifs play when those character are present. As such, the almost exacting nature of the similarity between Palpatine's Teachings (ROTS score), and Snoke (TFA score) is notable. Especially because nowhere else in the entire saga does that particular leitmotif show up. It is exclusively over the scene where Palps talks about Plagueis.
 

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There's a good thread on theforce.net about things you didnt notice at first, but did on further watching of the movie.

So many interesting things people have picked up. I'm still fumbling my way thru the story, let alone picking up all those "easter eggs" going on in the background.

One for instance mentioned, is "apparently" Jar Jar Binks is seen in the Hosnian crowd I guess in that scene when the planet gets blown up. No other confirmation from others yet.

But a lot of interesting stuff picked up on.
 

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Copy-paste job again, but interesting as always...

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A couple of things I gained by reading the TFA novel about Rey....and I should add Rey was my favourite character in the movie....

In the vision scene Rey remembers the voice saying "I'll come back, sweetheart, I promise". Doesn't sound like something Kylo would say.

The novel suggests that Rey may have used the Dark Side or at least was tempted by it during the final battle with Kylo.

Here is the passage:
"“One downward cut, she saw. One quick, final strike, and she could kill him. The landing lights of a shuttle appeared in the distance, coming over the trees in her direction. She had to make a decision, now.
Kill him, a voice inside her head said. It was amorphous, unidentifiable, raw. Pure vengeful emotion. So easy, she told herself. So quick.
She recoiled from it. From the dark side.

Also of note is that on top of the line that remained in the movie of Kylo saying "What girl?" which somewhat suggested he may have an idea of who she is, there are two other quotes that were not included in the movie from the novel that pretty much confirm Kylo and Snoke know who she is:

“Taken aback, he whirled—to see the weapon land in the hand of a girl standing by a tree. Rey appeared equally shocked that her reach for the device had exceeded his. She gazed down at the weapon now resting in her grip.
It is you,” Ren murmured.
His words unsettled her: Not for the first time, he seemed to know more about her than she did about herself."

“Furious as he was, Snoke knew there was nothing he could do. So many plans so carefully laid, so many intentions that must now go unfulfilled…
“You will leave Starkiller at once and come to me with Kylo Ren. Leave immediately.” He added grimly, “It appears that he may have been right about the girl.”

I would suggest people to read the novel, it is a quick read and of course you can always skim the less important stuff. It allows you to read more of the thoughts from the characters to get a better sense of what they are about and thinking at different times in the movie.
 
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