It's not BS though. If, you're only using professional critic scores though, then maybe. But you have to look at many samples, not just from one site.
Like I said, read the frigging discussion I was replying to.
The inference Strange Cat made was that
professional critics were beginning to post negative reviews.
I was responding to that inference.
I think you are underestimating the number of people upset by this film.
I don’t think so. As I said there is a vocal group of angry Star Wars fans who have taken to social media and posted their contempt for this movie. Or should we believe that your average film goer is going to take the time to post a seething review for a movie they really couldn’t give a rats about in the first place.
You were denying that there was division, stating that it's only 1/20 bad reviews when it is a lot higher than that when you actually internet. It's not divisive if it's only 1 out of 20 disliking it.
Already explained this, hombre.
As for CinemaScore, it is an incredibly low sample size, and it is the same site that gave The Phantom Menace an A-, a movie where there was much more derision than this one. So saying the "vast majority of people" based on CinemaScore isn't exactly concrete. In fact you can't really make that statement with near enough certainty unless you look pretty much everywhere. Reddit, Facebook, YT etc.
Sites such as cinema score may use a low sample size but it is at least regulated and measured to eliminate as much bias as possible. At any rate, it is the preferred standard used by movie studios to gauge response to a film, whether you agree with it or not.
As you’ve pointed out however, it does have its glitches (though I do remember TPM on release was met very positively by fans, the critics less so. For what it’s worth, I myself rate it highest of all the prequels, which isn’t saying much. But I digress)
Still, it is far and away a better measure of a films reception than relying on random social media chatter. The only thing you gauge from it is that people are:
A) passionate about this franchise
B) really dislike the movie
That’s it, you can’t accurately say how many, what demographic, what their age is, male or female, even if they’ve commented/voted/rated the movie more than once.
It’s absurd to claim social media has any kind of worth to accurately measure the response or reception to a movie, particularly something as loved a the Star Wars movies.
Alright, so you put in a few points there that are either exclusively on sites like Infowars or that Donald Trump reddit, or are so incredibly rare it's not really worth mentioning. There'll always be idiots in comment sections. Things like "PC agenda" and "Rey is a girl" are not relevant to valid criticism of the film, most of the reviews we see do not mention shit like that (4, 5, 6, 8, 11lol). You're cherry-picking these reviews and stretching out some of these points as if they are the norm.
Yes, yes I was being facetious. I apologise however I will maintain that every single one of those points has appeared in many Social media fan reviews and been brought up on this very thread on numerous occasions.
There are also other criticisms you missed - like various plot points that made no sense (eg. Holdo not telling her plans, casino planet, the lack of character development of Poe and Finn in particular, etc) the lack of continuity between the previous movie... shall I go on?
Yes please do because pretty much everything you’ve mentioned is completely subjective and to many others, including reviewers, are non issues.
I myself am bewildered by the whole Holdo not telling her plans criticism?
But the main one is certainly Luke, and that's a valid criticism. So is the abundance of humour that ruins serious moments and Rey pretty much being a Mary Sue character. Another one I'd like to add that is overlooked - the lack of emotional reaction after Luke's death. It just felt so... empty.
Yes the Luke argument is valid, but it’s also subjective. I like that this twist has added a layer of complexity to Luke that wasn’t there in the OT and lack of emotional reaction to Luke’s death ... are you serious? I was welling up and Luke is probably my least favourite of the big three. Rey and Leia both acknowledged it and the scene of him just watching that sun set. That’s heart and emotion right there.
Also, just some advice. I’d avoid using the term ‘Mary Sue’ if you want to be taken seriously. It’s a lazy tag that is being used incorrectly and carries gender specific baggage, whether you intend it to or not.
The majority of people who will watch a Star Wars film will be Star Wars fans. Star Wars didn't become the biggest franchise in the world without them, and it certainly didn't become the biggest in the world from curious onlookers who are complete strangers to the universe. What's disingenuous is separating "fan" from "general public".
Well, not necessarily. It’s like saying people who go and see a spider man movie are Spider-Man fans. I’ve seen them but I’d hardly classify myself as a fan.
Star Wars films are f****** blockbusters and by definition are intended to be seen by as many people as possible - and they do because they’re good, fun, space adventures that teach us a little about ourselves, our world but most of all send us to a galaxy far, far away for two hours. When the movie is over most people leave and get on with their lives.
Leaving the idiot fans like us to post endless pages of commentary, analysis, vitriol and ecstasy over whether a Porg is migratory.