Stats observations

[jesterwester]

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I know we shouldn't get carried away but how is this...

Whoever loses this match on Sunday between Geelong and St. Kilda, could very well go on to win the premiership!

For the past seven seasons, the premiers have actually lost to the runners-up in their last match played against each other.

2008 - Geelong def Hawthorn in R17
2007 - Port Adelaide def Geelong in R21
2006 - Sydney def West Coast in the QF
2005 - West Coast def Sydney in the QF
2004 - Brisbane def Port Adelaide in R11
2003 - Collingwood def Brisbane in QF
2002 - Collingwood def Brisbane in R8

With the strong possibility of a Geelong and St. Kilda Grand Final, maybe it would be worth dropping the four points this week!

Well played...
Read this thread for the first time today, you posted that a fair while ago! It wouldn't have gone out of place a few weeks ago.. That is an incredible stat. Wonder if the same will happen next year??

 

[Hard Ball Get]

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Well played...
Read this thread for the first time today, you posted that a fair while ago! It wouldn't have gone out of place a few weeks ago.. That is an incredible stat. Wonder if the same will happen next year??

Missed that one myself when I recently read the thread. Very good stat.

 

[*Paul*]

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Has anyone got an actual breakdown of this stat. I don't doubt its true, but I'd like to see what the order of all scores was.

136 is the smallest winning margin that hasn't happened yet.

#              Margin
306            1 
298            5 
293            2 
287            6 
281            9 
277            11 
271            16 
266            15 
265            3 
265            17 
264            10 
262            13 
259            8 
258            4 
257            19 
256            7 
255            18 
252            12 
243            20 
239            24 
239            23 
239            14 
238            26 
232            25 
230            21 
228            22 
220            33 
220            28 
210            27 
203            31 
201            29 
189            32 
187            39 
183            30 
179            34 
177            35 
174            38 
173            37 
162            40 
161            36 
160            41 
152            44 
146            42 
143            0 
137            45 
135            46 
129            43 
121            49 
117            52 
117            47 
115            51 
113            48 
102            54 
100            53 
099            50 
097            56 
095            57 
085            60 
084            62 
079            63 
078            64 
077            55 
076            58 
074            61 
072            59 
067            68 
065            65 
060            69 
058            66 
054            73 
053            67 
052            70 
051            72 
049            76 
048            79 
048            77 
043            74 
040            80 
040            75 
039            71 
032            86 
032            78 
031            82 
030            89 
030            83 
028            87 
028            85 
028            84 
026            88 
026            81 
024            93 
022            94 
020            96 
020            92 
018            99 
018            91 
016            97 
014            90 
014            107 
014            104 
013            95 
011            102 
011            101 
010            98 
009            105 
009            103 
008            118 
008            117 
008            115 
008            114 
008            113 
008            100 
007            116 
007            109 
007            108 
007            106 
006            122 
005            129 
005            126 
005            125 
005            112 
005            110 
004            131 
004            127 
004            123 
003            141 
003            140 
003            135 
003            128 
003            124 
003            120 
003            119 
003            111 
002            157 
002            139 
002            138 
002            137 
002            134 
001            190 
001            178 
001            171 
001            168 
001            165 
001            164 
001            163 
001            162 
001            161 
001            160 
001            152 
001            151 
001            150 
001            147 
001            146 
001            143 
001            142 
001            133 
001            132 
001            130 
001            121

 

[Hard Ball Get]

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136 is the smallest winning margin that hasn't happened yet.

#              Margin
306            1 
298            5 
293            2 
287            6 
281            9 
277            11 
271            16 
266            15 
265            3 
265            17 
264            10 
262            13 
259            8 
258            4 
257            19 
256            7 
255            18 
252            12 
243            20 
239            24 
239            23 
239            14 
238            26 
232            25 
230            21 
228            22 
220            33 
220            28 
210            27 
203            31 
201            29 
189            32 
187            39 
183            30 
179            34 
177            35 
174            38 
173            37 
162            40 
161            36 
160            41 
152            44 
146            42 
143            0 
137            45 
135            46 
129            43 
121            49 
117            52 
117            47 
115            51 
113            48 
102            54 
100            53 
099            50 
097            56 
095            57 
085            60 
084            62 
079            63 
078            64 
077            55 
076            58 
074            61 
072            59 
067            68 
065            65 
060            69 
058            66 
054            73 
053            67 
052            70 
051            72 
049            76 
048            79 
048            77 
043            74 
040            80 
040            75 
039            71 
032            86 
032            78 
031            82 
030            89 
030            83 
028            87 
028            85 
028            84 
026            88 
026            81 
024            93 
022            94 
020            96 
020            92 
018            99 
018            91 
016            97 
014            90 
014            107 
014            104 
013            95 
011            102 
011            101 
010            98 
009            105 
009            103 
008            118 
008            117 
008            115 
008            114 
008            113 
008            100 
007            116 
007            109 
007            108 
007            106 
006            122 
005            129 
005            126 
005            125 
005            112 
005            110 
004            131 
004            127 
004            123 
003            141 
003            140 
003            135 
003            128 
003            124 
003            120 
003            119 
003            111 
002            157 
002            139 
002            138 
002            137 
002            134 
001            190 
001            178 
001            171 
001            168 
001            165 
001            164 
001            163 
001            162 
001            161 
001            160 
001            152 
001            151 
001            150 
001            147 
001            146 
001            143 
001            142 
001            133 
001            132 
001            130 
001            121

Interesting stuff

 

[Liam Boy]

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Footscray won their only premiership with exactly double the score of their opponent (Melbourne)

(Maybe not so obscure, but still quite an interesting thing)

 

[Ashb23]

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2009 was the first year in the history of the final 8 that a team from outside the 8 HASN'T made the top 4 the following year.

Only 2 teams (Adelaide and Geelong) have won the premiership after missing the 8 in the previous season.

 

[Nankervis brothers]

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Not right!
Collingwood beat Hawthorn at the 2nd Semi Final in 1977
Hawthorn beat Collingwood at the Qualifying Final in 1978

Also strange is that Richmond and Hawthorn have never met in a Finals match, despite both being in the "top five" in the Sixties to the Eighties (Carlton, Collingwood, Hawthorn, North Melbourne, Richmond)

Between 1967 to 1983 the Premiership was only shared by four teams (Carlton, Hawthorn, North Melbourne and Richmond) with Collingwood being runners up 4 times.

Also in 1975 was the only time all these "top five" made the Finals in the same year.

The simple reason for this is the VFL's policy of zoning, which was introduced in the mid-sixties to try and avoid wealthy clubs buying the lions share of the talent.

Sadly the policy had the opposite affect, and those teams allocated stronger recruitment zones (Hawthorn especially, Carlton, Richmond, North) tended to get the cream of the crop.

 

[emuboy]

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Noticed an interesting one the other day (not sure if has already been posted) about Carlton in 2008.

The Blues' lowest score of 10.15-75 that year was enough to beat Port Adelaide, but their highest score of 21.8-134 was a losing score against Essendon.

 

[Supermercado]

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In 1991 Melbourne kicked two goals in Round 1, but by Round 15 had kicked three of their four biggest scores in history. http://wiki.fcmelbourne.com/tiki-index.php?page=Match Records

 

[RogersResults]

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In 2008 Richmond scored 13 centuries, in 2009 only 2. This is the 2nd greatest drop in century scores from one season to the next.

More here:
http://www.rogersresults.110mb.com/Rogers_Results/Tables/century_scores.htm

OR

http://www.users.on.net/~susiewalsh/Rogers_Results/Tables/century_scores.htm

 

[RogersResults]

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Noticed an interesting one the other day (not sure if has already been posted) about Carlton in 2008.

The Blues' lowest score of 10.15-75 that year was enough to beat Port Adelaide, but their highest score of 21.8-134 was a losing score against Essendon.

Great observation! But I wondered, "has this happened before and if so how often?"

See here for the other incidences: http://www.rogersresults.110mb.com/Rogers_Results/home.htm

 

[Schulzenfest]

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Sorry if this is a repost, but for some reason the search function's not working:

Port Adelaide has a better winning percentage in Western Australia than Fremantle does.

 

[Falchoon]

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Ryan Houlihan is the only current Carlton player to have played in a winning Carlton final.

 

[RogersResults]

Round 1 predicting Grand Final Scores

In round 1 2009 St Kilda won with a score of 12.8-80. In the 2009 Grand Final Geelong scored 12.8-80 to defeat them.

See more instances of a Grand Finalist's first match of the season predicting score elements of the Grand Final.

http://www.rogersresults.110mb.com/Rogers_Results/Co-incidence.htm#R1GF

 

[winty]

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For the second year in a row, in Round 9, Brad Johnson had a shot at goal after the siren to win the game, and missed both times.

(credit to Roos4eva)

Just had a look at next year's fixture to see who the Dogs play in Round 9, and they play North Melbourne at Etihad, the same venue and opponent which saw Johnson miss the shot after the siren in 2008.

 

[Catsace]

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Richmond have a run of relatively similar scores against Geelong at various venues since 2005.

Rd 22 2005

Geel 10.9.69
Rich 10.8.68

Rd 6 2007

Geel 35.12.222
Rich 9.11.65

Rd 18 2007

Geel 21.13.139
Rich 11.3.69

Rd 8 2008

Geel 14.15.99
Rich 10.9.69

Rd 18 2008

Geel 20.14.134
Rich 10.11.71

Finally broken (aside from a big Tiger win over Geelong in Rd 9 2006 17.8.110 to Geelong's 12.18.90)

Rd 2 2009

Geel 15.15.105
Rich 13.7.85

So five out of six Richmond's scores against Geelong from 2005-2008 were between 65 and 71 points.

 

[winty]

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In Round 20 1992, there were three 100 point plus thumpings in 3 days. West Coast kicked off the routs, thumping Brisbane by 131 points on the Friday night, kicking 29.12.186 to 8.7.55. The next day Hawthorn smashed Essendon by 160 points at the MCG, kicking 32.24.216 to 8.8.56. The following day Adelaide obliterated Richmond by 110 points, 24.19.163 to 7.11.53.

Interestingly, the week before Hawthorn had kicked 7.13.55 for the day as they got smashed by 75 points by St.Kilda. They had equalled that tally by 1/4 time the next week, with 8.7 on the board at the first change.

 

[DarwinRoo]

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Great observation! But I wondered, "has this happened before and if so how often?"

See here for the other incidences: http://www.rogersresults.110mb.com/Rogers_Results/home.htm

Interesting. I saw that my club has been involved in a few instances and it almost happened again in 2001. Up until North's round 18 clash with the Swans our lowest score was 53 points in a win against the Cats, our highest score was 159 points in a loss to the Bombers. We only kicked 36 points against the Swans with half our score coming in behinds.

 

[daffo]

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In the period between the 1983-1985 grand final Essendon played in five finals, amazingly four of them were against Hawthorn (83 GF, 84 GF, 85 SF, 85 GF). The other was another final in 84, where we smashed Collingwood by 135 points.

 

[X_box_X]

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Current finals records by current seniour coaches.

Alastair Clarkson: 4 wins, 1 loss, 80%
Mark Thompson: 10 wins, 5 losses, 66.7%
Paul Roos: 7 wins, 6 losses, 53.8%
Mick Malthouse: 21 wins, 21 losses, 1 draw, 50%
Ross Lyon: 3 wins, 3 losses, 50%
Michael Voss: 1 win, 1 loss, 50%
Mark Williams: 8 wins, 9 losses, 47.1%
John Worsfold: 5 wins, 7 losses, 41.7%
Rodney Eade: 6 wins, 10 losses, 37.5%
Neil Craig: 3 wins, 6 losses, 33.3%
Brett Ratten: 0 wins, 1 loss, 0%
Matthew Knights: 0 wins, 1 loss, 0%
Mark Harvey: NA
Brad Scott: NA
Dean Bailey: NA
Damien Hardwick: NA

 

[UpForGrabs]

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The free kick count in the 1979 Grand Final was as follows;

Collingwood - 60
Carlton - 38

Billy Picken was the biggest winner on the day, giving away 1 free kick but receiving 11.

 

[red+black]

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Had Robert Harvey on my mind during the week, and an odd question came to mind. I was wondering if you started from Round 1, 1897 and went right through to the 2009 Grand Final, what is the least number of players required where each of their careers overlapped the next.

The answer is 9:

[B]1.[/B] (any number of players)
[B]2.[/B] Fred Elliott     R 1, 1899  -  SF,  1911
[B]3.[/B] Wels Eicke       R15, 1909  -  R18, 1926
[B]4.[/B] Jack Titus       R12, 1926  -  R15, 1943
[B]5.[/B] Lou Richards     R 6, 1942  -  R17, 1955
[B]6.[/B] Kevin Murray     R 4, 1955  -  R22, 1974
[B]7.[/B] Russell Greene   R 1, 1974  -  GF,  1988
[B]8.[/B] Robert Harvey    R19, 1988  -  PF,  2008
[B]9.[/B] (any number of players)

 

[Catsace]

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Had Robert Harvey on my mind during the week, and an odd question came to mind. I was wondering if you started from Round 1, 1897 and went right through to the 2009 Grand Final, what is the least number of players required where each of their careers overlapped the next.

The answer is 9:

[B]1.[/B] (any number of players)
[B]2.[/B] Fred Elliott     R 1, 1899  -  SF,  1911
[B]3.[/B] Wels Eicke       R15, 1909  -  R18, 1926
[B]4.[/B] Jack Titus       R12, 1926  -  R15, 1943
[B]5.[/B] Lou Richards     R 6, 1942  -  R17, 1955
[B]6.[/B] Kevin Murray     R 4, 1955  -  R22, 1974
[B]7.[/B] Russell Greene   R 1, 1974  -  GF,  1988
[B]8.[/B] Robert Harvey    R19, 1988  -  PF,  2008
[B]9.[/B] (any number of players)

Fascinating stat there......i would have thought it would be many more, although amazing to think that the latter three players come close to spanning the last half of the history of VFL/AFL footy with both Harvey and Murray's 20 season careers.

Got me thinking of who is left on AFL lists that can claim to have played footy with/against Gary Sr and Jr. The two Garys senior careers have parameters of 1996 for Gary Sr and 2002 for Jr, although Sr did play the opening game of the 1997 season in the reserves against Richmond, kicking 7 goals and also injuring his knee. The players who may well qualify for this distinction nowadays would be as follows (up to the end of 2009 season)

Steven King (1996-present)

Dustin Fletcher (1993-present)

Matthew Richardson (1993-present...at least 'till official retirement)

Ben Cousins (1996-present)

Anthony Rocca (1995-2009)

Tyson Edwards (1995-present)

Andrew McLeod (1995-present)

Brad Johnson (1994-present)

Jason Akermanis (1995-present)

Adam Simpson (1995-2009)

Michael O'Loughlin (1995-2009)

Darren Milburn debuted for Geelong in Rd 1 2007, likely stepping on to the arena while Gary Sr was leaving for the last time. No current Cat has now played in the same teams as both Garys.

Barry Hall didn't play Senior....would have been interesting if he'd tried to ruffle the great man!!

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Had Robert Harvey on my mind during the week, and an odd question came to mind. I was wondering if you started from Round 1, 1897 and went right through to the 2009 Grand Final, what is the least number of players required where each of their careers overlapped the next.

The answer is 9:

[B]1.[/B] (any number of players)
[B]2.[/B] Fred Elliott     R 1, 1899  -  SF,  1911
[B]3.[/B] Wels Eicke       R15, 1909  -  R18, 1926
[B]4.[/B] Jack Titus       R12, 1926  -  R15, 1943
[B]5.[/B] Lou Richards     R 6, 1942  -  R17, 1955
[B]6.[/B] Kevin Murray     R 4, 1955  -  R22, 1974
[B]7.[/B] Russell Greene   R 1, 1974  -  GF,  1988
[B]8.[/B] Robert Harvey    R19, 1988  -  PF,  2008
[B]9.[/B] (any number of players)

There was a thread on this very topic last year. It can be reduced to 8 players, starting with the first round of VFL football. The rounds listed are the final rounds in which both linking players participated.

1897 R1 Teddy Rankin (Ge)
1910 R9 Wels Eicke (St/NM)
1926 R18 Jack Titus (Ri)
1943 R15 Lou Richards (Co)
1955 R17 Kevin Murray (Fi)
1974 R22 Michael Tuck (Ha)
1991 R24 Robert Harvey (St)
2008 PF ?

 

[okeydoke7]

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I was thinking about Robert Harvey too...And he has more brownlow votes then free kicks against.