Stats observations

[35Daicos]

2 things.

Wasn't T-Shirt Tommy coaching in 1988?
If he was, wouldn't he've coached against Yabby?

1988 was the year Jeans took off (I think he had health issues) and Joyce filled in.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

1988 was the year Jeans took off (I think he had health issues) and Joyce filled in.

Ahh that explains it.

Cheers mate.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Brent Harvey (458) has kicked the most career goals without ever winning his club's leading goalkicker award in any season.

 

[red+black]

Collingwood playing outside Melbourne in Round 1:

1899, 1908, 1928 - Corio Oval
1961, 1967, 1978 - Kardinia Park
1988 - Carrara
1990 - Subiaco
2015 - Gabba

 

[Ron The Bear]

Last unchanged team

2014 GF Sydney
2014 PF Port Adelaide
2014 EF Richmond
2014 R19 Brisbane
2014 R14 Melbourne
2014 R12 Fremantle
2014 R7 Adelaide
2014 R6 Collingwood
2014 R2 Essendon
2013 R19 Carlton
2013 R16 North Melbourne
2013 R15 Geelong
2013 R2 Western Bulldogs
2012 R9 Hawthorn
2012 R4 St.Kilda
2012 R2 West Coast
never - Gold Coast & GWS

 

[rbartlett]

For your reference, a Richmond history/statistical wiki page is up and running, and being updated.
It is Tigerland Archive

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Picked up on something post the 2012 AFL Trade Period and it relates to guernsey numbers for different teams.

Previous numbers in parentheses.

Tom Hickey got No. 1 (No. 40.)
Hamish McIntosh, No. 17 (No. 1.)
Shannon Byrnes, No. 10 (No. 17.)
Cale Morton, No. 40 (No. 10.)

 

[Ron The Bear]

Rodney Eade will make his debut as GC coach on his 57th birthday. He'll be the sixth-oldest coach to start at a new club.

Looks to be a plum job, surely he'll fare better than the others on this list?

Age|Coach|Club|Club #|Date|Gms|Win %
\64y91d|Sheedy, Kevin|GWS|2|24/03/2012|44|6.8
\59y223d|Malthouse, Mick|Ca|4|28/03/2013|46*|42.4
\58y189d|Jeans, Allan|Ri|3|28/03/1992|22|22.7
\57y162d|Craig, Neil|Me|2|22/06/2013|11|9.1
\57y71d|Barassi, Ron D.|Sy|5|9/05/1993|59|22.0
\57y|Eade, Rodney|GC|3|4/04/2015|-|-
\56y336d|Cahill, John|PA|2|29/03/1997|44|45.5
\56y118d|Hall, Alec|Ha|5|2/05/1925|17|17.6
\56y90d|Kennedy, John J.|NM|2|29/03/1985|113|50.0
\55y186d|Pagan, Denis|Ca|2|29/03/2003|104|25.0

 

[red+black]

In each of the last 3 years, Melbourne has had a 1-10 record in either the 1st or 2nd halves of the season.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

In each of the last 3 years, Melbourne has had a 1-10 record in either the 1st or 2nd halves of the season.

Not sure if I should be in awe of that stat or disappointed in the Dees.

 

[Ron The Bear]

AFL legend Kevin Bartlett has accused the league of a "historical lie" by crediting Jock McHale with a record 714 games as a feud broke out over who coached Collingwood’s 1930 premiership.

Kevin Bartlett accuses AFL of ‘historical lie’ over Jock McHale’s coaching games record

I heard this slightly animated discussion between KB and Col Hutchison on SEN this morning. Have long thought that KB had a valid point (the game is credited to Rush in my database), but felt that Hutchison made a good case in support of the AFL, arguing that the role of coaches has evolved since football's early days when the coach was merely the man who prepared the team during the week and perhaps had a say in team selection.

After all this I'm undecided. Difficult to view everything in context unless you were around at the time.

 

[red+black]

Mick should let an assistant coach in NZ.


http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...ing-games-record/story-fni5f22o-1227106427528

Let's not get carried away Mick has to make it to round 5 first!

 

[the croucher]

Kevin Bartlett accuses AFL of ‘historical lie’ over Jock McHale’s coaching games record

I heard this slightly animated discussion between KB and Col Hutchison on SEN this morning. Have long thought that KB had a valid point (the game is credited to Rush in my database), but felt that Hutchison made a good case in support of the AFL, arguing that the role of coaches has evolved since football's early days when the coach was merely the man who prepared the team during the week and perhaps had a say in team selection.

After all this I'm undecided. Difficult to view everything in context unless you were around at the time.

How difficult is it to get, nobody that I'm aware of is trying to get McHale removed from lists which show him as coach for the 1930 season.
We are just trying to get the truth told about how many games he coached.

The AFL Guide includes a section which lists coaches over the years and there are plenty of examples where a "season coach" being away was replaced for a game or two by an "acting coach" and both figures are recorded correctly - e.g. Bisset is away (interstate) from South Melb for 2 matches in 1935, Diggins is recorded as coach for both, so AFL Guide credits accordingly. Same with Perc Bentley being away from Richmond for a game in 1937, Jack Titus is listed as coach for a game.

If the AFL's "McHale ruling" stands and is applied in a consistent and even-handed way,
then 50+ coaches (and 12 clubs) have to have their career figures re-written.

"McHale ruling" = credit a game to a bloke who wasn't there, remove a game from a bloke who did the job on the day.
Australian Football history will be the laughing stock of the world.

 

[red+black]

If a player doesn't play are they credited with a game, whether it be in 1930 or 2014? A coach should be treated the same way.

Did Gary O'Donnell coach Essendon in 2006 for 1 game? How about Simon Goodwin in 2013?

Did Brendon Bolton coach Hawthorn for 5 games for 5 wins this year, or should those games be credited to Alastair Clarkson for some reason? Maybe because he was 2-time premiership coach, or because he went on to coach the premiership this year?

 

[*Paul*]

Did you mean "not credited"?

It's a bit of a grey concept, but not being physically present at the game (as McHale wasn't) might be a start in codifying the criteria.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Did Gary O'Donnell coach Essendon in 2006 for 1 game?

Again, I have O'Donnell credited with that game and not Sheedy. Is O'Donnell officially recognised by the AFL?

IIRC, Sheedy took steps in advance to ensure that game would be officially credited to him.

 

[*Paul*]

While we're on the subject, Rhett has informed me that Dan Minogue was absent from Richmond's 1920 SF, the role handled by Hislop - though going by this article, not that enthusiastically.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/art...imits=dateFrom=1920-01-01|||dateTo=1920-12-31

 

[RedmanWasHere]

*Paul*

A correction is needed on your website.

It's Del Kennedy, not Dal Kennedy.

Source: His son who I volunteer with at an op shop.

 

[*Paul*]

Alrighty then, I've hit the Del key on Dal.

 

[red+black]

Again, I have O'Donnell credited with that game and not Sheedy. Is O'Donnell officially recognised by the AFL?

IIRC, Sheedy took steps in advance to ensure that game would be officially credited to him.

To me, O'Donnell was the coach that day and yes Sheedy wanted to be credited for it.

I was not happy with Sheedy in the week leading up to that game. I felt he was being very selfish.

 

[red+black]

While we're on the subject, Rhett has informed me that Dan Minogue was absent from Richmond's 1920 SF, the role handled by Hislop - though going by this article, not that enthusiastically.
http://trove.nla.gov.au/ndp/del/article/4580463?searchTerm=dan minogue final&searchLimits=dateFrom=1920-01-01|||dateTo=1920-12-31

Not sure anyone needs to be personally informed by Rhett about these things, we can all just follow his Twitter stream

 

[*Paul*]

It's Sheeds' game by a hypothetical "I showed up" rule:
http://books.google.com.au/books?id=a_Af8A7vo2gC&pg=PA280&lpg=PA280&ots=mQsJXMPnTE&focus=viewport

Not sure anyone needs to be personally informed by Rhett about these things, we can all just follow his Twitter stream

I am not a "Twitt" - never visited the site. In fact, I block the whole domain to stop other sites making useless connections to it. Ditto Facebook.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Alrighty then, I've hit the Del key on Dal.

 

[UpForGrabs]

I am not a "Twitt" - never visited the site. In fact, I block the whole domain to stop other sites making useless connections to it. Ditto Facebook.

You should Paul.

If Twitter love is anything to go by, you'd be surprised at the footy people who would bow down before you if they ever crossed you in the street.

But that assumes you get a kick out of people telling you how awesome you are.

 

[*Paul*]

I definitely don't, and it would be even more cringeworthy given the work put in by others.