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Stats observations

Discussion in 'Football Statistics' started by red+black, Apr 27, 2009.

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  1. RedmanWasHere

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    Nothing "sexy" about it.
     

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  2. OES

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    St Kilda kicked 15 goals at the Adelaide oval this year.

    9 of those goals came in the two final quarters.

    I highly doubt a team has ever had so few goals kicked at a venue without a goalless quarter yet also without kicking more than a single goal in six of the quarters.

    We still haven't won at Adelaide oval.
     
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    Nor at Perth Stadium - not to worry, both of these "hoodoos" will be overturned in 2018.
     
  4. Ron The Bear

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    University were younger than their opponents in all 126 VFL matches. They were never closer in age than the 0.50 years per player v St.Kilda in R1 1910, a game they won by 22 points. Of the seven lowest age deficits, they won five games, by 15, 21, 22, 25 & 26 points, suggesting that pound for pound they weren't as bad as their record indicates.
     
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    Longest gap between first and last games kicking x goals

    GoalsDaysPlayerCount
    141814Ablett senior, Gary1
    131456Wade, Doug4
    124110Lockett, Tony6
    113283Vallence, Harry18
    103386Hudson, Peter21
    94431Riewoldt, Nick41
    84761Lockett, Tony99
    75579Coventry, Gordon181
    65908Mueller, Jack360
    56153Whitten senior, Ted763
    46566Bartlett, Kevin1426
    37012Harvey, Brent2677
    27196Harvey, Robert4518
    17700Fletcher, Dustin7105
     
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  6. emuboy

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    Non finalists Melbourne and GWS met in the final round of the 2015 season, the Demons defeating the Giants.

    When Round 1 2016 kicked off, Melbourne and GWS fans no doubt felt a sense of dejavu, with the Demons and Giants again facing off on Easter Saturday.

    While it is not unique for teams meeting in the last round of one season to meet again in the first round of the next, it is remarkable that the two teams have not played each other again until today - an amazingly long time for teams not to have played each other.

    With the exception of teams withdrawing during the World Wars, are there any examples of teams that have gone longer without meeting each other?
     
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  7. red+black

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    So, we're looking for more than 40 rounds between H&A games:
    2016 - R1 ... 21 H&A games
    2017 - 19 H&A games ... R20

    One interesting one is St Kilda and North who played in R2-1943 but not again until R11-1944.

    But the record might be Adelaide and Geelong who played in R1-2014 but not again until R23-2015 (44 rounds). This was because their R14-2015 game in Adelaide was cancelled due to the death of Phil Walsh.
     
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    Excluding 2000 which started and finished early due to the Olympics, 2017 will be the equal earliest finish for a H&A season of 20+ rounds.

    Earliest end to H&A season 1945- (20+ rounds except where indicated*):
    06 August: 2000
    18 August: 1956*
    20 August: 1955*
    22 August: 1964*
    23 August: 1958*
    24 August: 1957*
    25 August: 1962*
    26 August: 1967*, 1961*, 1950*
    27 August: 2017, 1983, 1977, 1966*, 1960*, 1949*
    28 August: 2016, 2005, 1988, 1982, 1976, 1971, 1965*, 1954*
    29 August: 2010, 2004, 1999, 1993, 1981, 1970, 1959*, 1953*
    30 August: 2009, 1998, 1992, 1987, 1986, 1980, 1975, 1969, 1952*, 1947*
    31 August: 2014, 2008, 2003, 1997, 1974, 1968, 1946*

    * - 18- or 19-round season
     
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  9. red+black

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    Best 10th-best goal haul:

    12 - Lockett
    11 - McKenna, Dunstall
    10 - Coventry, Coleman, Hudson, Ablett Snr
     
  10. emuboy

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    Thanks Red & Black - I was wondering if the cancelled Adelaide vs. Geelong match in 2015 might be a factor in this, but wasn't sure when the Crows and Cats played in 2014. It's another interesting Geelong vs. Adelaide statistic, with these teams holding the record for the greatest disparity in margins between the teams in the same season. In Round 8 1992 Geelong defeated Adelaide by 123-points at Kardinia Park, but in Round 23 1992 Adelaide beat Geelong by 91 points at Football Park in Adelaide.

    At the other end of the scale, not counting finals, what is the shortest amount of time between meetings in a season, not counting finals? One anomaly in the fixtures I found was in 1988, when Hawthorn played the Brisbane Bears in pouring rain at Princes Park in Round 12 (possibly the worst jumper clash match I have ever seen - check it out on Youtube), then played them again just 3 weeks later in Round 15 in warm sunny conditions at Carrara on the Gold Coast.

    I'm not sure if teams have ever been scheduled to meet in successive weeks or 2 weeks apart in the AFL/VFL, but the short-lived Western Reds rugby league team played Cronulla in successive weeks in both 1995 & 1996. And in the WAFL in 2013, Swan Districts played Peel Thunder in Round 19, had a bye in Round 20, then the Swans again played the Thunder in Round 21.
     
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    Brisbane was 1.50 years younger than the next youngest club this round (22.98, Gold Coast 24.48).

    Aside from GWS in 14 rounds between 2012-14, the last time such a margin was recorded was by Carlton in the 2007 Kreuzer Cup (22.25, Richmond 24.00).

    Prior to that it was a rebuilding Collingwood in R2 & 7, 2000.

    The highest margin ever recorded was 2.61 years by Collingwood, 1923 R1 (23.54, Fitzroy 26.15). That team featured six young future premiership players from 'The Machine' years 1927-30 (Coventry x 2, Chesswas, Wescott, Wilson, Poulter).
     
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    Yesterday was Hawthorn's first game since R21 2001 where they didn't field a side with a previous HFC B&F winner.
     
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    Most games coached since last grand final

    GmsCoachTGmsClub(s)Career
    352Eade, Rodney377Sy,WB,GC1996-2017
    220Northey, John315Sy,Me,Ri,Br1985-1998
    217Barassi, Ron D.515Me,Ca,NM,Me,Sy1964-1995
    202Worsfold, John322WC,Es2002-2017
    198Ayres, Gary223Ge,Ad1995-2004
    187McHale, Jock714Co1912-1949
    183Walls, Robert347Fi,Ca,Br,Ri1981-1997
    182Sheedy, Kevin679Es,WS1981-2013
    174Pagan, Denis344NM,Ca1993-2007
    159Roos, Paul268Sy,Me2002-2016
    152Dyer senior, Jack222Ri1941-1952
    151Daniher, Neale223Me1998-2007
    150Whitten senior, Ted228WB1957-1971
     
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    Dean Solomon's interim appointment as Gold Coast coach uncovers quite a range of stats.

    First coach:

    Drafted in the 1997 AFL Draft.
    Who debuted in 1998.
    Born in 1980.
    Of a Queensland side born in the '80's.
    born in 1980 and, in turn, the '80's who was coached by Kevin Sheedy.
    Who played for Bendigo Pioneers.
    Out of Solomon, Tarrant and Alvey.

    Second coach born in the '80's. (Essendon's Matthew Egan was the first and he was born in 1983).
    Both Solomon and Egan were interim coaches and their previous coaches (Hird and Eade) were sacked in R20. (2015 vs 2017.)

    He becomes the youngest Gold Coast Suns coach.
    He is the 3rd of the 2000 premiers to be coach. (Hird and Hardwick the others.)

    At 189cm and 102kgs, Solomon becomes the tallest and heaviest Suns coach in their short existence.
     
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    They are terrible observations.
     
  16. red+black

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    Worst win% of the top 25 coaches by games coached:

    46.97% - Robert Walls [162-2-183] (16th most games coached)
    49.73% - Rodney Eade [185-5-187] (14th most games coached)
     
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  17. Ron The Bear

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    Under the 3-2-1 voting system, three players have finished top ten in a Brownlow without polling in any another season.

    Gordon Jones (Me), 61 games 1935-40, equal 9th in 1938 (12 votes)
    Harold Davies (St), 85 games 1953-59, outright 5th in 1957 (14 votes)
    Justin Charles (WB/Ri), 90 games 1989-98, equal 8th in 1996 (17 votes)
     
  18. red+black

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    Sydney's first player in alphabetical order yesterday (and many other times this season) was Lance Franklin, beginning with F

    This is an unusually late beginning, as other teams usually have a or many A-C surnames kicking off their teams
     
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    I raised this one last year and one of the gurus brought out a few games where they started with even later letters in the alphabet.

    One game Melbourne had this year their first name alphabetically was Frost, obviously even later than Franklin.
     
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  21. red+black

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    Most wins at Kardinia Park:

    88 - Newman
    86 - Bartel (+ 2 draws)
    83 - I Nankervis
    81 - Goggin (+ 1 draw)
    79 - MACKIE*
    78 - Enright (+ 2 draws)

    *will probably slot into 3rd if he plays next year. He won't however break into the top 10 for most games played at KP.
     
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    Marr, Joe (Ca) 1 match
    Herring, Maurie (Me) 1 match
    Healing, Alf (Me) 3 matches
    Hart, David (WC) 2 matches
    Harding, Paul (WC) 2 matches
    Hamilton, Jack (Co) 2 matches
    Griffiths, Dave (Ri) 2 matches
    Green, Jack (Co) 1 match
    Goodes, Adam (Sy) 1 match
    Gooch, Arthur (Co) 3 matches
    Goding, Charlie (Me) 1 match
    German, Peter (NM) 1 match
    Geddes, Stewart (Me) 6 matches
    Gastev, John (WC) 1 match
    Garlett, Jeff (Me) 1 match
    Gale, Len (Fi) 1 match
    Gabelich, Ray (Co) 5 matches
    Fulton, Terry (Ge) 1 match
    Fry, Herb (Me) 3 matches
    Frost, Sam (Me) 7 matches
    Freake, Jimmy (Fi) 1 match
    Frawley, James (Me) 1 match
    Fraser, Don (Ri) 2 matches
    Franklin, Lance (Sy) 10 matches

    For a match, the leader is Jamie Duursma (Me) 1988 EF v WC

    The other way

    Moyes, Harry (St) 2 matches
    O'Brien, Paddy (Ca) 3 matches
    O'Halloran, Jack (NM) 2 matches
    Orchard, Billy (Ge) 1 match
    O'Rourke, Jack (St) 2 matches
    Outram, Percy (Ca) 1 match
    Owen, Charlie (Fi) 1 match
    Owen, Rod (St) 1 match
    Pannam, Charlie (Ri) 1 match
    Parish, Darcy (Es) 1 match
    Parkes, Eric (NM) 3 matches
    Parks, Ossie (NM) 1 match
    Passmore, Michael (NM) 1 match
    Pattison, Andy (Fi) 1 match
    Payne, Billy (Ca) 5 matches
    Pearce, Clancee (Fr) 3 matches
    Perovic, Val (Ca) 2 matches
    Picken, Liam (WB) 1 match

    For a match - Cec Ruddell (Es) 1945 R20 v NM
     
  23. adammania9

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    Good lord where do you get all these? It's amazing
     
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    Goggin, Newman and Ian Nankervis probably helped a bit by playing in pre-Waverley seasons before 1970 where 9 and 10 games were played at KP. Until ground rationalisation in the mid 90's Geelong played 9 a season...and i think there was one year of playing 10 at KP in the late 80's or early 90's. But in recent years it's been 7 or 8.

    I'll check the game tallies of the aforementioned players at KP.

    Sam Newman..............88 wins from 132 games. Given Geelong were pretty crappy for most of the 70's, that win percentage is still pretty high.

    Jimmy Bartel...............86 wins, 2 draws from just 101 games

    Ian Nankervis..............83 wins from 138 games

    Bill Goggin...................81 wins and a draw from 113 games

    Andrew Mackie.............79 wins from 91 games

    Corey Enright...............78 wins, 2 draws from 103 games

    If the likes of Selwood, Hawkins and H.Taylor play a couple more years too they should challenge for the lead. But with Geelong playing often 24/25 games per season in recent years, playing just 7 a season at KP means they are only nibbling away at that win tally.

    The stats obtained through Paul's AFL Tables.
     
  25. red+black

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    Least number of games that no player has ever retired on:

    287*, 295**, 296, 298, 299***
    308****, 309, 310, 314, 315

    * Leigh Montagna looks likely to retire on 287 games
    ** Steve Johnson has played 290 games and could finish on 295 or 296
    *** Jarrad McVeigh has played 296 games and could finish on 299 (unlikely)
    **** Scott Thompson has played 308 games and may have already played his last game
     
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