Stats observations

[worbod]

Grand final victories which were part of a lengthy winning streak.

Season	Premiers	Consecutive Wins	Beginning
1995	Carlton	16	round 10
2001	Brisbane Lions	16	round 10
1903	Collingwood	15	round 5
1937	Geelong	14	round 7
1950	Essendon	14	round 7
1918	South Melbourne	12	round 5
1961	Hawthorn	12	round 9
2019	Richmond	12	round 15
1933	South Melbourne	11	round 10
1949	Essendon	11	round 12
1898	Fitzroy	10	round 10
1910	Collingwood	10	round 12
1911	Essendon	10	round 11
1932	Richmond	10	round 11
1952	Geelong	10	round 12

 

[Ron The Bear]

Lowest ladder position to win premiership

Round 1 - 14th (West Coast 1992, 2018)
Round 2 - 14th (North Melbourne 1999)
Round 3 - 14th (Richmond 2019)
Round 4 - 13th (Adelaide 1997, North Melbourne 1999, Richmond 2019)
Round 5 - 12th (Adelaide 1997, North Melbourne 1999)
Round 6 - 13th (Adelaide 1997)
Round 7 - 11th (Essendon 1993)
Round 8 - 10th (North Melbourne 1975, Adelaide 1998, Sydney 2005)
Round 9 - 10th (North Melbourne 1975)
Round 10 - 9th (Carlton 1945, Sydney 2005)
Round 11 - 10th (Adelaide 1998)
Round 12 - 10th (Adelaide 1998)
Round 13 - 8th (Essendon 1949, Richmond 2019)
Round 14 - 9th (Richmond 2019)
Round 15 - 7th (Carlton 1945, Essendon 1993, Richmond 2019)
Round 16 - 6th (Carlton 1945, Essendon 1993, Richmond 2017, Richmond 2019)
Round 17 - 7th (Adelaide 1998)
Round 18 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 19 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 20 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 21 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 22 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 23 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 24 - 4th (West Coast 1992)

 

[worbod]

Gold Coast conceded the three highest scores of the season, the first time this has happened since West Coast did so in 2008. It has occurred 10 times altogether.

2019: Gold Coast
2008: West Coast
1993: Sydney
1973: Essendon
1922: Geelong
1913: University
1901: St. Kilda (conceded the four highest scores)
1900: St. Kilda
1899: St. Kilda (conceded the ten highest scores)
1898: St. Kilda (conceded the five highest scores)

 

[X_box_X]

Since 1997, the Bulldogs have competed in 11 finals campaigns. In each of those finals, the Bulldogs have played against at least one interstate team. The last time the Bulldogs competed in finals where they didn't play an interstate team was 1995. Prior to this record starting, the Bulldogs had never played an interstate team in finals.

 

[X_box_X]

Grand final victories which were part of a lengthy winning streak.

Season	Premiers	Consecutive Wins	Beginning
1995	Carlton	16	round 10
2001	Brisbane Lions	16	round 10
1903	Collingwood	15	round 5
1937	Geelong	14	round 7
1950	Essendon	14	round 7
1918	South Melbourne	12	round 5
1961	Hawthorn	12	round 9
2019	Richmond	12	round 15
1933	South Melbourne	11	round 10
1949	Essendon	11	round 12
1898	Fitzroy	10	round 10
1910	Collingwood	10	round 12
1911	Essendon	10	round 11
1932	Richmond	10	round 11
1952	Geelong	10	round 12

Terrific.

I had always wondered if Carlton and Brisbane held this record. I knew they both won their 16th consecutive game on the way to their flags. Thanks for clearing this up for me.

 

[emuboy]

Two teams broke long droughts in individual awards this year when players claimed them for the first time. Carlton's Sam Walsh won the Rising Star award, the first Blues player to win the award since its inception in 1993. In the NAB League, Lucas Rocci became the first ever player to win the Morrish Medal for the Western Jets. No Western Jets player had won the award since their commencement in 1992, the only TAC Cup team to have never had a Morrish Medalist.

Across the border in South Australia, the Woodville West Torrens Eagles had no such luck with their Magarey Medal drought. No Eagles player has won a Magarey Medal since the merged Eagles began in 1991. The last Magarey Medalist for West Torrens was Lindsay Head way back in 1963 and the last (and only) Woodville player to win a Magarey Medal was Malcolm Blight in 1974.

Another long drought is the JJ Liston Trophy drought of the Northern Blues in the VFL (previously the Preston Bullants, Preston Knights and Northern Bullants) which last provided a winner in 1990 (Matthew Burrows) in a four way tie for the award.

 

[emuboy]

Ken Kendall, Brendan Krummel, Michael McLean and Marc Lock hold a rare achievement in the world of football trivia - they are the only four players to have played in the debut game of expansion teams, but this was their only game for this club.

Ken Kendall played in University's debut match against Essendon in 1908, but did not play another game for the students and had no other VFL games for rival VFL teams before or after.

Brendan Krummel played a small number of games for the West Coast Eagles in 1992, 1993 and 1994 before joining the new Fremantle team for 1995. He played in the Dockers' debut match against Richmond in Round 1 1995, but never represented Fremantle again before joining Hawthorn and having a successful career for the Hawks from 1996-2000.

Michael McLean was a strong player for the Brisbane Bears from 1991-1996, and prior to this was a successful player at Footscray from 1983-1990. McLean was in the initial Brisbane Lions squad following the Bears merger with Fitzroy at the end of 1996. He played for the new Lions team in their debut match, a 36-point defeat against the Adelaide Crows at Football Park in Round 1 1997, but this was his only ever appearance for the Brisbane Lions.

Marc Lock was the captain of the Gold Coast development team in the TAC Cup in 2009 and the VFL in 2010. While no longer captain, he took his place in the Gold Coast Suns debut match against Carlton at the GABBA in Round 2 2011, but the 20 goal thrashing by the Blues was Lock's only senior game at AFL level.

 

[emuboy]

In the five years that the Allies were in State of Origin (1995-1999), they never met South Australia.

Instead of having a round robin system where the four teams would play each other over three years, the AFL had a system of two SOO games where the two winners would play each the next year, and the two losers would play the next year, this pattern continuing in following years.

This started in 1995 where Victoria played and defeated South Australia, while the Allies beat Western Australia so the schedule for 1996 was Victoria vs. Allies and South Australia vs. Western Australia. In the following years Victoria were never beaten, South Australia and the Allies always beat Western Australia but could never beat Victoria, while Western Australia failed to win any of these matches (and indeed any SOO games after 1991), so a South Australia vs. Allies game never eventuated.

In 1999, the WA vs. Allies game was cancelled and after Victoria defeated South Australia before a dismal crowd at the MCG, the dying concept was finally put out of its misery.

 

[footyfan1978]

Lowest ladder position to win premiership

Round 1 - 14th (West Coast 1992, 2018)
Round 2 - 14th (North Melbourne 1999)
Round 3 - 14th (Richmond 2019)
Round 4 - 13th (Adelaide 1997, North Melbourne 1999, Richmond 2019)
Round 5 - 12th (Adelaide 1997, North Melbourne 1999)
Round 6 - 13th (Adelaide 1997)
Round 7 - 11th (Essendon 1993)
Round 8 - 10th (North Melbourne 1975, Adelaide 1998, Sydney 2005)
Round 9 - 10th (North Melbourne 1975)
Round 10 - 9th (Carlton 1945, Sydney 2005)
Round 11 - 10th (Adelaide 1998)
Round 12 - 10th (Adelaide 1998)
Round 13 - 8th (Essendon 1949, Richmond 2019)
Round 14 - 9th (Richmond 2019)
Round 15 - 7th (Carlton 1945, Essendon 1993, Richmond 2019)
Round 16 - 6th (Carlton 1945, Essendon 1993, Richmond 2017, Richmond 2019)
Round 17 - 7th (Adelaide 1998)
Round 18 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 19 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 20 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 21 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 22 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 23 - 7th (Western Bulldogs 2016)
Round 24 - 4th (West Coast 1992)

Given the amount of teams in the league has not been constant and varies greatly from 8 some years to 18 now, weird to put together like this.
Be more meaningful to order it by number of spots on ladder outside qualifying for finals or how far from bottom at certain rounds of season.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Given the amount of teams in the league has not be constant and varies greatly from 8 some years to 18 now, weird to put together like this.
Be more meaningful to order it by number of spots on ladder outside qualifying for finals or how far from bottom at certain rounds of season.

Fitzroy were last or second-last for most of 1916 (four teams). Thought it would be better measured by number of teams above rather than number of teams below.

The only other premier to be on the bottom after a completed round was Carlton following Round 1, 1907 and again after Round 3, 1945.

 

[emuboy]

It's little wonder that the Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy merged to form the Brisbane Lions when you consider the following:

1. The Brisbane Bears' first ever home game at Carrara on the Gold Coast in Round 4 1987 was against Fitzroy.
2. The Brisbane Bears' first ever win at the GABBA was over Fitzroy in Round 16 1991.
3. After beating Fitzroy in Round 21 1989 at Waverley Park (the only time the teams played there), the Bears did not win another game in Victoria until Round 18 1992, when they defeated the Lions again this time at Princes Park.
4. Fitzroy's last official home game at Princes Park in Round 21 1993 was played against the Brisbane Bears.
5. Fitzroy played and defeated the Brisbane Bears in their first home game at the Western Oval, in Round 3 1994.
6. Fitzroy's last ever home fixture was against the Brisbane Bears in Round 20 1996.
7. Fitzroy's last ever win by 100 points or more was over the Brisbane Bears in Round 21 1993.
8. The Bears' last ever century victory was a 109-point demolition of Fitzroy at the GABBA in Round 5 1996.
8. Brisbane Bears coaches Norm Dare (1990) and Robert Walls (1991-1995) both played for Fitzroy, with Walls also coaching the Lions in the 1980s.
9. Alistair Lynch, Scott McIvor, Ross Lyon, Brendan McCormack, Bernie Harris, Matt Rendell, Brad Edwards, Chris Stacey, Michael Gibson, Darryl Cox and Kevin Caton went from Fitzroy to the Bears.
10. Mark Zanotti, David Bain and Nigel Palfreyman all transferred from the Brisbane Bears to the Fitzroy Lions.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Only 4 players out of 93 in Hawthorn colours, have a losing Grand Final record, with 2 or more appearances on the big day.

Peter 'Felix' Russo played in 5 Grand Finals; 1978, 1984, 1985, 1986 & 1987, for 2-3 win/loss record.....He missed the 1983 finals with a knee injury.
Ken Judge played in 3 Grand Finals: 1983, 1984 & 1985, for a 1-2 win/loss record.
Russell ' Fly' Morris played in 3 Grand Finals: 1985, 1986 & 1987, for 1-2 win/loss record.
Finally, Rod 'Snuff' Lester-Smith, remains the only Hawk to have played in more than 1 Grand Final without a win, in 1984 & 1985.

On the other side of the ledger, 3 Hawthorn players have played in 3 Grand finals for 3 Premierships, & not tasted defeat.

James Morrissey: 1988, 1989 & 1991.
Brian Lake: 2013, 2014 &2015.
& Brad Hill: 2013, 2014, 2015.

 

[emuboy]

Only 4 players out of 93 in Hawthorn colours, have a losing Grand Final record, with 2 or more appearances on the big day.

Peter 'Felix' Russo played in 5 Grand Finals; 1978, 1984, 1985, 1986 & 1987, for 2-3 win/loss record.....He missed the 1983 finals with a knee injury.
Ken Judge played in 3 Grand Finals: 1983, 1984 & 1985, for a 1-2 win/loss record.
Russell ' Fly' Morris played in 3 Grand Finals: 1985, 1986 & 1987, for 1-2 win/loss record.
Finally, Rod 'Snuff' Lester-Smith, remains the only Hawk to have played in more than 1 Grand Final without a win, in 1984 & 1985.

On the other side of the ledger, 3 Hawthorn players have played in 3 Grand finals for 3 Premierships, & not tasted defeat.

James Morrissey: 1988, 1989 & 1991.
Brian Lake: 2013, 2014 &2015.
& Brad Hill: 2013, 2014, 2015.

Brendan Whitecross would have to be one of the unluckiest Hawks. His career at Hawthorn was from 2008-2018 which was obviously a very successful era for the club, but didn't play in a single premiership or even the losing 2012 Grand Final due to injury. In 2008 his career he was a rookie who spent the entire season at Box Hill, so obviously wasn't part of that flag team either.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Brendan Whitecross would have to be one of the unluckiest Hawks. His career at Hawthorn was from 2008-2018 which was obviously a very successful era for the club, but didn't play in a single premiership or even the losing 2012 Grand Final due to injury. In 2008 his career he was a rookie who spent the entire season at Box Hill, so obviously wasn't part of that flag team either.

He was very very unlucky....In fact, he did his knee in the Preliminary Final Against the Cats in 2013....The year before he injured it Against Collingwood in the Qualifying Final.

2 other Hawk players also did their knees in the penultimate game leading up to A Premiership.....Peter Knights in 1971 & David O'Halloran in 1978.

O'Halloran's replacement in the starting 18 of 1978 was none other than Robert Dipierdomenico, who many judge best on field that day....He certainly was.

Unlike Whitecross however, both O'Halloran & Knights would go on to play in more Premierships.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Top 30 Most Grand Final appearances: (Note, Draws will not be included as they are in the same year, so no doubling up for a single result.)

Michael Tuck:...……....11 Hawthorn..... 7/4 Record

Albert Collier:...……...10 Collingwood... 6/4 Record
Gordon Coventry:.... 10 Collingwood.. 5/5 Record

Harry Collier:......……..9.Collingwood…. 6/3 Record
Dick Reynolds:...…...…9. Essendon...….4/5 Record
Bill Hutchinson...…...…9. Essendon...….4/5 Record

Ron Barassi…………...….8. Melbourne.....6/2 Record
Frank Adams...……...….8. Melbourne.....6/2 Record
Robert Dipierdomenico.8. Hawthorn...…5/3 Record
Dermott Brereton...……8. Hawthorn...….5/3 Record
Gary Ayres.................8. Hawthorn......5/3 Record
Chris Mew.........…………8. Hawthorn...….5/3 Record
Jack Titus...………………..8. Richmond......2/6 Record

Kevin Bartlett...………….7. Richmond......5/2 Record
Don Williams...…………..7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
Brian Dixon............…..7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
Bob Johnson...…………...7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
John Beckwith...………...7. Melbourne …..5/2 Record
Laurie Mithen…………….. 7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
Charlie Hammond...…...7. Carlton...……..5/2 Record
Leigh Matthews...………..7. Hawthorn...….4/3 Record
Harry Chesswas ………….7. Collingwood...4/3 Record
Syd Coventry...…………..7. Collingwood....4/3 Record
Brent Croswell...………...7. Carlton/Nth....4/3 Record
Les Hughes...………………7. Collingwood....3/4 Record
Dick Lee......………...…… 7. Collingwood...3/4 Record
Harold Lambert......…...7. Essendon.......3/4 Record
Les Gardiner...……………..7. Essendon.......3/4 Record
Jack Dyer...……………......7. Richmond......2/5 Record
Tom O'Halloran...………...7. Richmond......2/5 Record

The 4 players with 5 Premierships from 6 Grand Finals are:

Francis Bourke..............6. Richmond......5/1 Record
Harold Rumney.............6. Collingwood...5/1 Record
Charlie Dibbs................6. Collingwood...5/1 Record
Ian Ridley....................6. Melbourne......5/1 Record

Other notables:

Jack Bissett..................6. Rich/Sth.M.....1/5 Record
Rene Kink....................5. Coll/Ess..........0/5 Record

So far as I can tell, only 5 players have played in 4 Grand Finals for 4 Premierships....They are:

Fred Baring of Essendon in 1911-1912 & 1923-1924.
George Clayden of Collingwood from 1927-1930.
Clyde Laidlaw of Melbourne in 1955-1956, 1959-1960.
John Lord of Melbourne in 1957, 1959-1960 & 1964
Michel Green of Richmond in 1967, 1969, 1973-1974.

No player has played in 5 Grand Finals for 5 Premierships.....all of them have encountered a loss.

Note: Shaun Burgoyne is the leading current player on 6 Grand Finals with a 4/2 Record for Port/Hawthorn.

 

[35Daicos]

Top 30 Most Grand Final appearances: (Note, Draws will not be included as they are in the same year, so no doubling up for a single result.)

Michael Tuck:...……....11 Hawthorn..... 7/4 Record

Albert Collier:...……...10 Collingwood... 6/4 Record
Gordon Coventry:.... 10 Collingwood.. 5/5 Record

Harry Collier:......……..9.Collingwood…. 6/3 Record
Dick Reynolds:...…...…9. Essendon...….4/5 Record
Bill Hutchinson...…...…9. Essendon...….4/5 Record

Ron Barassi…………...….8. Melbourne.....6/2 Record
Frank Adams...……...….8. Melbourne.....6/2 Record
Robert Dipierdomenico.8. Hawthorn...…5/3 Record
Dermott Brereton...……8. Hawthorn...….5/3 Record
Gary Ayres.................8. Hawthorn......5/3 Record
Chris Mew.........…………8. Hawthorn...….5/3 Record
Jack Titus...………………..8. Richmond......2/6 Record

Kevin Bartlett...………….7. Richmond......5/2 Record
Don Williams...…………..7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
Brian Dixon............…..7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
Bob Johnson...…………...7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
John Beckwith...………...7. Melbourne …..5/2 Record
Laurie Mithen…………….. 7. Melbourne.....5/2 Record
Charlie Hammond...…...7. Carlton...……..5/2 Record
Leigh Matthews...………..7. Hawthorn...….4/3 Record
Harry Chesswas ………….7. Collingwood...4/3 Record
Syd Coventry...…………..7. Collingwood....4/3 Record
Brent Croswell...………...7. Carlton/Nth....4/3 Record
Les Hughes...………………7. Collingwood....3/4 Record
Dick Lee......………...…… 7. Collingwood...3/4 Record
Harold Lambert......…...7. Essendon.......3/4 Record
Les Gardiner...……………..7. Essendon.......3/4 Record
Jack Dyer...……………......7. Richmond......2/5 Record
Tom O'Halloran...………...7. Richmond......2/5 Record

The 4 players with 5 Premierships from 6 Grand Finals are:

Francis Bourke..............6. Richmond......5/1 Record
Harold Rumney.............6. Collingwood...5/1 Record
Charlie Dibbs................6. Collingwood...5/1 Record
Ian Ridley....................6. Melbourne......5/1 Record

Other notables:

Jack Bissett..................6. Rich/Sth.M.....1/5 Record
Rene Kink....................5. Coll/Ess..........0/5 Record

So far as I can tell, only 5 players have played in 4 Grand Finals for 4 Premierships....They are:

Fred Baring of Essendon in 1911-1912 & 1923-1924.
George Clayden of Collingwood from 1927-1930.
Clyde Laidlaw of Melbourne in 1955-1956, 1959-1960.
John Lord of Melbourne in 1957, 1959-1960 & 1964
Michel Green of Richmond in 1967, 1969, 1973-1974.

No player has played in 5 Grand Finals for 5 Premierships.....all of them have encountered a loss.

Note: Shaun Burgoyne is the leading current player on 6 Grand Finals with a 4/2 Record for Port/Hawthorn.

While Fred Baring is recognised as a 4-time Premiership player, he only played in 3 Grand Finals! There was no Grand Final in 1924; Essendon won the flag via a round-robin series of games.

 

[stemline]

What about playing a game for that year's premiers, but never winning a premiership?

Jon Ceglar holds the record at Hawthorn, playing in 3 premiership seasons (2013, 14 & 15) but not winning a medal.

For Hawthorn, these players have done it twice - Jed Anderson, Kyle Cheney, Robert Dixon, Billy Hartung, Glenn Howard, Angus Litherland, Shane Murphy, Peter Welsh... and Brendan Whitecross.

What about other sides? What's the record?

 

[Procrastinator35]

What about playing a game for that year's premiers, but never winning a premiership?

Jon Ceglar holds the record at Hawthorn, playing in 3 premiership seasons (2013, 14 & 15) but not winning a medal.

For Hawthorn, these players have done it twice - Jed Anderson, Kyle Cheney, Robert Dixon, Billy Hartung, Glenn Howard, Angus Litherland, Shane Murphy, Peter Welsh... and Brendan Whitecross.

What about other sides? What's the record?

Ceglar was dead unlucky in 2014, as he was dropped for the Grand Final in favor of McEvoy, as it was felt that Big Boy could better compete aginst the bigger bodies of Tippett & Pyke.

 

[stemline]

Probably not the thread for it but Ceglar had a poor game in the 2014 PF. In the last qtr when Hawthorn desperately needed pack marks down the line when the heat was on he got his hands to about 4 of them but didn't hold any. I reckon if he'd held even one of them he might have survived the chop.

 

[Procrastinator35]

Probably not the thread for it but Ceglar had a poor game in the 2014 PF. In the last qtr when Hawthorn desperately needed pack marks down the line when the heat was on he got his hands to about 4 of them but didn't hold any. I reckon if he'd held even one of them he might have survived the chop.

Given the sound thrashing we handed out to the Swans that day, I'm not so sure it would have made all that much of a difference.

Our spreading of the work-load of the ruck spot, across 2014-2015, was a significant factor come September.

In 2014 Hale played 22 games, Ceglar 15 & McEvoy 13.
In 2015 Hale played 18 games, Ceglar 14 & McEvoy 19.

So as you can see, he was pretty stiff to miss out.

 

[stemline]

Games in which a player has debuted for Hawthorn = 619
Games in which a (not currently HFC listed) player has played their final game for Hawthorn = 619

 

[Ron The Bear]

What about playing a game for that year's premiers, but never winning a premiership?

Jon Ceglar holds the record at Hawthorn, playing in 3 premiership seasons (2013, 14 & 15) but not winning a medal.

For Hawthorn, these players have done it twice - Jed Anderson, Kyle Cheney, Robert Dixon, Billy Hartung, Glenn Howard, Angus Litherland, Shane Murphy, Peter Welsh... and Brendan Whitecross.

What about other sides? What's the record?

Nobody's done more than three. The others are

Dylan McLaren (Br,Ca) 2001-06
Graeme Pinfold (Me) 1957-61
Tony Bull (Me) 1953-57
Roy Dowsing (Me) 1939-46
Bill Baxter (Me) 1939-41
Bob Muir (Co,WB,Fi) 1927-34
Jim Kennedy (Es,Ca) 1901-07

 

[Cold Sober]

It's little wonder that the Brisbane Bears and Fitzroy merged to form the Brisbane Lions when you consider the following:

1. The Brisbane Bears' first ever home game at Carrara on the Gold Coast in Round 4 1987 was against Fitzroy.
2. The Brisbane Bears' first ever win at the GABBA was over Fitzroy in Round 16 1991.
3. After beating Fitzroy in Round 21 1989 at Waverley Park (the only time the teams played there), the Bears did not win another game in Victoria until Round 18 1992, when they defeated the Lions again this time at Princes Park.
4. Fitzroy's last official home game at Princes Park in Round 21 1993 was played against the Brisbane Bears.
5. Fitzroy played and defeated the Brisbane Bears in their first home game at the Western Oval, in Round 3 1994.
6. Fitzroy's last ever home fixture was against the Brisbane Bears in Round 20 1996.
7. Fitzroy's last ever win by 100 points or more was over the Brisbane Bears in Round 21 1993.
8. The Bears' last ever century victory was a 109-point demolition of Fitzroy at the GABBA in Round 5 1996.
8. Brisbane Bears coaches Norm Dare (1990) and Robert Walls (1991-1995) both played for Fitzroy, with Walls also coaching the Lions in the 1980s.
9. Alistair Lynch, Scott McIvor, Ross Lyon, Brendan McCormack, Bernie Harris, Matt Rendell, Brad Edwards, Chris Stacey, Michael Gibson, Darryl Cox and Kevin Caton went from Fitzroy to the Bears.
10. Mark Zanotti, David Bain and Nigel Palfreyman all transferred from the Brisbane Bears to the Fitzroy Lions.

This needs to be in a frame hanging in the rooms.

 

[Cold Sober]

All the above is great reading, hats off to all.

 

[emuboy]

What about playing a game for that year's premiers, but never winning a premiership?

Jon Ceglar holds the record at Hawthorn, playing in 3 premiership seasons (2013, 14 & 15) but not winning a medal.

For Hawthorn, these players have done it twice - Jed Anderson, Kyle Cheney, Robert Dixon, Billy Hartung, Glenn Howard, Angus Litherland, Shane Murphy, Peter Welsh... and Brendan Whitecross.

What about other sides? What's the record?

Going back some years Greg Tate played for Essendon in 1947-1951, a very successful era for the Bombers in which they made the Grand Final every year. But Tate never tasted premiership success, joining Essendon the year after they won the premiership in 1946, missing the winning 1949 and 1950 Grand Finals (the latter after playing every other game for the season) and playing in beaten GF teams in 1947 and 1951.

Derek Chadwick had a long career at WAFL team East Perth from 1958-1972 but finished his career without a premiership medallion. IIRC correctly he was a rookie who didn't play in the Royals 1958 GF winning team, missed the 1959 East Perth premiership with illness, then was injured in his final season in 1972 when East Perth beat Claremont in the GF. In between this he played in losing Grand Finals in 1960, 1961, 1966, 1967, 1968, 1969 and 1971.