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mianfei

Club Legend
May 10, 2009
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341
Carlton North
AFL Club
St Kilda
Crows are 2 games clear bottom of ladder after only six rounds.

This must just about be a record of how quickly you get that clear as bottom team.

Bloody hard to get 2 games clear bottom after only six rounds.

Will have to browse during week to find out if it been done before.
It has been done before only once, by St. Kilda in 1901 in an eight club competition. The Saints finished 1—16, although only one game behind Carlton whose 2—15 record would remain their worst for 101 years. Melbourne suffered a near approach in 1974 when they were six points clear last after six rounds in a twelve-club competition. The Demons would finish 3—19, still six points clear last.
 

footyfan1978

Brownlow Medallist
Aug 27, 2014
24,712
26,394
spacetime
AFL Club
Carlton
Other Teams
there are no other teams worthy
It has been done before only once, by St. Kilda in 1901
1944 season....

Rd 6 Ladder
CA
6​
20​
127.3​
RI
6​
18​
122.4​
SM
6​
16​
111.5​
FI
6​
16​
109.5​
ES
6​
14​
109.0​
FO
6​
14​
104.2​
NM
6​
12​
97.1​
SK
6​
10​
100.0​
ME
6​
8​
102.6​
CW
6​
8​
92.7​
HW
6​
8​
86.9​
GE
6​
0​
57.0​
 

emuboy

Club Legend
Dec 17, 2006
2,952
2,278
The Southern Hemisphere
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
South Fremantle, Sturt
The Round 3 1988 match between the West Coast Eagles and the Brisbane Bears was interesting for a number of reasons. It was a rare day game at the WACA in Perth and in fact a home game for the Bears, as due to wet weather in South Queensland Carrara was unplayable and there were no suitable grounds in Brisbane to which to transfer the game.

The Eagles kicked what remains their highest score ever in 29.18-192 to demolish Brisbane by 118-points, but it was a Bear who was the highest scorer on the ground. In one of his best games for Brisbane during a generally unsuccessful three year stint in Queensland, Warwick Capper kicked 6.4-40, just edging Eagles captain Ross Glendinning who kicked 6.3-39.

Representing the Eagles were three players who would transfer to the Bears at the end of that season - Mark Zanotti, John Gastev and Alex Ischenko. Also remarkable was that in the Brisbane Bears team were five future senior coaches - Rodney Eade, Ken Judge, Roger Merrett, Phil Walsh and Mark Williams. The West Coast Eagles had three future senior coaches - Dean Laidley, Guy McKenna and John Worsfold - in their side that day.

The Bears found themselves back in Perth mid year, this time for a 'proper' Eagles home game under lights at the WACA. This time however, the match was a close contest, the gallant Bears testing the Eagles all night before finally going down by 7 points in a thriller.
 

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Connor7395

Independent
May 23, 2010
448
264
AFL Club
Melbourne
The Eagles kicked what remains their highest score ever in 29.18-192 to demolish Brisbane by 118-points, but it was a Bear who was the highest scorer on the ground. In one of his best games for Brisbane during a generally unsuccessful three year stint in Queensland, Warwick Capper kicked 6.4-40, just edging Eagles captain Ross Glendinning who kicked 6.3-39.
Inspired me to check for this:
Biggest loss by a team with the highest scorer.
And that honour, I believe, goes to Footscray in Round 18, 1982.

Carlton put 30.21.201 on the scoreboard, to Footscray's 10.12.72 for a comfortable 129 point victory. The Blues shared the goals around, and the shortlived wonder Ross Ditchburn did the most damage with 6.3 for the day. But it was the Bulldogs' Simon Beasley who outscored them all by kicking two-thirds of Footscray's score, with 7.5
 

emuboy

Club Legend
Dec 17, 2006
2,952
2,278
The Southern Hemisphere
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
South Fremantle, Sturt
Inspired me to check for this:
Biggest loss by a team with the highest scorer.
And that honour, I believe, goes to Footscray in Round 18, 1982.

Carlton put 30.21.201 on the scoreboard, to Footscray's 10.12.72 for a comfortable 129 point victory. The Blues shared the goals around, and the shortlived wonder Ross Ditchburn did the most damage with 6.3 for the day. But it was the Bulldogs' Simon Beasley who outscored them all by kicking two-thirds of Footscray's score, with 7.5
Wow, that's an amazing statistic. David King kicked 7.0 for North Melbourne in a 125-point loss to Essendon in the 2000 Qualifying Final, but Bomber Matthew Lloyd kicked 7.3. Brisbane Bears' forward John Hutton kicked 8.0 in a 164-point defeat by Geelong in 1992 where the Cats amassed 37.17-239, but Gary Ablett with 9.4 for Geelong was the highest scorer on the ground that day.
 

emuboy

Club Legend
Dec 17, 2006
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The Southern Hemisphere
AFL Club
Collingwood
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South Fremantle, Sturt
Some players are well suited to their team by their name. For example Graeme Richmond played for Richmond, Ross Lyon for Fitzroy, Andrew Crowell for Adelaide, Les Hawken for Hawthorn, Robert West for the West Coast Eagles, Western Bulldogs and WAFL team West Perth while South Melbourne had players called Archibald Swannie, Jack Southern and Wally Southern.

However, only one St. Kilda player Simon Deacon who had a brief career for the Saints in the mid 1970s had a religious sounding name. The other players with the surname Deacon - Bert Deacon and Cliff Deacon - played for Carlton and South Melbourne respectively.

Matthew Bishop started his career with the Melbourne Demons in the late 1990s, before joining Port Adelaide for 2000-2006. The only other player with the surname Bishop was Noel Bishop, who played two games for Carlton in 1968. Michael Christian played for Collingwood from 1987-1995. Doug Priest played for South Melbourne from 1966-1969, Addis Priestley twice played for Hawthorn in 1927 while Charles Priestley had a successful 109 game career with Richmond in the 1930s and 1940s.

Only one senior player has ever had a St prefix in his name, and this was George St John before World War 1. He played for Richmond, and somewhat ironically like Matthew Bishop the Melbourne Demons.
 

35Daicos

Premium Platinum
Mar 6, 2011
7,060
8,381
Adelaide
AFL Club
Collingwood
Other Teams
Collingwood (VFL), Man Utd.
Some players are well suited to their team by their name. For example Graeme Richmond played for Richmond, Ross Lyon for Fitzroy, Andrew Crowell for Adelaide, Les Hawken for Hawthorn, Robert West for the West Coast Eagles, Western Bulldogs and WAFL team West Perth while South Melbourne had players called Archibald Swannie, Jack Southern and Wally Southern.

However, only one St. Kilda player Simon Deacon who had a brief career for the Saints in the mid 1970s had a religious sounding name. The other players with the surname Deacon - Bert Deacon and Cliff Deacon - played for Carlton and South Melbourne respectively.

Matthew Bishop started his career with the Melbourne Demons in the late 1990s, before joining Port Adelaide for 2000-2006. The only other player with the surname Bishop was Noel Bishop, who played two games for Carlton in 1968. Michael Christian played for Collingwood from 1987-1995. Doug Priest played for South Melbourne from 1966-1969, Addis Priestley twice played for Hawthorn in 1927 while Charles Priestley had a successful 109 game career with Richmond in the 1930s and 1940s.

Only one senior player has ever had a St prefix in his name, and this was George St John before World War 1. He played for Richmond, and somewhat ironically like Matthew Bishop the Melbourne Demons.
While Graeme Richmond only played at lower levels for Richmond, John Richmond did play senior football. Mark and Scott West for the Western Bulldogs deserve a mention as well!

While there was a Carlton (who played for South Melbourne), John Richmond would be the only case of a player (who played senior VFL/AFL football) with a last name that exactly matched that of the club he played for!
 
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worbod

Norm Smith Medallist
Oct 26, 2008
5,075
5,980
Bendigo
AFL Club
Western Bulldogs
Other Teams
Liverpool
Some players are well suited to their team by their name. For example Graeme Richmond played for Richmond, Ross Lyon for Fitzroy, Andrew Crowell for Adelaide, Les Hawken for Hawthorn, Robert West for the West Coast Eagles, Western Bulldogs and WAFL team West Perth while South Melbourne had players called Archibald Swannie, Jack Southern and Wally Southern.
Ross Lyon finished playing for Fitzroy in 1994 after 127 games. In 1995 a player named Wayne Lamb made his debut for Fitzroy and managed 19 games for the Roys in two seasons. Was this a case of Lyon for Lamb?
 

emuboy

Club Legend
Dec 17, 2006
2,952
2,278
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AFL Club
Collingwood
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South Fremantle, Sturt
Ross Lyon finished playing for Fitzroy in 1994 after 127 games. In 1995 a player named Wayne Lamb made his debut for Fitzroy and managed 19 games for the Roys in two seasons. Was this a case of Lyon for Lamb?
Wayne Lamb had an interesting career. Starting with Melbourne in 1992, his debut game for the Demons was a draw against the Swans at the MCG (Melbourne's only tied match between 1971 and 2006) and that was as good as it got for Wayne Lamb. All of his subsequent matches for Melbourne and Fitzroy resulted in losses.
 

RedmanWasHere

Rarely in kitchens at parties.
Aug 23, 2010
17,143
14,092
Information Superhighway
AFL Club
Essendon
Other Teams
Exers, Gryffindor, Richmond AFLW
Wayne Lamb had an interesting career. Starting with Melbourne in 1992, his debut game for the Demons was a draw against the Swans at the MCG (Melbourne's only tied match between 1971 and 2006) and that was as good as it got for Wayne Lamb. All of his subsequent matches for Melbourne and Fitzroy resulted in losses.

His son Tom played 1 game for West Coast and his father-in-law is Ian Cooper. "Kick it to the boundary."
 

emuboy

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His son Tom played 1 game for West Coast and his father-in-law is Ian Cooper. "Kick it to the boundary."
Interestingly, one of West Coast's leading players in their early years Dwayne Lamb. With two Eagles premierships from three grand finals, he had a much more successful career than his sound-alike name Wayne Lamb.
 

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emuboy

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South Fremantle, Sturt
Phil Carlton didn't manage to crack it for a senior game for North Melbourne. However, he transferred to South Melbourne in 1975 and made his senior debut in round 7 - against Carlton.
One of the best cases of appropriate names was in the WAFL in 1992, where Eagles-listed Robbie West was a leading player for West Perth (he won the Sandover Medal despite the Falcons running last) and one of the most prominent players for their cross-town rivals East Perth was Heath East.
 

Connor7395

Independent
May 23, 2010
448
264
AFL Club
Melbourne
Something I looked for just now: is there currently a player who has played a senior game in all eight states and territories, as well as China and New Zealand?

The following players currently still active have both overseas nations, but are missing a state:
Jack Billings, Josh Bruce, Jarryn Geary, Tim Membrey, Jack Newnes, Tom Rockliff, Sebastian Ross, Shane Savage, and Jack Sinclair. All of them have yet to play a game at Traeger Park or Marrara Oval, except for Tom Rockliff, who only needs a game at Manuka Oval.

But the first player to do it could very well be Jack Newnes, now at Carlton. It was announced today that the Gold Coast team will be playing at Marrara Oval for Sir Doug Nicholls Round, but the opponent is yet to be announced. Gold Coast have not played Carlton yet this season, and Newnes has not yet missed a game this season.
 

emuboy

Club Legend
Dec 17, 2006
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Melbourne's 141-point thrashing of Hawthorn in a 21.28-154 to 1.7-13 demolition in Round 9 1926 at the MCG remains the biggest win for the Demons and the biggest loss for the Hawks 94 years later. No team has lost by more to Melbourne or beaten Hawthorn by a bigger margin in over 9 decades since.
 

Derby103

Senior List
Apr 20, 2006
295
161
Macclesfield
AFL Club
North Melbourne
Melbourne's 141-point thrashing of Hawthorn in a 21.28-154 to 1.7-13 demolition in Round 9 1926 at the MCG remains the biggest win for the Demons and the biggest loss for the Hawks 94 years later. No team has lost by more to Melbourne or beaten Hawthorn by a bigger margin in over 9 decades since.
The record for Hawthorn's greatest winning margin has also stood for more than 9 decades.
 

Ron The Bear

Heartbreakers, with your 44
Jul 4, 2006
31,973
30,902
Melbourne
AFL Club
Richmond
From the trivia department... Saturday's Adelaide/North game was the eighth-closest matchup in terms of average team age.

Age DiffYearRoundClubAgeGames DiffResultOppAge
0.0001196920Carl23.5330+8.5WEss23.5329
0.00012007PFP.A.25.3405-5.5WN.M.25.3404
0.000220074W.B.24.4745+5.5WRich24.4743
0.000219107Geel23.9550+17.3WSt.K23.9548
0.0002199223St.K24.6804+10.0WMelb24.6802
0.0003199222Fitz24.5375-5.4LW.C.24.5372
0.000419066Carl25.3274-9.0WFitz25.3270
0.000520209Adel25.3592-3.1LN.M.25.3587
0.000619137Melb24.7507-19.1LGeel24.7501
0.00081983SFFitz25.0909+0.8LEss25.0901
 

Connor7395

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From the trivia department... Saturday's Adelaide/North game was the eighth-closest matchup in terms of average team age.

Age DiffYearRoundClubAgeGames DiffResultOppAge
0.0001196920Carl23.5330+8.5WEss23.5329
0.00012007PFP.A.25.3405-5.5WN.M.25.3404
0.000220074W.B.24.4745+5.5WRich24.4743
0.000219107Geel23.9550+17.3WSt.K23.9548
0.0002199223St.K24.6804+10.0WMelb24.6802
0.0003199222Fitz24.5375-5.4LW.C.24.5372
0.000419066Carl25.3274-9.0WFitz25.3270
0.000520209Adel25.3592-3.1LN.M.25.3587
0.000619137Melb24.7507-19.1LGeel24.7501
0.00081983SFFitz25.0909+0.8LEss25.0901
One for the 1969 Football Record: The average player on Carlton is 52 minutes older than the average player on Essendon.
 

Generalissimo

His Excellency
Jul 14, 2002
4,794
3,303
Somewhere
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Geelong
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The Mighty Cats
Most goals in a season without gaining a Brownlow vote.


Home and Away GoalsPlayerClubSeason
118Gordon CoventryCollingwood1929
105Gordon CoventryCollingwood1930
91Doug WadeNorth Melbourne1974
90Doug WadeGeelong1972
88Sel MurrayNorth Melbourne1941
83Jack MoriartyFitzroy1927
78Gordon CoventryCollingwood1928
77Gordon CoventryCollingwood1935
76Mark JacksonMelbourne1982
69Jack TitusRichmond1934
67Lindsay WhiteGeelong1941
67Ian BrewerCollingwood1958
Honourable mention to Greg Stockdale, who kicked 68 for Essendon in 1923. That was the year before the Brownlow was introduced. Noone else from 1897-1922 would make the list.
 

Virgin Dog

Premiership Player
Oct 29, 2017
4,795
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Western Bulldogs
How would people define the AFL equivalent of a "Triple Double"? Seems there's no easy way to narrow it down to anything comparable to the NBA. I decided to look into it a bit, from 2000 onwards, and started with looking at minimum of 10 Marks, Tackles, Inside_50s or Clearances. Since the year 2000, there's been 4 cases of a "Triple Double" using this definition:
  • Patrick Dangerfield, 2016 Round 12 - 13 Marks, 11 Inside 50s, 13 Clearances (from 48 disposals) - this one stood out ahead of all others given that Dangerfield also kicked 2 goals, had 12 Score Involvements and a whopping 1025 metres gained.
  • Dayne Zorko, 2019 Round 7 - 11 Tackles, 11 Inside 50s, 11 Clearances (from 29 disposals)
  • Andrew Swallow, 2012 Round 8 - 12 Tackles, 10 Inside 50s, 10 Clearances (from 28 disposals)
  • Chris Judd, 2011 Round 15 - 10 Tackles, 10 Inside 50s, 11 Clearances (from 31 disposals)
Gary Ablett Jr also came incredibly close to this group, while having a game arguably as good as Dangerfield's. In 2017 Round 6, he had 45 Disposals, 18 Clearances (4th highest all time), 10 Inside 50s and 9 Tackles. Along with this, he kicked a Goal, had 14 Score Involvements, 3 Goal Assists and 618 Metres Gained, all with little support from his team in a loss.

Not many cases, telling me the requirements are probably a little too strict. If we brought disposals numbers into the discussion, requiring anything over 30 Disposals plus 10 in other categories, we get 132 cases. The standout players being:
  • Tom Rockliff with 9 times
  • Dayne Zorko and Patrick Dangerfield with 5 times each
  • Chris Judd, Gary Ablett, Leigh Montagna, Sam Mitchell, Scott Pendelbury, Scott Thompson, Shane Tuck and Tom Liberatore with 3 times each
  • 20 more players on 2 times each. Current players are Adam Treloar, Callan Ward, Clayton Oliver, Dan Hannebery, Dustin Martin, Jack Steven, Jaeger O'Meara, Josh Kelly, Luke Shuey and Patrick Cripps.
Obviously the 2020 season makes it harder than ever to generate a "Triple Double" given the shorter quarters, but the closest efforts so far include:
  • Zach Merrett, 2020 Round 8 - 9 Marks, 6 Tackles, 6 Inside 50s, 6 Clearances from 33 Disposals
  • Adam Treloar, 2020 Round 7 - 6 Tackles, 6 Inside 50s, 11 Clearances from 34 Disposals
  • Patrick Dangerfield, 2020 Round 6 - 7 Marks, 7 Inside 50s, 8 Clearances from 26 Disposals
  • Jackson Macrae, 2020 Round 8 - 6 Tackles, 6 Inside 50s, 7 Clearances from 29 Disposals
 

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