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Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats

Yes I did struggle with how to best present this. I agree with your suggestion.

Incomplete:

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    [B]Ade Bri Car Col Ess Fit Fre Gee Gol Haw Mel Nth Por Ric StK Syd Uni WBd WCE[/B]
[B]Ade[/B] xxx                             xxx                             xxx
[B]Bri[/B]     xxx                         xxx                             xxx
[B]Car[/B]         xxx                     xxx
[B]Col[/B]             xxx                 xxx
[B]Ess[/B]                 xxx             xxx
[B]Fit[/B]                     xxx         xxx             xxx
[B]Fre[/B] [COLOR="Red"]-10  -8  -2  -6  -4[/COLOR]  [COLOR="Blue"]+2[/COLOR] xxx [COLOR="red"]-12[/COLOR] xxx  [COLOR="red"]-2[/COLOR]  [COLOR="blue"]+2[/COLOR]  [COLOR="red"]-8 -10[/COLOR]  [COLOR="blue"]+2[/COLOR]  [COLOR="red"]-6 -14[/COLOR] xxx  [COLOR="red"]-8  -8[/COLOR]
[B]Gee[/B]                             xxx xxx
[B]Gol[/B] xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx
[B]Haw[/B]                                 xxx xxx                         xxx 
[B]Mel[/B]                                 xxx     xxx
[B]Nth[/B]                                 xxx         xxx                 xxx
[B]Por[/B]                     xxx         xxx             xxx             xxx
[B]Ric[/B]                                 xxx                 xxx         xxx
[B]StK[/B]                                 xxx                     xxx     xxx
[B]Syd[/B]                                 xxx                         xxx xxx
[B]Uni[/B] xxx xxx  [COLOR="red"]-7  -7  -7  -3[/COLOR] xxx  [COLOR="red"]-3[/COLOR] xxx xxx  [COLOR="red"]-3[/COLOR] xxx xxx  -[COLOR="red"]1  -3  -7[/COLOR] xxx xxx xxx
[B]WBd[/B]                                 xxx                             xxx
[B]WCE[/B]                                 xxx                             xxx     xxx
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats

red+black said:
Yes I did struggle with how to best present this. I agree with your suggestion.

Incomplete:

Code: 
    [B]Ade Bri Car Col Ess Fit Fre Gee Gol Haw Mel Nth Por Ric StK Syd Uni WBd WCE[/B]
[B]Ade[/B] xxx                             xxx                             xxx
[B]Bri[/B]     xxx                         xxx                             xxx
[B]Car[/B]         xxx                     xxx
[B]Col[/B]             xxx                 xxx
[B]Ess[/B]                 xxx             xxx
[B]Fit[/B]                     xxx         xxx             xxx
[B]Fre[/B] [COLOR=Red]-10  -8  -2  -6  -4[/COLOR]  [COLOR=Blue]+2[/COLOR] xxx [COLOR=red]-12[/COLOR] xxx  [COLOR=red]-2[/COLOR]  [COLOR=blue]+2[/COLOR]  [COLOR=red]-8 -10[/COLOR]  [COLOR=blue]+2[/COLOR]  [COLOR=red]-6 -14[/COLOR] xxx  [COLOR=red]-8  -8[/COLOR]
[B]Gee[/B]                             xxx xxx
[B]Gol[/B] xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx xxx
[B]Haw[/B]                                 xxx xxx                         xxx 
[B]Mel[/B]                                 xxx     xxx
[B]Nth[/B]                                 xxx         xxx                 xxx
[B]Por[/B]                     xxx         xxx             xxx             xxx
[B]Ric[/B]                                 xxx                 xxx         xxx
[B]StK[/B]                                 xxx                     xxx     xxx
[B]Syd[/B]                                 xxx                         xxx xxx
[B]Uni[/B] xxx xxx  [COLOR=red]-7  -7  -7  -3[/COLOR] xxx  [COLOR=red]-3[/COLOR] xxx xxx  [COLOR=red]-3[/COLOR] xxx xxx  -[COLOR=red]1  -3  -7[/COLOR] xxx xxx xxx
[B]WBd[/B]                                 xxx                             xxx
[B]WCE[/B]                                 xxx                             xxx     xxx
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Maybe of some use or interest in looking at this:
(If not already seen.)

A chart of how many times each team has topped the others on the final ladder is here.

Note though it reflects the final ladder with results in the finals taken into account e.g. St Kilda finishes on top of Geelong in 2010.
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Quote:
Originally Posted by Marklar_33
All the way to 162-ed :thumbsu:

Good stat...would like to see more, maybe to 10?

By special request, here is the extra information.


The highest score which has been increased sevenfold is:
29 by St. Kilda (3.11) vs Collingwood 31.21.207, Round 4, 1979

The highest score which has been increased eightfold is:
18 by West Coast (1.12) vs Essendon 25.10.160, Round 15, 1989

The highest score which has been increased ninefold is:
19 by South Melbourne (2.7) vs Essendon 28.16.184, Round 18, 1964

The highest score which has been increased tenfold is:
18 by St. Kilda (2.6) vs South Melbourne 29.15.189, Round 12, 1919
 

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Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Marginally Obscure

1) In 9 seasons, there have been teams that defeated both Premiers and Runners-up in all meetings.
2) The highest any of these teams finished was 5th.
3) The lowest was 14th.
4) In one year the team, finishing 5th defeated both the Premiers and the Runners-up twice with a combined score of 58.62-410 v 44.34-298.
5) In another year the team finishing 5th defeated both Grand Finalists by 38 points in their only meetings.

Match Scores
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

1. Tony Lockett had a negative career free kick count in every season.

2. Tony Lockett had a negative career free kick count against every opposition.

3. Tony Lockett had a negative career free kick count at every venue.

4. Tony Lockett had a negative career free kick count in finals.

5. Tony Lockett had a positive career free kick count in grand finals.

(NB: Free kick stats not available 1984-86).
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Football on Friday the 13th:

Code: 
Fri 13-Jun-1986  Sydney       91 v [COLOR="Blue"]North Melbourne[/COLOR]  95  SCG  26,770 
Fri 13-May-1988  [COLOR="blue"]West Coast[/COLOR]  112 v St Kilda         36  WACA 12,803
Fri 13-Jul-1990  [COLOR="blue"]West Coast[/COLOR]  108 v St Kilda         90  WACA 20,474
Fri 13-Aug-1993  Sydney       99 v [COLOR="blue"]Fitzroy[/COLOR]         114  SCG   8,214
Fri 13-May-1994  Richmond    107 v [COLOR="blue"]Carlton[/COLOR]         135  MCG  50,227
Fri 13-Jun-1997  [COLOR="blue"]Sydney[/COLOR]      164 v Richmond        110  SCG  35,033
Fri 13-Aug-1999  Collingwood  65 v [COLOR="blue"]Essendon[/COLOR]         87  MCG  56,129
Fri 13-Jul-2001  St Kilda     59 v [COLOR="blue"]Adelaide[/COLOR]        156  DCK  26,250
Fri 13-Sep-2002  [COLOR="blue"]Port Adel[/COLOR]    83 v Essendon         59  FP   27,661
Fri 13-Jun-2003  Essendon     88 v [COLOR="blue"]North Melbourne[/COLOR]  96  DCK  45,331
Fri 13-Aug-2004  [COLOR="blue"]Essendon[/COLOR]    121 v Collingwood      87  MCG  52,983
Fri 13-May-2005  Carlton      73 v [COLOR="blue"]Geelong[/COLOR]         143  DCK  45,758
Fri 13-Apr-2007  [COLOR="blue"]Collingwood[/COLOR] 115 v Richmond         90  MCG  70,569
Fri 13-Jul-2007  [COLOR="blue"]St Kilda[/COLOR]     82 v Adelaide         80  DCK  32,210
Fri 13-Jun-2008  [COLOR="blue"]Essendon[/COLOR]    113 v West Coast       91  DCK  33,386
Fri 13-Aug-2010  Essendon     64 v [COLOR="blue"]Collingwood[/COLOR]     162  MCG  59,277
Fri 13-May-2011  [COLOR="Blue"]Geelong[/COLOR]      65 v Collingwood      62  MCG  81,691
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Football on ANZAC Day:

1. Collingwood and Essendon had never played each other on ANZAC Day until 1995.
2. Essendon has played the most times on ANZAC Day: 33 times (Collingwood 28).
3. Prior to 1995, the three teams to have played the most times on ANZAC Day were Richmond (21), Melbourne (20) and Carlton (19).
4. Western Bulldogs have only played 9 times on ANZAC Day, as many as Fremantle.
5. Fremantle have hosted a game on ANZAC Day 9 times; West Coast have yet to host one.
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Prior to last night (the beginning of round 8) Collingwood and Geelong had both played 6 games without defeat before playing each other. How often has this been matched or exceeded?


Games .Undefeated . . . . . . . . . . . . .Game
played Teams . . . . . . . . . . . .Season Result
13 . .St. Kilda, Geelong . . . . . 2009 . St. Kilda by 6
6 . . South Melbourne, Geelong . . 1932 . South by 9
6 . . Carlton, North Melbourne. . .1959 . Carlton by 28
6 . . Carlton, North Melbourne. . .1979 . North by 4
6 . . West Coast, Essendon . . . . 1991 . West Coast by 7
6 . . Collingwood, Geelong . . . . 2011 . Geelong by 3
5 . . South Melbourne, Essendon . .1914 . South by 2
5 . . Richmond, Essendon . . . . . 1942 . Essendon by 1
5 . . Carlton, Hawthorn . . . . . .1976 . Carlton by 40
5 . . Carlton, Collingwood . . . . 1981 . Collingwood by 57


South Melbourne and Essendon in 1914 both had records of 4 wins and one draw prior to playing.
In 1932, South had 6 wins and Geelong had 5 wins and one draw prior to playing.
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Round 8 2011



  • Since 2001, WB/Footscray has now played 14 matches where both teams scored 18 or more goals. Every other team has also at least once except Geelong and so far, Gold Coast.
  • Sydney/SM has won the 4th highest percentage of matches v Port Adelaide played outside of South Australia. (Melbourne has won the highest percentage, Hawthorn the lowest.)
  • St Kilda’s 2011 season after 7 matches ranks 82nd from the 113 they have competed in.
  • Melbourne has had 55 seasons with results better after 7 matches and 56 with results worse than their result so far in 2011
  • Hawthorn v St Kilda: Only the 2nd match ever played where one team scored 1 behind in the 1st quarter and 5 or more goals in the 2nd and the other team 5 or more goals in the first quarter and then only 1 behind in the 2nd.

    More Here
(Including pictures of the Hawthorn v St Kilda score and the other match like it.)
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Wanted to fix up a stat that no one has ever got right* on BigFooty, including myself. That is, the shortest list of players starting from R1, 1897 whose careers overlap to present day.

* The previous lists are correct if you consider career span, but not if you want to have every year covered.
eg. Wels Eicke (St Kilda) didn't play in 1916-17 due to WWI
eg. Kevin Murray (Fitzroy) played in the WANFL in 1965-66 (yes, WANFL not WAFL)

red+black said:
I was wondering if you started from Round 1, 1897 and went right through to the 2009 Grand Final, what is the least number of players required where each of their careers overlapped the next.

Code: 
[B]1.[/B] (any number of players)
[B]2.[/B] Fred Elliott     R 1, 1899  -  SF,  1911
[B]3.[/B] Wels Eicke       R15, 1909  -  R18, 1926
[B]4.[/B] Jack Titus       R12, 1926  -  R15, 1943
[B]5.[/B] Lou Richards     R 6, 1942  -  R17, 1955
[B]6.[/B] Kevin Murray     R 4, 1955  -  R22, 1974
[B]7.[/B] Russell Greene   R 1, 1974  -  GF,  1988
[B]8.[/B] Robert Harvey    R19, 1988  -  PF,  2008
[B]9.[/B] (any number of players)
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Ron The Bear said:
There was a thread on this very topic last year. It can be reduced to 8 players, starting with the first round of VFL football. The rounds listed are the final rounds in which both linking players participated.

1897 R1 Teddy Rankin (Ge)
1910 R9 Wels Eicke (St/NM)
1926 R18 Jack Titus (Ri)
1943 R15 Lou Richards (Co)
1955 R17 Kevin Murray (Fi)
1974 R22 Michael Tuck (Ha)
1991 R24 Robert Harvey (St)
2008 PF ?
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crudbucket said:
Only thing wrong with that table is that Kevin Murray played the 1965 & 1966 seasons with East Perth so there is a 2 year gap in the chain.
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Thread that Ron mentioned: Six degrees of Robert Harvey

So can someone finish the list, correctly? Not 100% happy with Jack Titus as he only played Round 1 in 1927 (anyone know what happened?). The OP from the Harvey thread makes an interesting point. What if one stipulation was that the two players, before and after, had to play against each other, to sort of pass the baton?

Code: 
   ...
   Jack Titus     (RIC) R12, 1926 - R15, 1943
   Lou Richards   (COL) R 6, 1941 - R17, 1955
   Kevin Murray   (FIT) R 4, 1955 - R18, 1964
   ...
   Russell Greene (STK) R 1, 1974 - R 8, 1980
   Russell Greene (HAW) R 9, 1980 - GF , 1988
   Robert Harvey  (STK) R19, 1988 - PF , 2008
   Joel Selwood   (GEE) R 1, 2007 - current
 

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Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

At Round 8 2011


  • Since the start of 2010, after Collingwood and Geelong, Sydney has now won the highest percentage of their matches.
  • Since the start of 2009 Hawthorn and Sydney have each conceded 4,618 points. Hawthorn in 1 fewer matches.
  • Since the start of 2008, Carlton and Sydney have each won 39 matches – 30 fewer than Geelong has.
  • Since the start of 2007, Brisbane, Essendon and Fremantle have each won 40 matches – 50 fewer than Geelong has.
  • Since the start of 2006, Geelong has won 100 matches. Richmond’s last 100 wins start from round 9, 1999.
RogersResults
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

What's the best coincidence I can think of?

When Brad Johnson had those shots after the siren and missed them both. List of coincidences:

Both times, Johnson missed.
Both times occured in Round 9.
Both times in back to back years.
Both times where a player broke 250/300 games (Brent Harvey and Jason Akermanis) in the match.
Both involved the Bulldogs losing.
Both involved a Victorian team winning.
Both games occured at night.
Both games were played in the Indigenous Round.
Both games were played in Melbourne.
Both last quarters involved Brad Johnson kicking a goal ten minutes before he lost both games.
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

I noticed that there is just 1 game at the MCG this weekend, so I thought I'd investigate.

No. of rounds there have been 0 games at the MCG (16+ team competition):

0: 1995, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2003, 2004, 2005, 2007, 2008, 2010, 2011
1: 2001, 2002, 2009
2: 1996
3: -
4: 2006

No. of rounds there has been 1 game at the MCG (16+ team competition):

1: 1998, 1999
2: 1995, 1996, 2009, 2010
3: 2006
4: 1997, 2001, 2008, 2011
5: 2007
6: 2002, 2005
7: 2003, 2004
8: 2000
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Lance Franklin has now kicked bags of 0.0, 1.1, 2.2, 3.3, 4.4, 5.5, and 6.6.

Closest he has come to 7.7 etc is 7.2, 8.6 and 9.5.
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Round 9 - 2011


  • Geelong's 14th consecutive third quarter win.
  • Melbourne have 3 wins, 4 losses, 1 draw from 8 matches. They have only done this once before - in 1911.
  • 37: Most scoring shots by Fremantle v Port Adelaide. Previous: 36 - 23.13-151 v 9.18-72 round 22, 2006.
  • Until half-time, the equal closest Richmond v Essendon match ever played.
  • Only the 4th time that West Coast has had the highest score of the round, had the biggest win and conceded the lowest score. Previous: Round 6, 1996 - 24.12-156 v Melbourne 7.8-50.

    More Here
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

A brief note on Matthew Lloyd's senior football career:

. . . . . . . .Games Goals
Home and away . 270 . . 926
Night/preseason .24 . . .60
State of Origin . 3 . . . 8
TOTALS . . . . .297 . . 994


Just short of two major milestones at the time of retirement, though he probably did not realise this.
 

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Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Was looking for a link to the excellent footy stats site and stumbled upon this post about a remarkable game re Melbourne vs Richmond in 1942, where Richmond scored 10 and 12 goals in the 2nd and 4th quarters and the Dees 10 in the 3rd.

That R2, 1942 game above must have been an incredible game:

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/g...419420516.html

48 goals were kicked in that game, but 36 were to one end, or +24 to one end.

So my question is what is the greatest difference in goals scored to one end of a ground? (say top 10) (quote Red and Black)

One amazing thing that i noticed was that the Tigers had FIVE 'Jacks' playing for them, the Demons had two. Would there be any more than five of any other name all in the one side ever before, and would seven Jacks be the most of any particular Christian name in any match ever played?

Geelong of recent times did have four Toms:- Hawkins, Harley, Lonergan and Gillies....
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Catsace said:
So my question is what is the greatest difference in goals scored to one end of a ground? (say top 10) (quote Red and Black)
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Quoting from a recent post on the stats questions thread...

Code: 
GD Year Rd Clubs G1 G2 Venue
--------------------------------------------
26 1979 21 Fi WB 31  5 Junction Oval
25 1964 10 WB Fi 26  1 Whitten Oval
24 1942  2 Me Ri 36 12 Punt Road Oval
24 1983  7 Sy Ca 32  8 Sydney Cricket Ground
24 1990  7 Es Ca 27  3 Windy Hill
23 1941  3 19 4  28  5 Brunswick Street Oval
23 1973 11 Co Es 31  8 Victoria Park
22 1927 17 WB Fi 23  1 Whitten Oval
22 1970 17 Es Me 26  4 Windy Hill
22 1981  6 NM Fi 34 12 Arden Street Oval
 
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Catsace said:
One amazing thing that i noticed was that the Tigers had FIVE 'Jacks' playing for them, the Demons had two. Would there be any more than five of any other name all in the one side ever before, and would seven Jacks be the most of any particular Christian name in any match ever played?

Geelong of recent times did have four Toms:- Hawkins, Harley, Lonergan and Gillies....
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Names are problematic to search for because of the possible variants, e.g. Edward, Eddie, Eddy, Ed, Ted, Teddy etc. As I don't have the time or inclination to conduct a definitive search, records for exact matches are:

In a team:

7 'Jacks', Richmond, 1939 R7, 8, 12, 1940 R15, 1941 R2-5 (combinations of 9 players - Cotter, Crane, Currie, Dyer, Quinn, Scott, Sullivan, Symons, Titus)
7 'Johns', Hawthorn, 1960 R5 (Dineen, Elward, Fisher, McArthur, Peck, Robertson, Winneke)
7 'Johns', Carlton, 1960 R13 (Bennetti, Chick, Heathcote, James, Nicholls, O'Keefe, Williams)
7 'Johns', Geelong, 1964 R11, PF (Brown, Devine, Fox, Newman, Sharrock, Watts, Yeates)

6's include Bill; 5's Brian, David, George, Ian, Mark, Matthew & Michael

In a match:

11 'Jacks', Ri v Ca, 1940 R11 (Crane, Dyer, Quinn, Scott, Symons, Titus [Ri], Bavin, Bennett, Carney, Hale, Wrout [Ca])
11 'Jacks', Ri v Ca, 1941 R2 (Cotter, Crane, Dyer, Quinn, Scott, Symons, Titus [Ri], Carney, hale, Skinner, Wrout [Ca])
11 'Johns', Ca v WB, 1959 R13 (Bennetti, Heathcote, James, Nicholls, O'Keefe [Ca], Brereton, Clegg, Hoiles, Jillard, Quarrell, Westacott [WB])
11 'Johns', Ha v WB, 1960 R3 (Dineen, Fisher, McArthur, Peck, Robertson, Winneke [Ha], Brereton, Clegg, Hoiles, Jillard, Schultz [WB])
11 'Johns', WB v Ge, 1964 R8 (Bradley, Charles, Greenwood, Hoiles, Jillard [WB], Brown, Devine, Fox, Newman, Sharrock, Watts [Ge])

10's are all Jacks & Johns; 9's include Bill; 8's are all Bills, Jacks & Johns; 7's include Brian, Charlie, George, Harry, Mark, Matthew, Michael & Peter
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

Thanks for that Ron, seven of the one name in a side is amazing, hope they all weren't nicnamed Jacko or something!

When i cut and pasted the original post by Red and Black it didn't show up as quoted like it would normally do, but then again i'm not much chop with the computer.


With the names, undoubtedly the more 'Anglo' mix of Australia in pre-WW2 era would contribute to so many names like Bill, Jack, John, Peter etc.

Doubt we'll have a side with seven Chances or Ty's!:D
 
Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats [Part 2]

By round 9 2011 all teams had scored or conceded 10,000 points from some time in either 2006 or 2007.

1) Geelong has scored their last 10,000 points in 28 fewer matches than Melbourne - 90 v 118.

2) Collingwood and WB/Footscray have both scored their last 10,000 points in 99 matches.

3) Adelaide, Port Adelaide and St Kilda have all scored their last 10,000 points in 112 matches.

4) Richmond have conceded their last 10,000 points in 35 fewer matches than Geelong and St Kilda - 92 v 127.

5) Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne and Richmond are the only 4 teams to have conceded 10,000 points starting after 2006.
 

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