So far in their first season the Giants have had the biggest loss of the round 10 times which is two and a half times more than Geelong and Sydney (4 times each) have had for the whole of the 21st century.
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Most team changes in a season:
Rich (BB code):
Chg Cb Year Ma
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104 NM 1978 25
98 GWS 2012 20
98 Co 1976 22
96 Me 1986 22
95 Ri 1986 22
95 NM 1981 22
95 Me 1906 17
95 Me 1979 22
94 St 1982 22
93 St 1898 17
93 NM 1984 22
93 St 1980 22
91 St 1983 22
91 Es 1978 22
91 Fi 1974 22
91 Co 1981 26
90 St 1945 20
90 Co 1974 24
90 Co 1982 22Another world record for GWS on the way? (They only have to maintain their average.)
The last time each club has had 12 or more scores under 60 points in a season.
(Not listed have never had 12 or more scores under 60 points in a season.)
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hawkman
Hall of Famer
What did Gold Coast have last year?
Did North Melbourne have a large number of injuries in 1978? Amzaing they made the Grand Final while making so many changes. Most of the others look like they are teams near the bottom
NB I've re-calculated the list to exclude the first game of the season, as it distorts the figures due to list changes.
GC are shown in the new list. They've had 72 this year, plus up to 8 this round, pending final selections.
Don't know about North. They had a lot of changes leading up to the GF:
R21 - 6
R22 - 8
SF - 7
PF - 7
Only three other teams have made as many changes for a final:
Hawthorn, 2011 Qualifying Final, 8 changes, lost by 31 (after resting players against the Suns)
Essendon, 1990 Semi Final, 7 changes, lost by 63
Geelong, 1921 Semi Final, 7 changes, lost by 61
Rich (BB code):
Ch Cb Year Ma
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99 NM 1978 24
98 GWS 2012 18
92 Co 1976 21
90 NM 1981 21
89 Fr 1995 21
88 Me 1979 21
86 Ri 1986 21
86 GC 2011 22
85 Me 1906 16
85 NM 1984 21
85 Me 1986 21
84 St 1980 21
84 Co 1981 25
84 Co 1982 21
84 St 1982 21
83 Co 1974 24
83 Fi 1974 21
83 Ri 1976 21
83 Sy 1981 21
83 Ge 1982 21GC are shown in the new list. They've had 72 this year, plus up to 8 this round, pending final selections.
Don't know about North. They had a lot of changes leading up to the GF:
R21 - 6
R22 - 8
SF - 7
PF - 7
Only three other teams have made as many changes for a final:
Hawthorn, 2011 Qualifying Final, 8 changes, lost by 31 (after resting players against the Suns)
Essendon, 1990 Semi Final, 7 changes, lost by 63
Geelong, 1921 Semi Final, 7 changes, lost by 61
The last time each club has had 13 or more scores under 60 points in a season.
(Not listed have never had 13 or more scores under 60 points in a season.)
Observed in Round 21 2012
- A scoring event that has only happened once before (60 years ago.).
- Carlton did something to Essendon they have only done to them once before.
- GWS have a record that hasn't been surpassed since 1905.
- Fremantle have played exactly half their matches at Subiaco Oval.
- The 100th match lost by Collingwood in a particular category.
- Adelaide's biggest first quarter lead in a match that they lost.
- The lowest AFL attendance at Football Park.
- The Swans equal a record they needed a whole season to set.
- Hawthorn equal a record they needed a whole season to set.
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Must be frustrating for Tiger fans - steps forward then steps backward.
Of teams that have competed 1995-2012, Fremantle have had the second lowest percentage of matches being wins in all 4 quarters - ahead of Melbourne and just behind Richmond. How close it is between Fremantle and Richmond can be seen below.
Number and percentage of matches played that were wins in all 4 quarters - 1995-2012 R21
SJ
Premium Platinum
What is the record for the most home and away wins across six consecutive seasons?
I have the calculation based on match/win percentage - so it includes finals as well.
Collingwood 1925-30 81.56%
Geelong 2007-2012 R21 is currently on 81.38%
Geelong have won 106 home and away matches 2007-2012 R21
Collingwood 1925-30 won 90 home and home (as they were called then) matches.
Hawthorn 1984-1989 won 105 home and away matches. (78.33% of all matches.)
Now you have bought this to the attention of the Football Gods!
Match/win percentage is neck and neck between Collingwood 1925-1930 and Geelong 2007-2012
Home and Away matches won in 6 consecutive seasons, Geelong is unassailable.
For the numerologists and historically minded:
As a result of last night's match Hawthorn now lead Sydney in combined scores from the 151 matches between the two by 1066 points.
As a result of last night's match Hawthorn now lead Sydney in combined scores from the 151 matches between the two by 1066 points.
Could be Arthur Mailey, the Norman Conquest of England or about the accuracy of Dawes and Cloke..
beez
A*mazing
Fremantle win without Pavlich - the last time that happened was Rd 22 2008
Richmond win and the other big 4 teams all lose - the last time that happened was Rd 22 2008
Richmond win and the other big 4 teams all lose - the last time that happened was Rd 22 2008
Observed in round 22 2012
- A first for Richmond v Essendon
- Something Richmond haven't done since the 1973 Grand Final.
- GWS have a chance next week of equaling a record set in 1897.
- Brisbane stuck in a scoring rut v Port Adelaide.
- A new club record for Hawthorn.
- Hawthorn also now have the best particular stat from all matches from 1951 to now.
- A worst by Collingwood since 1954.
- A first for the Gold Coast.
- WB/Footscray have a current streak that is now their longest since 1968.
- A first and three new records for Fremantle.
- Two new records for Adelaide.
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Footnote: Port Adelaide and University each won 22, lost 19 and drew 2 of their first 43 matches. (University had a higher percentage.)
If the scores this weekend are Sydney 92 defeat Geelong 88, Fremantle 100 defeat Melbourne 49, and North Melbourne 138 defeat GWS 60, then there will be a three-way tie for sixth on 56 points and precisely 115% (23:20 ratio in all three teams' for vs against). Those margins will all be within a couple of goals of the bookies' lines I'm guessing ...
Hahahaha. I think they toss a coin in that situation. Seriously.
Geebus....That sort of scenario is entirely possible, and certainly would be highly interesting for the AFL to work out! Ron's idea might be the best suggestion, or maybe Rock, Paper Scissors?
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hawkman
Hall of Famer
I would guess it would then go by points scored
Actually if two teams are tied, I think it comes down to results of matches between those two teams. If, for example, they met once and it was a draw, then they toss a coin.
Correct.
Correct. And Fremantle has beaten both North & Geelong the only time they met this year.
Just to let the air out of the tyres, in my 25 years of simulating AFL seasons I usually see an exact tie for final positions at a rate of one every 150,000 seasons or so. Even this week, it's about one in 20,000 for a two-way tie and astronomical for three-way, more than 100 million to one against even though I can easily construct a dozen sets of credible scores that do it.
1897-2012 R22 there have been 27,040 individual team results after a completed round of matches.
The latest two teams have been on equal match points and equal percentage has been round 4 of 1940.
Essendon and Geelong each had two wins and two losses and each had scored 353 points and each had conceded 381 points. (Not realised at the time because published progressive ladders had Essendon with 382 points against.)
After round 5 they were each on three wins but Geelong had now scored 3 more points than Essendon and conceded 1 fewer putting them 0.87% ahead.
It is commonly believed that in the highly unlikely event that after 22 rounds that two teams still be tied on match points and percentage that their ladder positions would be decided on results between the two teams and finally if still not separable, by lot. Has any anyone actually seen this in print somewhere - in an official League publication?
Would a club actually give up a place in the finals on the toss of a coin or a 'draw out of a hat'?
I would think the arrangements are not locked in and there would be some ad hoc decision to sort out the situation. A mid-week 'lightning' match?
The latest two teams have been on equal match points and equal percentage has been round 4 of 1940.
Essendon and Geelong each had two wins and two losses and each had scored 353 points and each had conceded 381 points. (Not realised at the time because published progressive ladders had Essendon with 382 points against.)
After round 5 they were each on three wins but Geelong had now scored 3 more points than Essendon and conceded 1 fewer putting them 0.87% ahead.
It is commonly believed that in the highly unlikely event that after 22 rounds that two teams still be tied on match points and percentage that their ladder positions would be decided on results between the two teams and finally if still not separable, by lot. Has any anyone actually seen this in print somewhere - in an official League publication?
Would a club actually give up a place in the finals on the toss of a coin or a 'draw out of a hat'?
I would think the arrangements are not locked in and there would be some ad hoc decision to sort out the situation. A mid-week 'lightning' match?
