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[Bomber59]

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In a similar vein, the last year that Essendon did not have a Fletcher or Daniher on the list was 1966.

Ken Fletcher 1967 - 1980
Terry Daniher 1978 - 1991
Chris 1987 - 1997 and Anthony 1987-1994 Daniher
Dustin Fletcher 1993 -
Darcy Daniher 2008 -

If it wasn't for the year 1992, the span from 1966 to 2010 would be covered by 3 players - Ken Fletcher, Terry Daniher and Dustin Fletcher.

You can do the same sort of stat with the Fletchers and Watsons from 1966 to now - Ken, then Tim, then Dustin, then Jobe. But again 1992 is the problem - that was the year Tim Watson didn't play and was the year before Dustin Fletcher debuted. Bit random but interesting!

 

[winty]

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I was thinking about Robert Harvey too...And he has more brownlow votes then free kicks against.

Definitely not true. According to footywire.com it's true, until you look at the free kick tallies from 1993-1997. If it's to be believed, he didn't receive or concede a free kick for five years.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-st-kilda-saints--robert-harvey

 

[emuboy]

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Picked up a very interesting one about Port Adelaide in 2005.

In Round 10 2005 Port Adelaide its first century loss in its history to that stage against the West Coast Eagles at Subiaco Oval, going down by a massive 117 points. Three weeks later, Port Adelaide scored a huge win over Hawthorn at AAMI Stadium, kicking 29.14-188 to 10.11-71 - a winning margin of 117 points!

A side's biggest winning margin and biggest losing margins for the season being the same is an incredible coincidence, and I am not sure if this is a unique achievement. For a time, these 117 point games remained Port's greatest winning and greatest losing margins in its AFL history, but it has since lost by 119 points to Geelong in the 2007 Grand Final.

 

[red+black]

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There was a thread on this very topic last year. It can be reduced to 8 players, starting with the first round of VFL football. The rounds listed are the final rounds in which both linking players participated.

1897 R1 Teddy Rankin (Ge)

I had a feeling it could be reduced to 8. I was just going off the Most Career Games page which only list 200-game players.

And yep, Teddy didn't make the 200 list: http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Teddy_Rankin.html

 

[*Paul*]

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I have Harvey as 267 frees against, and 215 BM votes
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/R/Robert_Harvey.html

 

[Falchoon]

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Luke Ball, Leigh Montagna, Lenny Hayes and Jason Gram kicked a total of 28 goals 55 behinds in 2009.

 

[Damon_3388]

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Definitely not true. According to footywire.com it's true, until you look at the free kick tallies from 1993-1997. If it's to be believed, he didn't receive or concede a free kick for five years.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-st-kilda-saints--robert-harvey

If you look at other players who debuted before 1998, it's the same. I don't think there is reliable frees for/against stats available for games played before 1998.

 

[crudbucket]

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Had Robert Harvey on my mind during the week, and an odd question came to mind. I was wondering if you started from Round 1, 1897 and went right through to the 2009 Grand Final, what is the least number of players required where each of their careers overlapped the next.

The answer is 9:

[B]1.[/B] (any number of players)
[B]2.[/B] Fred Elliott     R 1, 1899  -  SF,  1911
[B]3.[/B] Wels Eicke       R15, 1909  -  R18, 1926
[B]4.[/B] Jack Titus       R12, 1926  -  R15, 1943
[B]5.[/B] Lou Richards     R 6, 1942  -  R17, 1955
[B]6.[/B] Kevin Murray     R 4, 1955  -  R22, 1974
[B]7.[/B] Russell Greene   R 1, 1974  -  GF,  1988
[B]8.[/B] Robert Harvey    R19, 1988  -  PF,  2008
[B]9.[/B] (any number of players)

Only thing wrong with that table is that Kevin Murray played the 1965 & 1966 seasons with East Perth so there is a 2 year gap in the chain.

 

[okeydoke7]

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Definitely not true. According to footywire.com it's true, until you look at the free kick tallies from 1993-1997. If it's to be believed, he didn't receive or concede a free kick for five years.

http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/pc-st-kilda-saints--robert-harvey

Ahh damn. I thought it was too awesome to be true.

 

[lifelike_]

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Not sure if they've been mentioned -

Sydney and the Western Bulldogs were the only teams didn't lose a game by 100+ points from 2000-2009.

Sydney's biggest losing margin during that time was 72 points, and they only lost three games by 60 points or more.

 

[Ed_Gein]

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Not sure if they've been mentioned -

Sydney and the Western Bulldogs were the only teams didn't lose a game by 100+ points from 2000-2009.

Sydney's biggest losing margin during that time was 72 points, and they only lost three games by 60 points or more.

Que ugly gameplan remarks.

Also think that under Paul Roos prior to 2009 our biggest loss under him was in the 40's somewhere IIRC. Which is remarkable over a 6 year period or so.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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The only 100+ margin for 2009 was for Adelaide over Freo. There were 2-10 such results every year from 1974 to 2008.

 

[Damon_3388]

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Here's a quick 5:

1. After Round 15, 1998, Carlton were sitting 15th on the ladder with a 4-11 record. Between Rounds 16-22, Carlton went 5-2. This wasn't enough to elevate them into the finals though, and they finished the 1998 season in 10th position. However, during that 7-game late-season charge, Fraser Brown averaged 33.57 disposals per game, and gained 7 Brownlow votes for his trouble. He finished with a 25.68 disposals per game average for the season (from 19 games), as well as 18 Brownlow votes (equal 8th in the count).
2. In the 1991 season, the Sydney Swans had a 7-1-14 record and finished 12th on the ladder. Barry Mitchell played every game that season, averaging 31.32 disposals per game, as well as scoring 30.21. He didn't receive any Brownlow votes that year. Furthermore, over a 6 season period (121 games) between 1987 and 1992, Mitchell averaged 28.73 disposals and 1.29 goals per game for the Swans, for a return of just 13 Brownlow votes. It's fair to say that playing with Greg Williams (69 votes and one Brownlow Medal from 123 games in that time) and Gerard Healy (39 votes and one Brownlow Medal from 81 games in that time) hurt Mitchell's chances of getting votes from the umpires
3. A sampling of players who have managed 40 disposals in a losing side - Robert Harvey (4 times), Greg Williams (3 times), Nathan Buckley (3 times), Barry Mitchell (3 times), Joel Bowden (twice), Gerard Healy, Ryan O'Keefe, Brett Kirk, Paul Kelly, Chris McDermott, Scott West, Terry Wallace, Tony Shaw, Simon Atkins.
4. Tony Lockett kicked 7 or more goals in a loss 17 times during his 281-game career.
5. Warwick Capper kicked 7 or more goals 8 times during his 124-game career, yet only received Brownlow votes in 3 of those games, and only got the 3 votes in one of those games.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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38 players have played in consecutive drawn matches. The most recent were St.Kilda's Jeff Sarau and Russell Tweeddale in Rounds 5 & 7, 1977.

 

[Wallaby]

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38 players have played in consecutive drawn matches. The most recent were St.Kilda's Jeff Sarau and Russell Tweeddale in Rounds 5 & 7, 1977.

OK - I'll bite. How do Rd 5 & Rd 7 make consecutive matches? Or did both players miss Rd 6?

 

[YOTC]

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ok - i'll bite. How do rd 5 & rd 7 make consecutive matches? Or did both players miss rd 6?

 

[Scottish Lobster]

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1. Robin Nahas has a massive knob - about the size of three Barry Hall fists.
2. He can eat 2 kebabs in one sitting.
3. 60% of the time he prefers garlic sauce.
4. 20% of the time he prefers chilli sauce.
5. 20% of the time he likes both - no hummus.

Confirmed by his Aunt and his second cousin.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

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I can see that you will last a while here...

 

[mianfei]

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Night match?


As part of the so called 'National Day' round the Geelong v Essendon match was scheduled to be played on Saturday 14th June but due to heavy rain was postponed to the following Monday night under lights. (I believe the Brisbane Exhibition Ground had lighting for night trotting.)

ref: Every Game Ever Played 4th edition 1994. p 376.

Did you know:

1. that heavy rain had in fact spoiled almost the whole of the National Day Round, and that it was associated with some of the most widespread floods in southern Australia ever known?
2. that on only one other case, in 1903 from a railway strike that prevented Carlton travelling to Geelong, has only one of a week's matches been postponed.
   1. that this postponed match was one of only three played interstate outside of the National Day Round until 1979
3. That before Fitzroy's incredible win over North Melbourne in the thirteenth round of 1983, Essendon's win over Geelong was the (equal) biggest loss ever suffered by a minor premier (the record was shared with Collingwood's win over Richmond in Round Nine of 1974).
4. (to illustrate how much our climate has changed from global warming), the northern wet season of 1951/1952 was the driest on record, with rainfalls a fraction of what the super-monsoons of today provide.

 

[mianfei]

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Indeed up to the start of the 1955 season, Collingwood had won 49 of their 51 encounters against Hawthorn!!

More than that, Hawthorn's first two wins against Collingwood would almost certainly not have been possible but for huge losses incurred by Collingwood as a result of World War II, which took away many of their top players. In Hawthorn's first win against Collingwood, only four of the nineteen who played in the 1939 Grand Final were available.

Thus, it is reasonable to assume that, but for World War II, Hawthorn would have gone thirty years without beating Collingwood, and that Collingwood's 29-game winning streak would have been very nearly doubled. At the very least, it would have doubled the next-longest winning sequence by one club against another.

By the time Hawthorn had its first-ever peacetime win over Collingwood in Round 4 of 1955, the prevalent eastern-suburbs culture of marianismo that kept Hawthorn attached to the bottom of the ladder for so long had finally begun to be uprooted by Jack Hale. It is noteworthy, though, that this accepting-of-defeat culture did not really disappear from the area: Hawthorn's Under-19s never made the finals until the country zoning gerrymander began to have an influence in 1969.

 

[Supermercado]

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By the time Hawthorn had its first-ever peacetime win over Collingwood in Round 4 of 1955, the prevalent eastern-suburbs culture of marianismo that kept Hawthorn attached to the bottom of the ladder for so long had finally begun to be uprooted by Jack Hale. It is noteworthy, though, that this accepting-of-defeat culture did not really disappear from the area: Hawthorn's Under-19s never made the finals until the country zoning gerrymander began to have an influence in 1969.

I'm interested in finding out more about the zones but there's precious little information. Do you know of a source with a list of zones and dates that the rules were effective?

 

[mianfei]

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I'm interested in finding out more about the zones but there's precious little information. Do you know of a source with a list of zones and dates that the rules were effective?

I can give you a list of zones staright away:
Major Leagues and VFL clubs

• Carlton: Bendigo Football League
• Collingwood: Western Border Football League
• Essendon: Wimmera Football League
• Fitzroy: Hampden Football League
• Footscray: Gippsland Football League
• Geelong: Mid Muuray Football League
• Hawthorn: Mornington Peninsula Football League
• Melbourne: Goulburn Valley Football League
• North Melbourne: Ovens and Murray Football League
• Richmond: Sunraysia Football League
• St. Kilda: Ballarat Football League
• South Melbourne/Sydney Swans: Riverina Football League

According to this site, which has the best information about country zoning, the system was effective for the nineteen years from 1968 to 1986.

(However, one must remember that because players from the country zoning era were still a vital component of the game until well after country zoning was abolished. It was not until between about 1990 and 1993 that one could say country zoning's influence had seriously disappeared.)

 

[Lurkalot]

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More than that, Hawthorn's first two wins against Collingwood would almost certainly not have been possible but for huge losses incurred by Collingwood as a result of World War II, which took away many of their top players. In Hawthorn's first win against Collingwood, only four of the nineteen who played in the 1939 Grand Final were available.

Thus, it is reasonable to assume that, but for World War II, Hawthorn would have gone thirty years without beating Collingwood, and that Collingwood's 29-game winning streak would have been very nearly doubled. At the very least, it would have doubled the next-longest winning sequence by one club against another.

That's some excellent conjecturing, Poindexter.

A perusal of the names playing for the 'pies in the 1939 GF reveals six members who were included in the Collingwood TOC. Of the six, only Whelan & Kyne played in the said first loss to Hawthorn three seasons later. However, it appears of the absent four, only Jack Regan was missing from the Black & White due to wartime duties. Albert Collier had transferred to Fitzroy at the end of 1940, while older brother Herb had retired. Des Fothergill had controversially transferred to a VFA club for season 1941, before (with the VFA in wartime recess) enlisting in the Army the following year. A VFL amnesty at the end of WWII saw him re-join the Magpies. Goalkicking machine, Ron Todd was the other star of that 1939 side - Todd transferred to Williamstown for the $$$ at the start of the 1940 season.

In fact there was actually five players remaining from the Collingwood 1939 GF side that fronted up at Glenferrie Oval in 1942. It's interesting to note that Hawthorn also had 14 players missing from the team that narrowly lost to Collingwood in Round 17 of 1939.

Clearly Collingwood weren't the only club to feel the effects of WWII.

By the time Hawthorn had its first-ever peacetime win over Collingwood in Round 4 of 1955, the prevalent eastern-suburbs culture of marianismo that kept Hawthorn attached to the bottom of the ladder for so long had finally begun to be uprooted by Jack Hale. It is noteworthy, though, that this accepting-of-defeat culture did not really disappear from the area: Hawthorn's Under-19s never made the finals until the country zoning gerrymander began to have an influence in 1969.

Why you feel the need to take a swipe at the Hawks zoning, which occurred some 30 years later, is beyond me. It adds nothing to why Collingwood were so dominant over Hawthorn until the mid 1950's. Which really is the crux of the initial posting.

 

[Hard Ball Get]

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Has anyone got a stat on the most games played at one club before changing jumper number?

I thought about it the other day and came up with Lockett at Sydney before retirement?

 

[Lurkalot]

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Has anyone got a stat on the most games played at one club before changing jumper number?

I thought about it the other day and came up with Lockett at Sydney before retirement?

I'd have to go with Paul Salmon - played 215 games for the Bombers before being lured out of retirement in 2002 (after his Hawthorn stint) & changed his jumper no from 3 to 4.