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[mianfei]

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1. The most goals in a V/AFL career without ever kicking at least six goals in a match is 345 by Dale Weightman of Richmond
2. Richmond defender Greg Strachan kicked only eight goals in his 154-game career - and all those goals were against Fitzroy or the Swans
3. Geelong's match with North Melbourne at Kardinia Park in 1980 is the only one where no behinds were scored after half-time
4. West Coast in 1992 kicked the season's two lowest scores (3.5 against Footscray and 3.11 against St. Kilda) and still won the premiership
5. 1969 and 1973 are the only V/AFL seasons in which there was no score of five or fewer goals

 

[Ron The Bear]

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1. The most goals in a V/AFL career without ever kicking at least six goals in a match is 345 by Dale Weightman of Richmond
2. Richmond defender Greg Strachan kicked only eight goals in his 154-game career - and all those goals were against Fitzroy or the Swans
3. Geelong's match with North Melbourne at Kardinia Park in 1980 is the only one where no behinds were scored after half-time
4. West Coast in 1992 kicked the season's two lowest scores (3.5 against Footscray and 3.11 against St. Kilda) and still won the premiership
5. 1969 and 1973 are the only V/AFL seasons in which there was no score of five or fewer goals

Good trivia

 

[red+black]

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Good trivia

+1

 

[red+black]

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Melbourne face Collingwood and Adelaide in the next two weeks. If they lose those, they will join St Kilda (1982-86) and Hawthorn (1946-1950) as the only teams to lose their first three games in five consecutive seasons.

 

[red+black]

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Taken from the Weird Football Games (Scoring) thread

This weekend was strange. 3 games where decided by 56 points and the total scores in those 3 games of the winning sides was 117, 118, 120.

What winning margins, be they higher or lower than 56 points, have been achieved by 3 or more teams in the same round?

 

[ThomasR]

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Taken from the Weird Football Games (Scoring) thread



What winning margins, be they higher or lower than 56 points, have been achieved by 3 or more teams in the same round?

56 is a record for the highest winning margin achieved by 3 or more teams in a round.

Only once have four teams had the same winning margin - 1 point in Round 4 1938, which is made more remarkable considering there were only six games per round back then.

Essendon and Carlton defeated St Kilda and Geelong respectively by 106 points in Round 17 1944.

Games     Season        Round        Margin
--------  ------------  -----------  ------
       4  1938                   13       1
       3  2010                    1      56
       3  1902                    2      53
       3  2008                   17      28
       3  1968                   10      28
       3  2003                   20      14
       3  2005                   17      13
       3  1954                    8       9
       3  2008                   18       8
       3  1989                    6       8
       3  1915                    7       2
       3  2004                    6       1

 

[mianfei]

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Games     Season        Round        Margin
--------  ------------  -----------  ------
       3  1954                    8       9
       3  1989                    6       8
       3  1915                    7       2

Interesting list. The cases from 1954 and 1989 are particularly remarkable because Geelong were in both cases one of the losing sides in a very strange way:

1. In 1954, they lost by nine points depite scoring more goals than Melbourne. At the time that was the second highest losing margin with more goals, behind Fitzroy's loss to Hawthorn in 1935
2. In 1989, as you are likely to know, Geelong kicked the highest ever losing score against Hawthorn. In the context of the 1954 case, it is interesting to note that the previous highest losing score was by Fitzroy against Melbourne in Round 2 of 1978
3. This is an odd link to the 1954 case of losing with more goals because a consistent quartet of clubs is involved.

A parallel occurs because soon after both rounds Geelong went on a long winning streak:

• immediately in 1989 - not losing again until Round 16, when coincidentally they lost to Melbourne despite scoring more goals!
• Until the twentieth round of 2005, there were no other cases where Geelong lost to Melbourne with more goals​
• after one more loss to Richmond in 1954 they did not lose until the finals

The 1915 case is just as noteworthy, for the following reasons:

1. There were only four games that round, so that the two-point margin applied to 75 percent of the games
2. In one of the games, Dick Lee, the first "goal machine" in footy, kicked all but one of Collingwood's ten goals in their loss to Carlton
3. In another, St. Kilda beat Richmond with two fewer goals, 5.20 to 7.6. It was the first match won with two fewer goals since 1901

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[Ron The Bear]

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In the Sydney v St.Kilda match, Jarryn Geary played in his 16th consecutive win, while Mark Seaby debuted for his new club in his 9th consecutive losing side.

 

[red+black]

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Hopefully I don't mozz my own team this week, but Fremantle have never won away from home when they started the round in the top 4.

 

[mianfei]

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1. The last round of 1920 was the first round where every winning side scored 100 points
2. South Melbourne in 1922 and 1962 are the only cases of a wooden spooner kicking the season's highest score
3. The last three teams to fail to win a game - North Melbourne in 1934, Hawthorn in 1950 and Fitzroy in 1964 - all got within a goal of beating Carlton
4. Five of St. Kilda's six highest losing scores (viz. 21.18, 20.17 twice, 21.10 and 19.21) are against Collingwood - and these are five of the six highest losing scores against the Magpies
5. Geelong and Footscray have never lost a game during which they scored two more goals; the Swans have never won a match during which they scored two fewer goals

 

[red+black]

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Geelong and Footscray have never lost a game during which they scored two more goals; the Swans have never won a match during which they scored two fewer goals

translation please

 

[Ed_Gein]

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If I'm not mistaken I think it means Geelong and dogs have never lost a game with a score like 9.0 to 7.14 for example. (scored 2 extra goals but still lost)

the swans Re the opposite, they've never won a game scoring 2 less goals than the opposition, relying on behinds to get over the line.

 

[mianfei]

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If I'm not mistaken I think it means Geelong and dogs have never lost a game with a score like 9.0 to 7.14 for example. (scored 2 extra goals but still lost)

the swans Re the opposite, they've never won a game scoring 2 less goals than the opposition, relying on behinds to get over the line.

Ed Gein, you are exactly correct! I imagine you could never recall such a game, for there was not one case of a team winning scoring two fewer goals in the AFL during the 2000s.

There was

• one in the 1990s, when North Melbourne 12.21 (93) pipped Melbourne 14.8 (92)
• two in the 1980s:
  • Collingwood 11.22 (88) beating Essendon 13.6 (84) in 1980
  • Carlton 12.25 (97) beating St. Kilda 14.12 (96) in 1987
• three in the 1970s, two with very similar scorelines to the 1980 Collingwood-Essendon clash and another where Fitzroy won scoring 5.24 (54) to North's 7.7 (49)
• three in the 1960s
• one in the 1950s
• two in the 1940s
• six in the 1930s
• one in the 1920s
• one in the 1910s (noted above)

The team which has lost most games scoring two more goals is Richmond, who have done so five times. Essendon have won four games in which they scored two fewer goals but thirteen or more excess behinds.

 

[Ed_Gein]

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Very nice. Where are you getting these stats from?

vs Freo 07 + 06
vs WB 04
vs Saints 03

are the only games since 2000 we've kicked over 2 goals worth of behinds than our opponents i think. So not a real common occurance for us.

Also, who wants to go about digging up how many times a team has failed to reach the oppositions qtr time score? Probably happened a lot in the real early days of the game when big scores were a rarity. Also, who's done it the most? Who's kept the opposing team under their qtr time score the most?

That is, if anyone really enjoy digging out stats.

 

[mianfei]

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Very nice. Where are you getting these stats from?

vs Freo 07 + 06
vs WB 04
vs Saints 03

are the only games since 2000 we've kicked over 2 goals worth of behinds than our opponents i think.

I got them in an e-mail from Rogers Results and worked them out using Microsoft Excel. If you look at my post here you will see more detail about match where a team has scored two fewer goals and not lost.

 

[lloydy_loinchop]

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Hopefully I don't mozz my own team this week, but Fremantle have never won away from home when they started the round in the top 4.

I was discussing something similar with my brother when deciding who to tip in that game. We thought that Freo, as impressive as they were last week, will probably lose because of their club culture: they are satisifed with a resounding Round 1 win and don't care that much about Round 2, especially away from home. Harsh I know, but will we be proven right?

 

[LiterallyNobody]

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Can somone tell me if this is a record because I think it might be, but I'm not sure.

In 2006, St Kilda went from 9.6.60 to 25.6.156 against Richmond - sixteen consecutive goals - I don't think any team has beaten this but I could be wrong. Anyone able to prove me otherwise.

I know Geelong kicked fifteen straight in 1979 against St Kilda 5.8.38 to 20.8.128.

 

[red+black]

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Hopefully I don't mozz my own team this week, but Fremantle have never won away from home when they started the round in the top 4.

Well, that record has now been broken.

And assuming Cats/Hawks don't jump to top two (they shouldn't), this is the first time that Fremantle have been top 2 in consecutive weeks. If North didn't get absolutely smashed, then Fremantle would probably be on top of the ladder.

 

[red+black]

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60 - the number of rounds (exc. Round 1) that Geelong have been top 4.

Could this streak end today? It will with a loss to Hawthorn. Even with a small win (<10), Geelong may only climb to 5th.

 

[red+black]

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Geelong extend their run by sneaking into 4th above Collingwood by 0.8%.

 

[YOTC]

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good work Rabs

Geelong has played 3 consecutive games where they have come back to win after being down at 3/4 time, anyone know the record?

I know it won't be close but I don't want to look like a post whore. And it's a nice stat to know.

 

[red+black]

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The 6 remaining undefeated teams play amongst each other next week:

[1] St Kilda      v [5] Collingwood
[6] Port Adelaide v [3] Brisbane Lions
[2] Fremantle     v [4] Geelong

Fremantle have never won the first three games of the year.

Fremantle has only once won three of the first four games of the year.

Geelong has never won the first three games of the year in three consecutive seasons.

Round 3 is Brisbane's worst round with a record of 3-9-1.

St Kilda have only once won the first three games of the year in consecutive seasons.

Over the last 5 years, for the first 3 rounds, Richmond are 1-13. That's better than Melbourne who are 0-14!!!

 

[red+black]

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Essendon have been 0-3 just once in their history (1967) when they went 0-5.

So odds favour Essendon defeating Carlton next week

Even after a bad start to 1967, Essendon made the grand final in 1968

 

[RogersResults]

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Round 2 2010:

1) Only the 2nd time since 1987 that Carlton has had fewer than 4 goals and more than 10 behinds at half time. Previous 3.12 v Sydney/SM round 4 2009.

2) Melbourne joins only 4 other teams that won the 1st quarter, trailed by less than a goal at 1/2 and 3/4 time, won the 2nd half but lost the match by 1 point. Others have been Geelong v WB/Footscray round 4 2006, Carlton v Fitzroy round 15 1952, Carlton v Geelong round 12 1940 and Nth Melbourne v Richmond round 7 1926.

3) First time since round 21 1998 (4.1-25 v West Coast 0.0-0) and only the 2nd time since 1968 that St Kilda has held an opponent scoreless in the 1st quarter.

4) Richmond's 4th consecutive loss in all 4 quarters the most in the club's history. Equal with Brisbane rounds 7-10 1992. Only St Kilda has more - 5, rounds 9-13 1897.

5) Hawthorn have won just 4 of their last 17 round 2 matches.

More like this:

 

[RogersResults]

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good work Rabs

Geelong has played 3 consecutive games where they have come back to win after being down at 3/4 time, anyone know the record?

I know it won't be close but I don't want to look like a post whore. And it's a nice stat to know.

Three appears to be the maximum. Geelong joins the following.

Carlton rounds 15,16,17 1936.
Collingwood rounds 16,17,18 1951.
Essendon rounds 5,6,7 1908.
Essendon rounds 9,10,11 2007 (then round 13 2007)
Melbourne rounds 9,10,11 1929.
Melbourne rounds 16,17,18 1946 (then after a miss in r19, the 1st semi and pre final - (19 rounds in 1946).)
Sydney/SM rounds 13,14,15 1907.
Sydney/SM rounds 8,9,10 1910.

Honourable mention:

West Coast rounds 7,8,10,11,14,15 2006.

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