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[mianfei]

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Random stat: Has a team won the flag with one/two draws for the year? This doesn't include finals draws

This answer is YES…

Could Collingwood do it this year?

A more noteworthy point is that Collingwood, currently atop the ladder, would if they win the premiership become the first premier since Carlton in 1995 to have kicked four or fewer goals in a match. The Magpies kicked 4.17 (41) against St. Kilda early in the year at Docklands. If we exclude the very low-scoring years before 1919, a full list of premiers scoring four or fewer goals in a match (scores where the eventual premier won with a score of four or fewer goals are italicised) is:

• Richmond in 1920:
  • 3.8 (26) v Carlton
  • 4.6 (30) v Carlton in Second Semi-Final
• Fitzroy in 1922:
  • 3.14 (32) v Richmond
• Essendon in 1923:
  • 1.12 (18) v St. Kilda
• Collingwood in 1927:
  • 3.13 (31) v Essendon
  • 2.13 (25) v Richmond in Grand Final
• Geelong in 1931:
  • 4.19 (43) v Collingwood
  • 3.10 (28) v Carlton
• Richmond in 1934:
  • 4.9 (33) v Geelong
• Essendon in 1942:
  • 4.15 (39) v St. Kilda
• Geelong in 1951:
  • 3.11 (29) v Collingwood
• Melbourne in 1957:
  • 4.9 (33) v Hawthorn
• Collingwood in 1958:
  • 4.9 (33) v Melbourne in Second Semi Final
• Melbourne in 1960:
  • 2.7 (19) v Collingwood
• Geelong in 1963:
  • 4.11 (35) v Melbourne
  • 3.13 (31) v Fitzroy
• Melbourne in 1964:
  • 4.14 (38) v Footscray
• Carlton in 1968:
  • 1.11 (17) v Essendon
• Carlton in 1970:
  • 2.12 (24) v Collingwood
• Essendon in 1984:
  • 4.10 (34) v Footscray
• West Coast in 1992:
  • 3.11 (29) v St. Kilda
  • 3.5 (23) v Footscray
• Carlton in 1995:
  • 3.6 (24) v St. Kilda

 

[red+black]

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Heath Black had 2 stints at Freo

The first was 69 games and 31 goals
the second 69 games and 30 goals

Yeah his first stint was better.

 

[RogersResults]

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Round 19 2010 - Trivia


1) Since 2006, Essendon has conceded more centuries than any other team - 71 (65.74% of their matches.) Geelong in the same period has conceded the least - 21 or 18.26% of matches played.
2) 4th time Sydney/SM has been 40 or more pts ahead at 1/2 time compared to once in 2009 and 2008. Most: 5 in 1987.
3) 70 pts. Brisbane's lowest winning score v West Coast.
4) 3.13: The fewest goals with the most behinds scored in the last quarter of a Collingwood v Geelong match since 1.12-18 round 10, 1917.
5) St Kilda's quarter tally was increased in each subsequent quarter by 2 to 5 pts. This is the first win St Kilda has done this in a match and the only 24th time a winning team has done this. St Kilda's winning margin of 94 pts. is the highest by a team doing this.

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[mianfei]

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3) 70 pts. Brisbane's lowest winning score v West Coast

Things I noticed on your site that are not even listed there:

1. Brisbane’s win is the first winning only the second quarter for just over two years - since Western Bulldogs against Sydney in Round 18 of 2008
2. Brisbane’s score is the lowest in a home-and-away game by a team winning only the second quarter and the match since the twelfth round of 1965, when South Melbourne scored 8.8 (56) to North Melbourne’s 6.17 (53)
3. The game is the first Round 19 match won by winning only the second quarter

Two more noteworthy facts that are related to this occurrence and which I just found out:

1. The last season where no match was won winning only one quarter was 1951
2. Previous seasons where no match was won winning only one quarter were 1946, 1918, 1910, 1907, 1906, 1905, 1903, 1902, 1899 and 1897

 

[red+black]

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A common trivia question is which team won the wooden spoon and premiership in the same year. Well the Bendigo Pioneers will soon have a chance to emulate Fitzroy of 1916. The TAC Cup has 13 teams and this year introduced a finals system comprising the top 12 teams, except 12th placed Greater Western Sydney have announced that they won't compete in the finals. Thus, last placed Bendigo will (probably) win the wooden spoon yet will also play in finals for a chance to win this year's TAC Cup.

 

[Damaged Cure]

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Sorry if these have been posted. But these come to mind.

The 2 umpire system was introduced in 1976

The out of bounds on the full rule started in 1969

The VFL first tried a diamond in the middle of the ground instead of a square for the 1974 season. For obvious reasons this was then changed to a square.

The North Melbourne football club was once known as Hotham.

Fitzroy were called the Gorillas from 1938 - 1956

Before the Brownlow Medal the award for the best player was called Champion of the Colony ( 1897 - 1902 ) and then called Champion of the Season ( 1902 - 1924 )

The 1st 2 seasons of the VFL consisted of 20 playes on the field and from 1899 onwards there have been 18 only on the field.

By the end of the 1922 season Fitzroy had the most premierships in the competition ( 7 ) this was then overtaken by Collingwood when they won there 8th in the 1928 season. The poor Lions would only win 1 more

North Melbourne was the 1st of the three new teams to come into the comp in 1925 to reach a Grand Final ( 1950 vs Ess ) Yet was the last to win a flag.
Footscray 1954 and Hawthorn 1961 beat them to it.


Fitzroy managed to win 5 Brownlow medals from 1931 - 1936 ( Bunton, Smallhorn, Ryan ) yet never made the finals in any of these years.

 

[mianfei]

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1. 2004 was both
   1. the last season without a draw
   2. the last season with no match where scores were level at three-quarter time
2. In 1914 there were four draws but no match with level scores at three-quarter time
3. The biggest final winning margin with scores level at three-quarter time is 57 points by Hawthorn against Sydney in early 1993. The Hawks kicked 10.4 (64) to 0.7 (7) in the last quarter after both teams were 12.13 (85) at the final break.
4. Carlton in 1929 and 1954, Geelong in 1965 and North Melbourne in 2001 are the only teams since 1919 to have both the highest losing score and the lowest winning score of a season.
5. In 1952, Essendon lost two games in which they kicked the most goals of any team that round (versus Melbourne in Round 9 and Collingwood in Round 15). Only three other matches have both provided the two highest score of a round and been won with fewer goals:
   1. Essendon 7.20 (62) v Carlton 8.12 (60), Round 8, 1905
   2. South Melbourne 14.16 (100) v North Melbourne 15.9 (99), Round 15, 1951
   3. South Melbourne 14.9 (93) v Richmond 13.16 (94), Round 15, 1955
      • It’s amazing how:
        1. all five cases involve either Essendon or South Melbourne
        2. four of the five occurred in five years in the 1950s with no occurrence in 55 years since

 

[RogersResults]

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Round 20 – 2010 – Trivia:

1) 163 pts: Collingwood's greatest combined margin over Essendon in one season. Previous: 147 pts. 1971.

2) First time Carlton has scored 9 or more goals in the last quarter of consecutive matches.

3) Geelong's 8th win in all 4 quarters this season, their most in 1 season. Previous: 7 in 1989, 2007, 2008.

4) West Coast's 53rd loss from their last 75 matches, giving them their worst result from 75 consecutive matches.

5) Brisbane v Adelaide: Adelaide scored their 400th goal and 400th behind v Brisbane in this match. Brisbane scored their 400th behind v Adelaide.

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[Ron The Bear]

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Some trivia from the early years...

Ted Lockwood (Co) & Arthur Pincott (Ge) were opponents for the day in R6, 1903, with neither getting a kick for the entire match.

Following a goal umpire's decision to award a behind instead of a goal to Melbourne against South Melbourne, umpire (and former Collingwood player) Lardie Tulloch took matters into his own hands and restarted play by bouncing the ball in the centre as a personal protest at the decision in R11, 1906. Tulloch umpired the following year's Grand Final.

Nine Footscray players became lost on their way to the Brunswick ground for a VFA match in 1897. Despite the head trainer and eight supporters taking the field in their stead until the players arrived, Footscray won by 47 points.

Carlton players sported a Union Jack on the backs of their jumpers in the Queen's Birthday match against St.Kilda in R4, 1900.

Fitzroy winger George Holden took ten bounces in eluding six South Melbourne opponents, R7 1913.

Essendon winger Cyril Gove rode Menthe into third place in a hurdle at Moonee Valley shortly before being one of their best players against South Melbourne, R6 1915.

May 17, 1930 (R3) - Bob Johnson snr kicked the winning goal for Melbourne v Fitzroy; Les Johnson kicked the winning goal for Essendon v Richmond; Maurie Johnson kicked the winning goal for Carlton v Hawthorn.

Collingwood's Alan Ryan, when shooting from 35m after the final siren amidst hundreds of supporters who'd invaded the ground, nailed the goal to tie the match despite having to kick over a police horse which reared in front of him.

Baseball was played as a curtain-raiser to all VFL matches for many years until shortly after WW2.

In 1977, field umpires were paid $105 per match, boundary umpires $47, and goal umpires $33.

 

[Connor7395]

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Some trivia from the early years...

Ted Lockwood (Co) & Arthur Pincott (Ge) were opponents for the day in R6, 1903, with neither getting a kick for the entire match.

Following a goal umpire's decision to award a behind instead of a goal to Melbourne against South Melbourne, umpire (and former Collingwood player) Lardie Tulloch took matters into his own hands and restarted play by bouncing the ball in the centre as a personal protest at the decision in R11, 1906. Tulloch umpired the following year's Grand Final.

Nine Footscray players became lost on their way to the Brunswick ground for a VFA match in 1897. Despite the head trainer and eight supporters taking the field in their stead until the players arrived, Footscray won by 47 points.

Carlton players sported a Union Jack on the backs of their jumpers in the Queen's Birthday match against St.Kilda in R4, 1900.

Fitzroy winger George Holden took ten bounces in eluding six South Melbourne opponents, R7 1913.

Essendon winger Cyril Gove rode Menthe into third place in a hurdle at Moonee Valley shortly before being one of their best players against South Melbourne, R6 1915.

May 17, 1930 (R3) - Bob Johnson snr kicked the winning goal for Melbourne v Fitzroy; Les Johnson kicked the winning goal for Essendon v Richmond; Maurie Johnson kicked the winning goal for Carlton v Hawthorn.

Collingwood's Alan Ryan, when shooting from 35m after the final siren amidst hundreds of supporters who'd invaded the ground, nailed the goal to tie the match despite having to kick over a police horse which reared in front of him.

Baseball was played as a curtain-raiser to all VFL matches for many years until shortly after WW2.

In 1977, field umpires were paid $105 per match, boundary umpires $47, and goal umpires $33.

1. LOL AT THE JOHNSONS!
2. It was Collingwood's first draw that year, and the second draw also came from an after siren goal (The other player was Ron Baggott)

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Most goals against ladder leaders (based on ladder at the conclusion of the previous round):

Gl Player            Cb LPos Op Year Rd
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13 McKenna, Peter    Co  7th Es 1972 11
11 Todd, Ron         Co  2nd Ca 1938  5
11 Hodges, Scott     Ad  9th Ge 1992 23
11 Lockett, Tony     Sy  7th Br 1996  9
10 Pratt, Bob        Sy  4th Ca 1934  2
10 White, Lindsay    Ge  7th Ca 1947 19
10 Fordham, Ted      Es  5th Co 1966 14
10 McKenna, Peter    Co  3rd Me 1971  6
10 Davis, Allan      St  6th Co 1971  8
10 Modra, Tony       Ad  7th NM 1993  8
10 Lockett, Tony     Sy  5th NM 1996 11
10 Carey, Wayne      NM  2nd Es 1999 17
 9 Fanning, Fred     Me  6th Co 1947  5
 9 Hudson, Peter     Ha  8th Co 1970 14
 9 Richardson, Barry Ri  3rd Es 1972  3
 9 Lockett, Tony     St 11th Ha 1988 10
 9 Exell, Gavin      Ge  5th Ha 1989  6
 9 Dunstall, Jason   Ha  9th Co 1992  6
 9 Dunstall, Jason   Ha  6th Ge 1992 16
 9 Loewe, Stewart    St 11th Ge 1996  2

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Most career goals against ladder leaders:

Player             Gls Ma
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Lockett, Tony      102 18
Titus, Jack         84 24
Wade, Doug          81 22
Lee, Dick           78 27
Dunstall, Jason     73 23
Moriarty, Jack      67 17
Matthews, Leigh     67 29
Quinlan, Bernie     66 25
Mohr, Bill          61 20
Ablett, Gary        59 16
Templeton, Kelvin   59 16
McKenna, Peter      58 13
Harris, Dick D.     55 17
Hall, Barry         53 19
Noonan, Alan        53 19
Spencer, Jock       52 15
Jesaulenko, Alex    52 23
Beasley, Simon      49 16
Smith, Norm W.      49 19
Grant, Chris        49 29
Richardson, Matthew 48 17
Vallence, Harry     48 19
O'Loughlin, Michael 48 24
Richards, Lou       46 23

 

[mianfei]

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Interesting list. Most of the games will be very familiar, but I did nto expect it that McKenna would stand out do firmly.

People will remember the Wayne Carey game well, and Gavin Exell’s two-week honeymoon during which Geelong supporters saw 102 goals kicked in two successive games is another standout.

Lockett’s case against Brisbane I had never thought of. The Bears had come of age late in 1995, but I never realised they were on top via big wins over Footscray, Fitzroy and Hawthorn at that point. Yet, when they met Sydney, Lockett kicked eleven goals and the Swans won very easily.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Lockett’s case against Brisbane I had never thought of. The Bears had come of age late in 1995, but I never realised they were on top via big wins over Footscray, Fitzroy and Hawthorn at that point.

Yep I double-checked that one. Also Melbourne on top in 1971 and Essendon in '72.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Lowest ladder positions of eventual premiers (after completed rounds only):

Pos/Cbs Year Cb R
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14th/16 1999 NM 2
13th/15 1993 Es 3
13th/16 1997 Ad 6
13th/16 2007 Ge 1
12th/12 1945 Ca 3
12th/14 1990 Co 1
12th/16 1998 Ad 4
12th/16 2001 Br 4
12th/16 2005 Sy 6
11th/12 1941 Me 1
11th/12 1954 WB 2
11th/12 1975 NM 4
11th/12 1987 Ca 1
11th/15 1992 WC 5
10th/12 1937 Ge 1
10th/12 1939 Me 1
10th/12 1940 Me 1
10th/11 1943 Ri 1
10th/12 1961 Ha 1
10th/12 1968 Ca 3
10th/14 1989 Ha 1

 

[mianfei]

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Lowest ladder positions of eventual premiers (after completed rounds only):

Pos/Cbs Year Cb R
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13th/16 1997 Ad 6
12th/16 2005 Sy 6

Surprising, both of these. The Crows had lost narrowly to Collingwood in the seventh last game ever played at Victoria Park, but I had thought their healthy percentage would have kept them higher even with only two wins at that point.

 

[Falchoon]

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The only team Ben McEvoy has played in a losing side against is Essendon.

 

[Marklar_33]

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The only team Ben McEvoy has played in a losing side against is Essendon.

I love the fact that he took it into his own hands against Hawthorn to keep it that way

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Most team changes, with result & margin of both matches:

Ch Year Rd Cb Op R Mg1 R Mg2
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12 1911 15 St Ca L  38 L 114
11 1977 20 Me St L  62 W  71
10 1974 15 WB Co L  50 L   8
10 1995  3 St Ad L  26 L  66
 9 1898  5 Es Me W  75 W  25
 9 1943  2 Sy Me L  25 L  23
 9 1943  4 Co Ca L   8 W  27
 9 1949 16 Ri Es L  21 L  22
 9 1950 14 Sy St L  92 W  10
 9 1954  4 Sy Ri L  87 W   5
 9 1963  7 NM St L  22 L   8
 9 1972  2 Ge Ri L  12 L  86
 9 1979 19 WB Ri L  89 W  56
 9 1980 13 Sy WB L  63 L  17
 9 1981 15 NM Ha L  43 L  60
 9 1987 18 Co WB L  39 L  11
 9 1991  7 Fi NM L 157 L  44

 

[*Paul*]

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The only team Ben McEvoy has played in a losing side against is Essendon.

The record here is 31 games, by a chap called Con McCormack, who only lost v Fitz.

 

[RogersResults]

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Round 21 2010 – Trivia

1) Geelong's club record of matches won in all 4 quarters in a season extended to 9. (Which is now only 2nd to Brisbane's league record of 10 in 2002.)

2) Only the 3rd time Hawthorn has won both the 2nd and 3rd quarters in a match by 6 goals or more. Previous: 41 and 55 pts. round 20, 1992 v Essendon. 38 and 55 pts, round 3, 1982 v WB/Footscray.

3) First time Collingwood has played 11 matches without a loss since 1965.

4) St Kilda and Richmond has each won 49 of their last 100 matches against each other with 2 drawn. (Richmond won 53 of the prior 73.)

5) Brisbane's 14th consecutive match failing to score a century - a new club record.

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[Ron The Bear]

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Barring a career-best performance by Barry Hall next Saturday, Richmond is set to become the lowest-scoring team to produce a Coleman Medallist since the season was extended to 22 rounds in 1970.

Year Player            Go Cb PFor Ma
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2010 Riewoldt, Jack    75 Ri 1602 21
2006 Fevola, Brendan   84 Ca 1791 22
2007 Brown, Jonathan   77 Br 1986 22
1979 Templeton, Kelvin 91 WB 2015 22
1999 Cummings, Scott   88 WC 2068 22
1987 Lockett, Tony    117 St 2150 22
1997 Modra, Tony       81 Ad 2151 22
1996 Lockett, Tony    114 Sy 2152 22
2003 Lloyd, Matthew    87 Es 2190 22
2002 Neitz, David      75 Me 2243 22

Not since Doug Wade in the 18-match season of 1967 has there been a Coleman winner from a lower-scoring side (assuming Richmond score more than 23 points v Port ).

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Factor in Le Cras' performance for WC this year, and it's a strange looking goalkicking leaderboard at the top in 2010.

Two of the three from the bottom two teams. Surely this has to be a first?

 

[UpForGrabs]

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Tony McGuinness had 10 or more possessions in his first 121 matches.

Only 4 times during his 222-game career did he not have 10 possessions or more, meaning in only 1.8% of his games did he not get 10 touches. This figure is better than both Robert Harvey and Greg Williams.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Factor in Le Cras' performance for WC this year, and it's a strange looking goalkicking leaderboard at the top in 2010.

Two of the three from the bottom two teams. Surely this has to be a first?

1956 H&A season
Bill Young (St, 11th/12) 1st
Jock Spencer (NM, 12th/12) 3rd

Spencer was overtaken by three players during the finals.

Also happened in 1916, but there were only four clubs that year.