Stats observations

[Ron The Bear]

Re: First players to play against every team.

Heres a challenge, which player has played in the most team match ups. eg judd has played 15 different ones for the eagles and another 14 for carlton (he already played wce v carl at wce).

Im guessing a pike, flethcher kickett with early 50's

53 Pike, Martin
51 Fletcher, Adrian
51 Murphy, Justin
50 Osborne, Richard
49 Minton-Connell, Simon
47 Kickett, Dale
45 Athorn, Mark
45 Cummings, Scott
44 Molloy, Jarrod
43 Everitt, Peter
43 Heuskes, Adam
42 Brown, Leigh
42 Guerra, Brent
42 Hall, Barry
42 Jolly, Darren
42 Michael, Mal
42 Pickett, Byron
42 Powell, Stephen
42 Simmonds, Troy
42 Watters, Scott
42 Welsh, Scott
41 Beveridge, Luke
41 Caracella, Blake
41 Caven, Peter
41 Kappler, Darren
41 McCartney, Jason
41 Raines, Geoff
40 Bond, Chris

List does not differentiate between Brisbane Bears and Brisbane Lions.

 

[CROWS2011]

Re: First players to play against every team.

whats your source?

 

[Marklar_33]

Re: First players to play against every team.

whats your source?

Hello n00b

Ron The Bear is Ron The Bear's source...

 

[Ron The Bear]

Re: First players to play against every team.

whats your source?

Me? My database, compiled from the AFL stats pages, e.g.

http://stats.afl.com.au/public/stat...dValue=4&season_idIndex=94&AFLstatisticMenu=1

 

[Supermercado]

Re: First players to play against every team.

Love the suggestion that a list like that could have been made up out of nowhere.

 

[worbod]

Re: First players to play against every team.

Love the suggestion that a list like that could have been made up out of nowhere.

Why are you so surprised? Don't politicians do that on a regular basis?

 

[Supermercado]

Re: First players to play against every team.

Why are you so surprised? Don't politicians do that on a regular basis?

Of all the players somebody might randomly choose to create an invented list I'm not sure Peter Caven, Mark Athorn and Darren Kappler come straight to mind!

Could have done with some more Doc Wheildon and Laurence Schache.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Re: First players to play against every team.

Of all the players somebody might randomly choose to create an invented list I'm not sure Peter Caven, Mark Athorn and Darren Kappler come straight to mind!

Could have done with some more Doc Wheildon and Laurence Schache.

39 Tony Delaney
38 Scott Bamford
37 Clay Sampson
36 Marty McKinnon

Feel better?

 

[St Oxley]

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MARKS: 21 Matthew Richardson (Richmond)
vs Fitzroy, Round 21, 1996 and vs Hawthorn, Round 20, 2008

i love the fact that this is 12 years apart. great stat.

 

[Supermercado]

Re: First players to play against every team.

39 Tony Delaney
38 Scott Bamford
37 Clay Sampson
36 Marty McKinnon

Feel better?

Quality list. Surely Martin McGrath was 35.

 

[RogersResults]

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Reigning Premier Facts​

• Essendon has not beaten Collingwood after trailing at ¾ time since round 18, 1981.
• Sydney/SM has not beaten Collingwood in all 4 quarters since round 1 1959.
• Sydney/SM has not kept Collingwood to a score of under 50 points since round 10, 1918.
• West Coast has not scored 20 goals against Collingwood since round 17, 1991.
• Sydney/SM (round 7) and West Coast (round 2) have not beaten Collingwood on a Friday night since 1998.

More Here:

 

[worbod]

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Another challenge for someone who wants to compile a list. What are the most games played under one coach? Gordon Coventry played 306, his complete career total, under Jock McHale. Can any player top this?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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I've got Coventry down for 305 as McHale missed the 1930 GF through illness.

Gms Player               Cb Coach           Frst Last
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305 Coventry, Gordon     Co McHale, Jock    1920 1937
282 Hutchison, Bill      Es Reynolds, Dick  1942 1957
276 Fletcher, Dustin     Es Sheedy, Kevin   1993 2007
253 Hird, James          Es Sheedy, Kevin   1992 2007
252 Collier, Harry       Co McHale, Jock    1926 1940
247 Lucas, Scott         Es Sheedy, Kevin   1996 2007
247 Madden, Simon        Es Sheedy, Kevin   1981 1992
243 O'Donnell, Gary      Es Sheedy, Kevin   1987 1998
240 Scarlett, Matthew    Ge Thompson, Mark  2000 2010
239 Daniher, Terry       Es Sheedy, Kevin   1981 1992
238 Bewick, Darren       Es Sheedy, Kevin   1988 2000
238 Kyne, Phonse         Co McHale, Jock    1934 1949
237 Tredrea, Warren      PA Williams, Mark  1999 2010
236 Misiti, Joe          Es Sheedy, Kevin   1992 2004
233 Smith, Ross G.       St Jeans, Allan    1961 1975
232 Milburn, Darren      Ge Thompson, Mark  2000 2010
231 Bartlett, Kevin      Ri Hafey, Tom      1966 1976
231 Dixon, Brian         Me Smith, Norm W.  1954 1967
231 Lloyd, Matthew       Es Sheedy, Kevin   1995 2007
231 Neale, Kevin         St Jeans, Allan    1965 1976
230 Cornes, Chad         PA Williams, Mark  1999 2010
227 O'Bree, Shane        Co Malthouse, Mick 2000 2010
227 Watson, Tim          Es Sheedy, Kevin   1981 1994
226 Coventry senior, Syd Co McHale, Jock    1922 1934
225 Ling, Cameron        Ge Thompson, Mark  2000 2010
224 Blakey, John         NM Pagan, Denis    1993 2002
224 Salmon, Paul         Es Sheedy, Kevin   1983 2002
223 Black, Simon         Br Matthews, Leigh 1999 2008
220 McKenna, Guy         WC Malthouse, Mick 1990 1999

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Most goals under one coach

 Gls Gms Player              Cb Coach                Frst Last
--------------------------------------------------------------
1292 305 Coventry, Gordon    Co McHale, Jock         1920 1937
 829 231 Lloyd, Matthew      Es Sheedy, Kevin        1995 2007
 617 105 Hudson, Peter       Ha Kennedy, John J.     1967 1974
 559 184 Carey, Wayne        NM Pagan, Denis         1993 2001
 537  98 Coleman, John       Es Reynolds, Dick       1949 1954
 525 111 McKenna, Peter      Co Rose, Bob            1965 1971
 523 133 Titus, Jack         Ri Bentley, Percy       1934 1940
 520 224 Salmon, Paul        Es Sheedy, Kevin        1983 2002
 517 237 Tredrea, Warren     PA Williams, Mark       1999 2010
 515 115 Ablett senior, Gary Ge Blight, Malcolm      1989 1994
 502 170 Smith, Norm W.      Me Hughes senior, Frank 1935 1948
 492 282 Hutchison, Bill     Es Reynolds, Dick       1942 1957
 482  85 Dunstall, Jason     Ha Joyce, Alan          1988 1993
 482 190 Neitz, David        Me Daniher, Neale       1998 2007
 469 131 Sumich, Peter       WC Malthouse, Mick      1990 1997
 453 181 Pannam, Alby C.     Co McHale, Jock         1933 1945
 432 150 Hall, Barry         Sy Roos, Paul           2002 2009
 431 247 Lucas, Scott        Es Sheedy, Kevin        1996 2007
 431 114 Quinlan, Bernie     Fi Walls, Robert        1981 1985
 430 131 Lee, Dick           Co McHale, Jock         1912 1922
 428 104 Dunstall, Jason     Ha Jeans, Allan         1985 1990
 424 113 Beasley, Simon      WB Malthouse, Mick      1984 1989
 421 135 Kernahan, Stephen   Ca Parkin, David        1991 1997
 413  76 Pratt, Bob          Sy Bisset, Jack         1933 1936
 413  96 Wade, Doug          Ge Pianto, Peter        1966 1970

100+ goals under x coaches:
5 - Lockett, Richardson
4 - Ablett, Dunstall, Modra, Wade
3 - Grant, Kernahan, Matthews, Moncrieff, Peck, S.Rocca, Titus

Players kicking 100+ goals:
24 - Malthouse
21 - Parkin, Sheedy
20 - Hafey, Jeans
19 - Barassi
17 - Matthews, Smith
16 - McHale
15 - Bentley

 

[worbod]

Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats

Bravo sir. Like Forrest Gump, you went the extra mile.

 

[Marklar_33]

Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats

I've got Coventry down for 305 as McHale missed the 1930 GF through illness.

Who coached this match then...and was it their only match coaching? Surely would have been their only match coaching Collingwood so I'm going with the most successful coach in the clubs history

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Who coached this match then...and was it their only match coaching? Surely would have been their only match coaching Collingwood so I'm going with the most successful coach in the clubs history

Bob Rush, the club treasurer at the time. One of five brothers who had played for Collingwood, and for whom the R.T.Rush stand at Victoria Park was named. The match was played two days after his 50th birthday.

McHale apparently had a bad dose of 'flu, and his absence was blamed for Collingwood's lacklustre first half. Rush gave a spirited half time address and Collingwood responded with 8.6 to a point in the third quarter to set up the win. And yeah, it was his only game as coach.

I think Sheedy missed a game through illness in the 2000's, but insisted on being officially credited as coach for the match.

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Greatest difference between career goal average in winning and non-winning sides (min. 50 games):

Diff Player            Clubs    Wn WAvg L/D LDAv Gms  Gls
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3.55 Jakovich, Allen   Me,WB    26 5.69  28 2.14  54  208
2.67 Lockett, Tony     St,Sy   124 6.33 157 3.66 281 1360
2.40 Hudson, Peter     Ha       75 6.64  54 4.24 129  727
2.27 Goninon, George   Es,Ge    64 3.92  23 1.65  87  289
2.20 Coventry, Gordon  Co      220 4.86  86 2.66 306 1299
2.13 Dunstall, Jason   Ha      177 5.39  92 3.26 269 1254
2.04 Donohue, Larry    Ge       48 4.33  57 2.30 105  339
2.03 Davie, Harry      Me,Ca    39 3.87  19 1.84  58  186
2.02 Coleman, John     Es       67 6.12  31 4.10  98  537
1.95 Bennett, Peter J. St       24 4.00  79 2.05 103  258
1.92 Evans, Ron B.     Es       40 4.00  24 2.08  64  210
1.89 Taylor, Brian     Ri,Co    72 4.68  68 2.79 140  527
1.87 Sumich, Peter     WC      100 4.05  50 2.18 150  514
1.86 Metherell, Jack   Ge       44 4.00  21 2.14  65  221
1.85 McKenna, Peter    Co,Ca   123 5.24  68 3.38 191  874
1.83 White, Lindsay    Ge,Sy,Ge 52 4.96  90 3.13 142  540
1.83 Fanning, Fred     Me       52 4.87  52 3.04 104  411
1.81 Paez, Ron         Sy       18 2.17  34 0.35  52   51
1.81 Dummett, Bob      Ri       35 3.57  42 1.76  77  199
1.73 Longmire, John    NM      104 3.38  96 1.66 200  511

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Highest career goal averages in non-winning teams (min. 25 losses & draws):

AvgG Player              Clubs   L/D
------------------------------------
4.24 Hudson, Peter       Ha       54
4.10 Coleman, John       Es       31
3.66 Lockett, Tony       St,Sy   157
3.57 Mohr, Bill          St      101
3.54 Murray, Sel         NM,Ri,NM 81
3.50 Jackson, Mark       Me,St,Ge 60
3.46 Moriarty, Jack      Es,Fi    97
3.38 McKenna, Peter      Co,Ca    68
3.38 Pratt, Bob          Sy       61
3.32 Ablett senior, Gary Ha,Ge   103
3.27 Wade, Doug          Ge,NM   108
3.26 Dunstall, Jason     Ha       92
3.13 White, Lindsay      Ge,Sy,Ge 90
3.10 Modra, Tony         Ad,Fr    99
3.09 Margitich, George   Me       44
3.04 Fanning, Fred       Me       52
3.00 Beasley, Simon      WB       83
2.96 Templeton, Kelvin   WB,Me   113
2.94 Vallence, Harry     Ca       63
2.81 Spencer, Jock       NM       84

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Highest percentage of career Brownlow votes in non-winning teams (since 1984, min. 20 career votes):

%CBV Player             Clubs    CV LV Gms
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63.6 Bayes, Mark        Sy       22 14 246
61.1 Bain, David        Br,Fi    36 22  98
56.5 Wynd, Jim          Fi       23 13 137
48.7 McLean, Michael    WB,Br    39 19 183
47.6 Ashcroft, Marcus   Br       21 10 318
47.6 Coleman, Glenn     Fi,Sy,WB 21 10 194
46.2 Annear, John       Co,Ri,WC 26 12 166
45.7 Black, Heath       Fr,St,Fr 35 16 192
45.5 McDonald, James I. Me       22 10 251
45.0 Davey, Aaron       Me       20  9 139
44.4 Eagleton, Nathan   PA,WB    36 16 277
44.2 Scotland, Heath    Co,Ca    43 19 199
43.8 Moore, Peter       Co,Me    32 14 249
43.2 Stanton, Brent     Es       37 16 141
42.9 Kickett, Derek     NM,Es,Sy 28 12 152
42.9 McAdam, Gilbert    St,Br    21  9 111
42.3 Thompson, Andrew   St       26 11 221
41.7 Kelly, Paul        Sy      103 43 234
41.5 Bowden, Joel       Ri       41 17 265
41.4 Coughlan, Mark     Ri       29 12  92

 

[RogersResults]

Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats

I wonder what Gary Ablett Senior's goalkicking figures would be after he became more permanent at full-forward from 1989 on?

 

[RogersResults]

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1) In 1922 Carlton, Collingwood and Essendon all defeated Fitzroy, the eventual Premiers during the season. Collingwood did it twice. They all made the finals. However all three also lost once during the season to the eventual wooden-spooners, Sth Melbourne. South’s only other win for the year was against Geelong who finished 2nd last.

2) Seven teams – Adelaide, Collingwood, Brisbane, Geelong, Hawthorn, St Kilda, and the Western Bulldogs have defeated all other opponents at least once in the last three seasons. Geelong is undefeated against seven opponents while Melbourne has seven opponents that they have not defeated in the last three seasons.

3) Since 1987, the team with the highest percentage of their matches as ‘visitor’ to Kardinia Park has been West Coast.

4) Collingwood first lost more matches in a season than they won in 1940.

5) To the end of 2010, North Melbourne has won the highest percentage of matches against the teams that joined the League after 1986.

More details at my website.

 

[Ed_Gein]

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Anyone know how many times a team has won 3 qtrs yet didn't win the game has happened? I wonder if it happens a lot more regularly than i had once thought.

Was just looking at the Swans QF against the Bulldogs in 1997 where we managed to win every quarter after quarter time yet lose the game by 35 points thanks to a 9 goal to 0 start by the Bulldogs.

Is it possible to break down the stat in what the losing qtr was for the team that lost?

 

[RogersResults]

Re: Post 5 random (obscure) stats

Anyone know how many times a team has won 3 qtrs yet didn't win the game has happened? I wonder if it happens a lot more regularly than i had once thought.

Was just looking at the Swans QF against the Bulldogs in 1997 where we managed to win every quarter after quarter time yet lose the game by 35 points thanks to a 9 goal to 0 start by the Bulldogs.

Is it possible to break down the stat in what the losing qtr was for the team that lost?

Won first three quarters but lost the match - 80 occurrences - three in 2010. (One in 2009 - the Grand Final). More info:

Won last three quarters but lost match - 74. (Last R14, 2009 - Geelong v St Kilda.)

Won all but the 2nd quarter but lost match - 106. (Last R19 2010 - West Coast v Brisbane.

Won all but the 3rd quarter but lost match - 97. (Last R10 2009 - Fremantle v Richmond.

 

[Ed_Gein]

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Cheers mate. Some great info there. It has indeed happened more times than i had thought.