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[Ron The Bear]

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Of the five expansion teams;

Brisbane Bears debuted with 17 players who had previous VFL experience
Fremantle - 11
Port Adelaide - 11
Gold Coast - 9
West Coast - 5
Adelaide - 3

Did you include Danny Stanley in GC's figure?

Also:
University 13
Western Bulldogs 11
Richmond 9
Hawthorn 9
North Melbourne 4

 

[mianfei]

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Relating to

Gold Coast's 12 debutants will join the end of this one:

for biggest loss in first game of a 100-game player:

Mgn Player                   Cb Year Rd Op CMa
----------------------------------------------[I]
163 Daniher, Chris           Es 1987 17 [COLOR=Red]Sy[/COLOR] 124[/I]
[I]160 Calthorpe, David         Es 1992 20 [COLOR=Sienna]Ha[/COLOR] 114[/I][I]
127 Holland, Nick            [COLOR=Sienna]Ha[/COLOR] 1994  3 [COLOR=Blue]NM[/COLOR] 179
127 Tallis, Rayden           [COLOR=Sienna]Ha[/COLOR] 1994  3 [COLOR=Blue]NM[/COLOR] 163[/I][I]
122 Dal Santo, Nick          St 2002  4 [COLOR=Navy]Ge[/COLOR] 195*
121 Prescott, Ashley         Ri 1993 21 [COLOR=Navy]Me[/COLOR] 128
120 Waddington, John         [COLOR=Blue]NM[/COLOR] 1958  1 Fi 132[/I]

and for biggest loss by a player in his only game

Mgn Player                   Cb Year Rd Op CMa
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161 Heron, Wal               St 1899 17 [COLOR=Navy]Ge[/COLOR]   1
147 Heath, Trevor            Es 1971 14 Co   1
134 Osborne, Alan G.         St 1955  5 [COLOR=Red]SM[/COLOR]   1
129 Grant, Darren            [COLOR=Blue]Fo[/COLOR] 1982 18 [COLOR=Navy]Ca[/COLOR]   1
128 Gray, Sam                St 1901 17 Co   1
125 Ainslie, Brodie          St 1911 16 Es   1
125 Bray, Henry              St 1911 16 Es   1
125 McNamara, Henry          St 1911 16 Es   1
120 Hutchinson, Bret         [COLOR=Navy]Me[/COLOR] 1985 15 [COLOR=Blue]Fo[/COLOR]   1

I recall that one player from 1985 had an accident where they spilt battery acid from their car and had to miss the rest of the season. I am not sure what club it was from, but it could have been Hutchinson since I am sure it was a very inexperienced player and he had twelve disposals in that game so Melbourne would have had some reason to persist with him unless he was making way for an injured player’s return.

This begs several questions:

1. What is a full list of players losing by 100 points or more in every game they played in?
2. What is the biggest loss in the first game of a player playing 200 or more games?
3. It’s notable that the eight teams losing by more than 161 points had all lost their previous game except for Essendon against Sydney in 1987 (just an uncharacteristic and amazingly terrible performance as I can verify on DVD) yet four of the other seven had no new players - especially surprising with Melbourne in 1979 as their seconds were strong.
4. Do you think Wal Heron’s record will ever be broken? What about even Trevor Heath’s since 1900? I cannot see any of the Gold Coast players coming as close as 119 points!
5. What have been the biggest losses in the game of a one-game player since 1986?

 

[Ron The Bear]

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What is a full list of players losing by 100 points or more in every game they played in?

Player            Cb Year Rd Mgn Op
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Kennedy, Herb     St 1899 14 117 Ge
Heron, Wal        St 1899 17 161 Ge
Aurish, Ern       St 1901  9 107 Es
McGuinness, Paddy St 1901  9 107 Es
Gray, Sam         St 1901 17 128 Co
Brunning, L. Herb St 1902 12 128 Co
Kennedy, Bill F.  St 1902 12 128 Co
Bowtell, Alby     St 1911 15 114 Ca
Donnelly, Peter   St 1911 15 114 Ca
Hammond, Alf      St 1911 15 114 Ca
O'Pelt, Otto      St 1911 15 114 Ca
Soutar, Tom       St 1911 15 114 Ca
Ward, Bill H.     St 1911 15 114 Ca
Ainslie, Brodie   St 1911 16 125 Es
Bray, Henry       St 1911 16 125 Es
McNamara, Henry   St 1911 16 125 Es
Clarke, Ray       NM 1930  1 102 Ge
Whittle, Alvan    Ha 1944 12 107 Es
Osborne, Alan G.  St 1955  5 134 Sy
Brain, Peter      Sy 1961 18 103 Fi
Elliott, Morrie   Sy 1961 18 103 Fi
Heath, Trevor     Es 1971 14 147 Co
Grant, Darren     WB 1982 18 129 Ca
McAsey, Chris     St 1983 19 107 Ca
Keeble, Robert    St 1985  1 110 Sy
                  St 1985  2 140 Ca
Hutchinson, Bret  Me 1985 15 120 WB
Williams, John    Es 2008 22 108 St

Keeble is a unique case as the only player with this record to have played more than one game.

What is the biggest loss in the first game of a player playing 200 or more games?

Mn Player           Cb Year Rd Op CMa
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94 Murphy, John F.  Fi 1967  1 Ca 246
94 Ashcroft, Marcus Br 1989  9 NM 318
94 Clarke, David E. Ge 1971  1 St 211
91 Moore, Peter     Co 1974 21 NM 249
91 Crosisca, Gavin  Co 1987  1 Sy 246
91 Brown, Gavin     Co 1987  1 Sy 254
87 Wright, Stephen  Sy 1979  8 Co 246
87 Worsfold, John   WC 1987  4 Ca 209
86 Jarman, Darren   Ha 1991  1 Ad 230
86 Stafford, Greg   Sy 1993  4 Es 204
85 Osborne, Richard Fi 1982 15 Es 283
82 Schwass, Wayne   NM 1988  1 Es 282
81 Dempsey, Gary    WB 1967  1 St 329
79 Burgoyne, Peter  PA 1997  1 Co 240
79 Lade, Brendon    PA 1997  1 Co 234
75 Scott, Don W.    Ha 1967  5 Ri 302

Do you think Wal Heron’s record will ever be broken? What about even Trevor Heath’s since 1900? I cannot see any of the Gold Coast players coming as close as 119 points!

Who can say? Unlikely in the modern professional game as we know it, but unforeseen changes could precipitate new records.

What have been the biggest losses in the game of a one-game player since 1986?

Mgn Player          Cb Year Rd Op
---------------------------------
108 Williams, John  Es 2008 22 St
 95 Wirth, Derek    Br 1998 18 Me
 91 Brindley, Neil  Co 1987  1 Sy
 89 Hoppner, Trent  Ca 1998  7 PA
 87 Taylor, Scott   WB 1996  1 Br
 86 Sizer, Greg     Me 1986 22 Ca
 84 Slattery, Tyson Es 2010 14 Ad
 82 Hughes, Kevin   NM 1988  1 Es
 81 Delaney, Roger  Fi 1990  1 Es
 71 Hosking, Scott  Ge 1986 15 Co
 71 Gladman, Rodney St 1987 14 Ge
 66 Matthews, Dean  St 1995  3 Ad
 65 Lamb, Clayton   Ad 1991  5 WC
 61 Bennett, Scott  WC 2000  7 Me

 

[RogersResults]

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Round 2 - 2011

1) St Kilda 2010-11 becomes only the third team to draw 2 and lose 2 matches in 4 consecutive matches.

2) Richmond has won 8, lost 13 and drawn 1 of their last 22 first quarters.
.......St Kilda has won 9, lost 12 and drawn 1 of their last 22 first quarters.

3)West Coast's 4th win from their last 32 'on the road'.

4) Geelong's 17th win from their last 20 outside of Victoria.

5) The first time Essendon scored 13.15-93 v Sydney/SM was round 18 1962. Essendon won by 5 points.

6) Richmond v St Kilda - the first draw played on April Fools' Day.

More Here:

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Hawthorn today became the first side since 2004, and the second since 1997, to score more than 25 behinds in a game.

 

[Marklar_33]

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What is the biggest loss in the first game of a player playing 200 or more games?

Nick Dal Santo is on track to top this list in Round 8

 

[Marklar_33]

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Hawthorn today became the first side since 2004, and the second since 1997, to score more than 25 behinds in a game.

Out of curiousity, how many times has that happened overall, and the 8.11 in the 3rd quarter would be nowhere near a record for either, but what would be most behinds and scoring shots for a quarter?

If memory serves me, South Melbourne had 22 shots in a massive last quarter c. 1919 (17.5 vs St Kilda). As for behinds, I'm tipping Hawthorn again to feature in their match of 25.41...

 

[Ron The Bear]

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Out of curiousity, how many times has that happened overall, and the 8.11 in the 3rd quarter would be nowhere near a record for either, but what would be most behinds and scoring shots for a quarter?

127 times from 13779 matches (once every 108 games). Only happened once in the first 1592 games to 1918.

Most behinds in a quarter:

G.Be Cb Year Rd Q Venue             Op R
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7.16 WB 1929  6 3 Whitten Oval      Ha W
6.16 Co 1970  6 3 Arden Street Oval NM W
3.15 Ca 1948  4 1 Princes Park      WB L
6.14 WB 1948 16 2 Whitten Oval      Ge W
6.14 Ge 1984 21 1 Skilled Stadium   Ri W
4.14 Sy 1944 13 3 Junction Oval     Ge W
3.14 Es 1935 15 1 Windy Hill        WB W
3.14 WB 1958  6 3 Whitten Oval      Ge L
3.14 St 1976 10 4 Moorabbin Oval    Sy L
2.14 Ri 1928 16 2 Whitten Oval      WB W
2.14 NM 1973  5 1 Arden Street Oval Co L
1.14 Ca 1980  7 4 Princes Park      Ha L

Also: 26 x 13, 48 x 12, 116 x 11

Most scores in a quarter:

Sc Gl.Be Cb Year Rd Q Venue                    Op R
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23  7.16 WB 1929  6 3 Whitten Oval             Ha W
22  6.16 Co 1970  6 3 Arden Street Oval        NM W
21 17.4  Sy 1919 12 4 Lakeside Oval            St W
21  9.12 Es 1958 13 4 Windy Hill               St W
21 10.11 Ge 1966  9 4 Skilled Stadium          Fi W
21 11.10 Ha 1991 21 3 Princes Park             Fi W
20  8.12 Co 1939  2 1 Lakeside Oval            WB W
20 12.8  Ri 1942  2 4 Punt Road Oval           Me W
20  7.13 Ha 1948  4 2 Glenferrie Oval          NM W
20  6.14 WB 1948 16 2 Whitten Oval             Ge W
20 10.10 Fi 1961 18 4 Brunswick Street Oval    Sy W
20  7.13 Co 1976 17 3 Skilled Stadium          Ge L
20  6.14 Ge 1984 21 1 Skilled Stadium          Ri W
20 13.7  Sy 1987 17 4 Sydney Cricket Ground    Es W
20 10.10 Ge 1989 SF 4 Melbourne Cricket Ground Me W
20  9.11 Ad 1992 23 2 AAMI Stadium             Ge W
20 11.9  Sy 1995  5 4 Sydney Cricket Ground    Ad W

Also: 19 x 19, 53 x 18

 

[RogersResults]

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Out of curiousity, how many times has that happened overall, and the 8.11 in the 3rd quarter would be nowhere near a record for either, but what would be most behinds and scoring shots for a quarter?

If memory serves me, South Melbourne had 22 shots in a massive last quarter c. 1919 (17.5 vs St Kilda). As for behinds, I'm tipping Hawthorn again to feature in their match of 25.41...

Table showing how many times each team has scored 25 or more behinds.
(Scroll down)

Most scoring shots for a quarter: 23
Third quarter round 6, 1929 at the Western Experimental Wind Tunnel Facility.
WB/Footscray 7.16-58 v Hawthorn 0.0-0

16 behinds is the most in one quarter shared by Collingwood - third quarter round 6 1970 at Arden St. Oval - 6.16-52 v Nth Melbourne 1.0-6

Highest score in a quarter Sydney/SM 17-4-106 v St Kilda 0.0-0 last quarter round 12, 1919. (Some of the St Kilda players walked off in disgust before the match finished.)

Hawthorn's 41 behinds is the world record - 6 ahead of Geelong 22.35-167 round 16 1981 v Melbourne 12.7-89

(Notification of the 'Ron the Bear's' post arrived just as I posted this - hope some of the extra information is worthwhile.)

 

[RogersResults]

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1) North Melbourne (1977-79) and West Coast (2005-07) are the only teams to win their first 5 matches in 3 consecutive seasons,

2) Geelong 2008-2009 and Melbourne 1955-1956 are the only teams to win their first 8 matches in consecutive seasons.

3) Melbourne has the most number of seasons where they won the first 8 matches: 5 - 1928,1937,1955,1956,1965

4) The most teams with 2 wins after 2 rounds was 7 in 1995.

5) The longest Port Adelaide and Fremantle have gone before their first loss in a season has been 3 rounds.

Full Tables Here

 

[Ron The Bear]

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(Notification of the 'Ron the Bear's' post arrived just as I posted this - hope some of the extra information is worthwhile.)

Heheh, I should've left this one for the scores guru to answer.

 

[RogersResults]

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Heheh, I should've left this one for the scores guru to answer.

No worries - the answers complemented each other.

 

[Roobs321]

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One of my personal favourites(that i think i discovered) is that Melbourne & Richmond have NOT played in the same finals series since 1941. So that is 68 seasons including this year that they have not both made the finals.
For the record, they also have only played off in 2 finals, both in 1940 including the decider. That is in 101 seasons since the tigers inception. 2 finals. Rivalry

This one is still going funnily enough, and with both still holding developing lists and a mere draw from the opening 2 rounds, looks set to hit 70 seasons this year. Staggering.

Also, my other favourite stat of the last few years is still running;

Fremantle, since their inception in 1995, have never finished above the Sydney Swans. If it occurs again in 2011, thats 17 seasons.

 

[RogersResults]

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This one is still going funnily enough, and with both still holding developing lists and a mere draw from the opening 2 rounds, looks set to hit 70 seasons this year. Staggering.

Also, my other favourite stat of the last few years is still running;

Fremantle, since their inception in 1995, have never finished above the Sydney Swans. If it occurs again in 2011, thats 17 seasons.

For those interested there's some more information at these links.

Finals combinations.

How many times topped on the ladder

 

[Connor7395]

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it’s not only that: In their first clash of the year, played in a hurricane force wind on anzac day at princes park, the score-line was:

[color="navy"]carlton    0-6 (6)    0-7 (7)    1-10 (16)    1-11 (17)[/color]
essendon   0-1 (1)    0-5 (5)    3-6 (24)     7-8 (50)

that is, essendon won by five and a half goals with only three more scoring shots, in conditions that the players thought were worse than even the wettest days of easter and early august 1965, even though it was a very warm 23.3˚c and extremely dry from the drought of 1967. That year, melbourne had only 332 millimetres (half the 1885 to 1996 average), robinvale only 76 millimetres (a record low for victoria) and yunta on the barrier highway only 51. In fact, the dryness of the ground made goals harder to get because there was no mud to nullify the effect of the gale force wind across the ground and make it easier to provide force to kick the ball upwind. At half time - when the scoreboard showed the first goalless first half since 1899 - people were betting on whether a goal would be kicked at all! It was the ten-minute mark of the third quarter when ken fraser finally put the ball through the big sticks, and observers were surprised at how easily essendon kicked their seven goals in the second half against one at the 23 minute mark of the third quarter by little-known forward peter smith for carlton.

dayum!

 

[Supermercado]

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This one is still going funnily enough, and with both still holding developing lists and a mere draw from the opening 2 rounds, looks set to hit 70 seasons this year. Staggering.

They had their chance in R22, 1998!

 

[RogersResults]

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Over the Border


Since a team has been established in States other than Victoria, of current teams to the end of 2010:

1) Port Adelaide has played a lower percentage of their matches in Victoria than any other team.
2) Adelaide has played a lower percentage of their matches in NSW than any other team.
3) Collingwood has played a lower percentage of their matches in WA than any other team.
4) Fremantle has played a lower percentage of their matches in QLD than any other team.
5) St Kilda has played a lower percentage of their matches in SA than any other team.


Full tables here:

 

[Supermercado]

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In R9, 1980 Richmond beat Melbourne by the following scores;

Seniors - 195 to 102
Reserves - 198 to 87
Under 19's - 145 to 79
http://wiki.fcmelbourne.com.au/Round+9+1980

For a total of 538 to 268 over the three games.

Has any other club ever lost all three grades by such a massive combined margin?

 

[*Paul*]

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I posted last year's "times tables" earlier in this thread, here's how they're going this year.

Team               Tot        GM   Ave           Lead      Level     Behind
Adelaide           124m 7s    1    124m 7s       42m 6s    5m 14s    76m 47s
Brisbane Lions     248m 56s   2    124m 28s      116m 1s   10m 36s   122m 19s
Carlton            247m 32s   2    123m 46s      197m 55s  5m 14s    44m 23s
Collingwood        252m 29s   2    126m 14s      243m 43s  7m 24s    1m 22s
Essendon           247m 9s    2    123m 34s      180m 59s  5m 4s     61m 6s
Fremantle          249m 33s   2    124m 46s      21m 38s   15m 49s   212m 6s
Geelong            240m 39s   2    120m 19s      114m 33s  19m 36s   106m 30s
Gold Coast         125m 47s   1    125m 47s      0m 0s     0m 46s    125m 1s
Hawthorn           249m 39s   2    124m 49s      149m 54s  9m 55s    89m 50s
Melbourne          246m 38s   2    123m 19s      53m 42s   8m 35s    184m 21s
North Melbourne    249m 55s   2    124m 57s      34m 46s   2m 15s    212m 54s
Port Adelaide      259m 0s    2    129m 30s      1m 22s    6m 9s     251m 29s
Richmond           248m 50s   2    124m 25s      104m 45s  14m 52s   129m 13s
St Kilda           248m 20s   2    124m 10s      156m 24s  23m 36s   68m 20s
Sydney             248m 11s   2    124m 5s       137m 25s  7m 6s     103m 40s
West Coast         256m 26s   2    128m 13s      220m 40s  1m 0s     34m 46s
Western Bulldogs   238m 51s   2    119m 25s      142m 1s   3m 3s     93m 47s

 

[RogersResults]

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I posted last year's "times tables" earlier in this thread, here's how they're going this year.

These are great. Would be a good feature to add to 2011 Season Scores and Results pages at AFL Tables. Perhaps ranked in order of time ahead?

Could be one of the most valuable guides to form just from figures.

I hope the data you source to compile this makes it a not too tedious task!

I wonder if the brains trust at the Suns are analysing those 46 seconds where they matched it with with Carlton?

 

[RogersResults]

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Biggest Win/Loss of the Round

1) Since 1997 the team to have suffered the greatest number of biggest losses of the round in one season is West Coast with 9 in 2001.

2) The lowest greatest winning margin of the round in an 12 team competition was 12 points, round 4 1926. The other margins were, 11,8,5 (twice) and 2 . points.

3) The lowest greatest winning margin of the round in an 16 team competition was 26 points, round 2 2005. The other margins were, 23,22,14,6,4,2 points and 1 point.

4) Eventual winners of the 'wooden spoon' have had the biggest win of the round on 31 occasions. Those that did it more than once in a season were: Essendon 1907 (3), Richmond 1917 (2), Sydney/SM 1922 (2), Nth Melbourne 1956 (2), Geelong 1957 (2), Sydney/SM 1973 (2), St Kilda 1983 (2).

5) Only 2 Premiers have failed to record at least 1 biggest win of the round - Richmond in 1934 and Hawthorn in 1961.

More Here

 

[worbod]

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MOST SUCCESSIVE SEASONS RESULTING IN DIFFERENT PREMIERS


Seniors: 6
1963-68 Geelong, Melbourne, Essendon, St. Kilda, Richmond, Carlton
2003-08 Brisbane Lions, Port Adelaide, Sydney, West Coast, Geelong, Hawthorn

Reserves: 9
1943-51 St. Kilda, Fitzroy, Footscray, Richmond, North Melbourne, Geelong, Melbourne, Essendon, Carlton

Under 19s: 8
1951-58 Carlton, Essendon, Melbourne, Footscray, Fitzroy, South Melbourne, St. Kilda, Richmond
1953-60 Melbourne, Footscray, Fitzroy, South Melbourne, St. Kilda, Richmond, Essendon, Collingwood

Night: 9
1970-83 Footscray, Melbourne, Hawthorn, Fitzroy, Collingwood, North Melbourne, Essendon, Sydney, Carlton
(This timeframe includes the period from 1972 to 1976 where no night competition was held)

McClelland Trophy: 7
1992-98 Geelong, Essendon, West Coast, Carlton, Sydney, St. Kilda, North Melbourne

 

[*Paul*]

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These are great. Would be a good feature to add to 2011 Season Scores and Results pages at AFL Tables. Perhaps ranked in order of time ahead?

Good idea, shouldn't be too hard since I've already done most of the heavy lifting.

 

[worbod]

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Occasions when one side has beaten another 4 times in one season:


Season Team/s . . . . . . . . . Avge winning margin
1902 . Essendon d Melbourne . . 18.75
1903 . Fitzroy d Geelong . . . .33.0
1905 . Fitzroy d Essendon . . . 26.5
1916 . Carlton d Richmond . . . 27.2 (5 wins)
1917 . Collingwood d Fitzroy . .27.5
1956 . Melbourne d Collingwood .30.0
1971 . Hawthorn d St. Kilda . . 22.5
1974 . North Melb d Hawthorn . .23.0
1974 . Richmond d North Melb . .28.0
1976 . Hawthorn d North Melb . .20.0
1985 . Essendon d Hawthorn . . .42.0

 

[jonesy86]

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In the modern era what is the longest winning streak any one player has had over one team? (I know Collingwood had a streak of 20+ wins over Hawthorn from memory in the '20s and '30s)

Luke Ball has never lost a game against Carlton.

Currently has a 12-0 record against them.