Stats observations

[RogersResults]

Round 23 – 2011

Collingwood's 8th win by 10 goals or more this year - their most in one season. Previous: 7 in 2010.

First time Hawthorn has defeated WB/Footscray in all 4 quarters since round 14, 2003.

The 6th time that Sydney/SM has been the team to break the longest winning streak at a venue.

St Kilda scored their 13,000th point v Nth Melbourne.

After 21 matches, West Coast has their 3rd best result - better than after 21 matches in any of their Premiership years.

5th time this year that Adelaide has led at 1/4 and 1/2 time and lost the match - their most in one season.

Gold Coast has conceded 2,620 points - the equal 15th most with Sydney/SM in 1991, after 21 matches.

First time Port Adelaide has failed to win more matches than they lost from 200 consecutive matches.


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[Roobs321]

Continuing droughts;

Richmond and Melbourne NOT featuring in the same finals series - 70 seasons (1942-2011)

Fremantle has never finished above Sydney on the ladder(post-finals) - 17 seasons (1995-2011)

Both are phenomenal stats.

 

[RogersResults]

Continuing droughts;

Richmond and Melbourne NOT featuring in the same finals series - 70 seasons (1942-2011)

Fremantle has never finished above Sydney on the ladder(post-finals) - 17 seasons (1995-2011)

Both are phenomenal stats.

And Richmond and Melbourne last met in a final in the 1940 Grand Final.

All finals pairings are here (Plus all gaps of 25 years or more.)

• By 1993 after 7 seasons in the competition West Coast had topped all other teams on the final ladder in consecutive years.
• Fremantle after 16 seasons (1995-2010) in the competition,didn't top 5 teams - Adelaide, Geelong, Port Adelaide, Sydney/SM, and West Coast, in successive years.(They'll check off the South Australians this year.)

How many times each team has topped each of the other teams on the completed ladder.

 

[Catsace]

Harry Taylor suffered his first defeat at Kardinia Park last week, and mentioned that it was the first time he hasn't sung the club song at home in his time at the club. Think he's played now 80-something games.

Has any other player taken longer in terms of career games to endure a first defeat at a home ground? Maybe some Pies players of the 20's-30's or Dees of the 50's could match that, but it's some record to play almost 4 complete seasons before enduring their first home defeat.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Harry Taylor suffered his first defeat at Kardinia Park last week, and mentioned that it was the first time he hasn't sung the club song at home in his time at the club. Think he's played now 80-something games.

Has any other player taken longer in terms of career games to endure a first defeat at a home ground? Maybe some Pies players of the 20's-30's or Dees of the 50's could match that, but it's some record to play almost 4 complete seasons before enduring their first home defeat.

Most matches at one ground before first defeat, with record at venue and year/round of sequence ending + days between first match at ground and first defeat:

Ma Player            Cb Record Year Rd CMa Days Venue
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52 Laidlaw, Clyde    Me 50-1-1 1960 16  99 2289 MCG
27 Taylor, Harry     Ge 26-1-0 2011 23  86 1238 Skilled Stadium
26 Lord, John F.     Me 25-1-0 1960 16  49 1204 MCG
26 Jones, Dennis     Me 24-1-1 1960 18  55 1512 MCG
24 Hall, Tony        Ha 23-1-0 1992 12  66 1521 Waverley Park
20 Clifton, Jeff     Co 19-1-0 1971 21  51  812 Victoria Park
20 Dorotich, Jon     Ca 19-1-0 1989  1  66 1092 Princes Park
20 Wright, Graham    Co 18-1-1 1991  9  65 1134 Victoria Park
19 Johnson, Tassie   Me 17-1-1 1960 16  35  469 MCG
18 Mann, Hassa       Me 16-1-1 1960 16  33  455 MCG
19 Wearmouth, Ronnie Co 17-1-1 1973 20  48 1155 Victoria Park
19 Barnard, Paul     Es 18-1-0 2002 11 127  821 Etihad Stadium
18 Rowarth, Alan     Me 16-1-1 1960 18  40  840 MCG
18 Walsh, Brian T.   Ca 17-1-0 1974  3  43 1477 Princes Park
18 Henneman, Aaron   Es 17-1-0 2004  2  42 1414 Etihad Stadium
18 Jones, Brett      WC 17-1-0 2006  6  34  721 Patersons Stadium

Career games doesn't really work as a measure in cases where clubs have changed home grounds mid-career, as with Paul Barnard above. For the record, using a filter of minimum 15 games at a ground before the first defeat, the list of most career games is:

CMa Player          Cb Year Rd   Record  Venue
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161 Hird, James     Es 2002 16 16-14-1-1 Etihad Stadium
149 Hart, Royce     Ri 1975  3 15-13-1-1 Waverley Park
127 Barnard, Paul   Es 2002 11 19-18-1-0 Etihad Stadium
104 Smith, Ross G.  St 1967  3 16-15-1-0 Moorabbin Oval
 99 Laidlaw, Clyde  Me 1960 16 52-50-1-1 MCG
 86 Taylor, Harry   Ge 2011 23 27-26-1-0 Skilled Stadium
 66 Dorotich, Jon   Ca 1989  1 20-19-1-0 Princes Park
 66 Hall, Tony      Ha 1992 12 24-23-1-0 Waverley Park
 65 Wright, Graham  Co 1991  9 20-18-1-1 Victoria Park
 56 Dullard, Adrian Me 1946 GF 16-15-1-0 MCG
 55 Jones, Dennis   Me 1960 18 26-24-1-1 MCG
 51 Clifton, Jeff   Co 1971 21 20-19-1-0 Victoria Park
 50 Gleeson, Adrian Ca 1989  1 17-16-1-0 Princes Park

Longest time between first match and first loss at a ground is a completely different kettle of fish:

Days Player          Cb Year Rd   Record Venue
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5557 Madden, Justin  Ca 1996 SF  4-3-1-0 Gabba
5439 Regan, Jack     Co 1946  6  9-8-1-0 Whitten Oval
5418 Tuddenham, Des  Co 1977  2  9-8-1-0 Arden Street Oval
4739 Watson, Tim     Es 1994 13  2-1-1-0 Gabba
4683 Kyne, Phonse    Co 1947 12  8-6-1-1 Brunswick Street Oval
4662 Shea, Keith     Ha 1945  5  6-5-1-0 Glenferrie Oval
4494 Hickey, Reg     Ge 1939 18  8-7-1-0 Arden Street Oval
4466 Baquie, Jack    Me 1919 11  3-2-1-0 Lakeside Oval
4466 Barassi, Ron D. Ca 1967 14  9-8-1-0 Arden Street Oval
4396 Nash, Laurie    Sy 1945 18 10-9-1-0 Junction Oval

 

[Catsace]

Thanks for that Ron, some amazing numbers there. Laidlaw is i think the longest games played footballer to have the best win percentage (minimum 100 games i think), although Varcoe, Taylor and a couple of other Cats are starting to get close.

Astonishing with Laidlaw, to have played 52 games at the MCG and on only one occasion in that period did the Dees fail to procure premiership points. I'm guessing he may have missed a game here and there which could have been losses, but Harry and Geelong would need to remain unbeaten as Skilled for another 4 seasons to challenge that record.

Tigers (as you'd fondly recall Ron) absolutely LOVED Waverley, their record there was fantastic. Even in lesser seasons like 1983 and 1985, the Tigers knocked over Geelong at that confounded venue. Illuminating in 1980 that Geelong played the Tigers three times that season, for two losses at Waverley and a win at the 'G'.

And yes, quite a few Dees and Pies in that group, along with some Blues who were very hard to beat at Princes Park for most of the 70's and 80's.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Thanks for that Ron, some amazing numbers there. Laidlaw is i think the longest games played footballer to have the best win percentage (minimum 100 games i think), although Varcoe, Taylor and a couple of other Cats are starting to get close.

Astonishing with Laidlaw, to have played 52 games at the MCG and on only one occasion in that period did the Dees fail to procure premiership points. I'm guessing he may have missed a game here and there which could have been losses, but Harry and Geelong would need to remain unbeaten as Skilled for another 4 seasons to challenge that record.

Tigers (as you'd fondly recall Ron) absolutely LOVED Waverley, their record there was fantastic. Even in lesser seasons like 1983 and 1985, the Tigers knocked over Geelong at that confounded venue. Illuminating in 1980 that Geelong played the Tigers three times that season, for two losses at Waverley and a win at the 'G'.

And yes, quite a few Dees and Pies in that group, along with some Blues who were very hard to beat at Princes Park for most of the 70's and 80's.

Reckon Laidlaw's record, apart from the greater number of games, has more credibility as it was compiled against all comers, whereas Geelong's home game opponents are now more or less hand-picked.

Waverley suited good teams. To the end of 1984, Richmond had the best record there, winning 73%. After that, our win rate was 25% - worst in the comp excluding Port (1 win from 5).

Those three 1980 matches were very hard-fought. Was surprised and a little relieved to hear, coming off the 18th green at Royal & Ancient Ringwood, that Collingwood had prevailed narrowly in the Prelim.

 

[RogersResults]

Reckon Laidlaw's record, apart from the greater number of games, has more credibility as it was compiled against all comers, whereas Geelong's home game opponents are now more or less hand-picked.

"Laidlaw trained solidly last night, without apparent worry from a pulled thigh muscle , but he failed to convince selectors he was fit enough to see out a rugged grand final."

Age 19 Sept. 1958.

Little did the Melbourne selectors known that they left out their Mr. Unbeatable on the MCG.

 

[Marklar_33]

"Laidlaw trained solidly last night, without apparent worry from a pulled thigh muscle , but he failed to convince selectors he was fit enough to see out a rugged grand final."

Age 19 Sept. 1958.

Little did the Melbourne selectors known that they left out their Mr. Unbeatable on the MCG.

And for that we give thanks every evening

 

[RogersResults]

Round 24 2011


Geelong v Collingwood: 96 pts: The biggest defeat ever inflicted by the 2nd team on the ladder on the 1st team on the ladder.

Half of Collingwood's all-time 8 biggest losses have been coached by Mick Malthouse.

Geelong's win was the 44th win by 10 goals or more this season, equalling the most in one season - 44 from 185 matches in 1996.

Only the 4th match that Hawthorn has won by only winning the 3rd quarter.

First time Fremantle has ended a season with 7 consecutive losses.

Sydney/SM's 15th finals series since 1981. (22 finals series 1897-1981)

First time St Kilda has beaten Carlton after trailing at 1/4 and 1/2 time since round 11, 1973.

St Kilda goes into the finals with the worst record against the other 2011 finalists. (West Coast the 2nd worst.)

Adelaide's half time score is one of 16 with 2 goals and no behinds and only the second occurrence since 1927.

First match played for AFL premiership points at the Adelaide Oval and Port Adelaide's highest home attendance (29,314) against a team from another state this year.

Nth Melbourne's 3 last scores v Richmond have been 15.14-104, 14.19-103, 15.13-103.


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[RogersResults]

Season Summaries and New Scoring/Margin Records for 2011 - Non Finalists


Nth Melbourne recorded their record high season-combined-margin over the Power.

The Bulldogs recorded their highest ever season average winning margin.

Fremantle managed a new club record of 6 consecutive losses trailing at each break.

Richmond remains the only team to have an opponent they have not scored a century against, this century.

Melbourne added a win, a loss and a score against to their top 20 list in each category.

Adelaide added 3 losing margins to their list of 20 biggest losses.

Brisbane set their new club record of consecutive matches without scoring a century.

Port Adelaide chalked up their worst results from 10, 25, 50, 75, 100 and 200 consecutive matches

Gold Coast had an average attendance almost exactly double Brisbane’s average attendance in their first season.

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Best and Worst results from 1-22 First Round (Home & Away) Matches

Geelong’s narrow win over Collingwood in Round 8 kept the Magpies from taking top spot on the tables of the best results from 14 to 20 matches.


Geelong’s defeat of the Magpies in Round 24, maintained Geelong’s lead of the table of each team’s best result from 22 matches.


Collingwood 2011, however did take top spot (by percentage) on the table of best result from 21 matches.


Meanwhile Adelaide and Port Adelaide in particular have had their status of having the least worst results from 1-22 matches eroded.


Gold Coast’s ‘worst’ result from their first 22 matches sees them ahead of 7 other teams on the ‘worst 22’ table.


Full Tables Here.

 

[Catsace]

Would it be a fair bet that the Pie's percentage (falling from 181 to 167) would be the biggest drop of any side in the last round of any season....at least since that whipping Sth Melb dished out to St.Kilda i think in 1919...190 to 19?

 

[Ron The Bear]

Would it be a fair bet that the Pie's percentage (falling from 181 to 167) would be the biggest drop of any side in the last round of any season....at least since that whipping Sth Melb dished out to St.Kilda i think in 1919...190 to 19?

Biggest final round percentage drops:

%Drop Year Cb Rd %After %Befor
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27.74 1898 Es 14 202.14 229.87
14.09 2011 Co 24 167.66 181.75
13.72 1900 Ge 14 143.66 157.38
13.32 1933 Ge 18 130.37 143.69
12.90 1897 Es 14 159.01 171.91
12.64 1905 Co 14 167.05 179.69
11.55 1899 Es 14 140.19 151.73
10.64 1906 Es 14 132.27 142.91
10.20 1898 Sy 14  89.59  99.79
 8.21 1919 Sy 18 158.71 166.92

 

[Catsace]

Biggest final round percentage drops:

%Drop Year Cb Rd %After %Befor
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27.74 1898 Es 14 202.14 229.87
14.09 2011 Co 24 167.66 181.75
13.72 1900 Ge 14 143.66 157.38
13.32 1933 Ge 18 130.37 143.69
12.90 1897 Es 14 159.01 171.91
12.64 1905 Co 14 167.05 179.69
11.55 1899 Es 14 140.19 151.73
10.64 1906 Es 14 132.27 142.91
10.20 1898 Sy 14  89.59  99.79
 8.21 1919 Sy 18 158.71 166.92

Bombers of 1898 must have had a (non-Grand final) hangover from the 1st season!

Thanks for that stat, yeah certainly the biggest in modern times, all those other examples preceding W.W.2.

With generally higher scores and more rounds now than in times pre 1967 the denominator in that equation is usually higher, thus that Pie example of 2011 will likely remain the highest modern such example for many a long year.

 

[Marklar_33]

Bombers of 1898 must have had a (non-Grand final) hangover from the 1st season!

Thanks for that stat, yeah certainly the biggest in modern times, all those other examples preceding W.W.2.

With generally higher scores and more rounds now than in times pre 1967 the denominator in that equation is usually higher, thus that Pie example of 2011 will likely remain the highest modern such example for many a long year.

I agree. Its hard to see a side gaining that kind of huge percentage to be able to lose that much again!

 

[Ron The Bear]

With generally higher scores and more rounds now than in times pre 1967 the denominator in that equation is usually higher, thus that Pie example of 2011 will likely remain the highest modern such example for many a long year.

Yeah, percentage becomes less volatile with increasing 'points against'.

 

[RogersResults]

2011 Finals Round 1

• Only the second time that two teams going into the finals with 7 or more consecutive wins (Hawthorn (8)and West Coast (7)) have both lost their first final.
• Hawthorn’s last 3 finals losses have been by 31, 30 and 33 points.
• Collingwood and Geelong both recorded their least first quarter scoring shots for the year.
• Collingwood’s win sees them swap 11th and 12th places with West Coast on the table of percentage of finals matches won from finals matches played.
• Only the 2nd time under the current finals system (2000-11) that 7th has beaten 6th in the Elimination final.
• Carlton and Essendon have now won 10 finals against each other. In combined scores, Essendon leads by 120 points.
• Carlton's 18th goal was the 26,000th conceded by Essendon.
• Sydney/SM's last behind scored in their match was their 28,000th.

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[Ron The Bear]

With Hall, Fevola and Bradshaw falling by the wayside, there are currently no active 500-goal players for the first time since 1978, when Kevin Bartlett began the year on 462.

 

[Dom PC]

Would it be a fair bet that the Pie's percentage (falling from 181 to 167) would be the biggest drop of any side in the last round of any season....at least since that whipping Sth Melb dished out to St.Kilda i think in 1919...190 to 19?

Well thats impressive you remember that lol. Was it free public transport on the way home from the ground ?

 

[The Passenger]

in regards to that percantage drop question a few posts back.

is it generally considered more correct to do the percantage drop as a percantage of the original % rather than just +/- the percantage from one week to next??

i.e. that would make a drop from 100 to 90 worse than a drop from 200 to 185....

 

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Kicking the Sweep – Highest Score of the Round.

The longest any team has gone without kicking the sweep is 258 rounds by Nth Melbourne from round 5, 1927 to round 10, 1941

The longest any team has gone without conceding the highest score of the round is 213 rounds by Sydney/SM from round 1 2000 to round 15 2009,

Kicking Lowest Score of the Round.

From round 15 1990 to round 2 1998 on no occasion did Geelong kick the lowest score of the round - a League record 162 consecutive rounds.

The longest streak of not holding an opponent to the lowest score of the round belongs to WB/Footscray - 202 rounds - Round 5 2000 to Round 2 2009.

Biggest Win/Loss of the Round.

· The most consecutive rounds without having the biggest win of the round is 231 by Nth Melbourne from round 5 1927 to round 1 1940.

The most consecutive rounds without having the biggest loss of the round is 230 by Melbourne from round 5 1953 to round 8 1965.

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[RogersResults]

in regards to that percantage drop question a few posts back.

is it generally considered more correct to do the percantage drop as a percantage of the original % rather than just +/- the percantage from one week to next??

i.e. that would make a drop from 100 to 90 worse than a drop from 200 to 185....

Good point.
Percentage changes between rounds have no official status or rule for calculation. The media to my knowledge has always just referred to the simple arithmetic change - deducting one from another. (Working out the percentage change between two percentages would be beyond the scope of most journalists. )

Looking at the percentage difference instead of just the numeric difference would be interesting. For example:

Collingwood 181.7 to 167.7 is a percentage difference of -8.035%
Sydney/SM 1964's 75.2 to 68.0 is a percentage difference of -9.574%

 

[Doss]

Have mentioned this before, but not in this thread. With the retirement of Barry Hall, assuming Dustin Fletcher plays on next year (which is very likely) he'll be the last player left in the AFL to have:

1) Played against Fitzroy
2) Played against the Bulldogs when they were still known as Footscray. In fact, Fletcher already is the last player left on AFL lists to have played against the Bulldogs when they were known as Footscray.

Brent Harvey did debut in 1996 but he didn't play against Fitzroy or Footscray.

I believe a couple others around today (Darren Milburn being one) were on AFL lists prior to 1997, but none except Fletcher had made their debut in the seniors. Milburn made his senior debut in 1997..

 

[Ron The Bear]

Updated "most watched player" figures:

Attendance Player
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16,832,416 Fletcher, Dustin
13,948,510 Bartlett, Kevin
13,497,476 Bradley, Craig
13,387,209 Lloyd, Matthew
13,040,805 Lucas, Scott
12,861,129 Burns, Scott
12,825,876 Buckley, Nathan
12,405,895 Harvey, Robert
12,291,008 Williams, Paul
12,252,698 Hird, James

Current players:

Attendance Player
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16,832,416 Fletcher, Dustin
12,023,573 Davis, Leon
11,901,142 Johnson, Ben
11,414,366 Tarrant, Chris
11,068,505 Didak, Alan
10,789,130 Fraser, Josh
10,784,428 McVeigh, Mark
10,358,237 Milburn, Darren
10,111,110 Ottens, Brad
10,106,690 Harvey, Brent