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An amazing parallel spoilt by Collingwood getting that last point or goal in the 1977 Grand Final:
Code: 
September 3, 1927, Princes Park
[COLOR="Navy"]Carlton        3-2 (20)     3-4 (22)     3-6 (24)      4-6 (30)[/COLOR]
Richmond       1-1 (7)      1-3 (9)      2-4 (16)      3-5 (23)

June 17, 1989, Windy Hill
Essendon       2-0 (12)     5-2 (32)     5-6 (36)      7-8 (50)
[COLOR="Red"]Sydney         5-6 (36)     5-8 (38)     5-10 (40)     7-13 (55)[/COLOR]
These are the only matches since 1919 where the winning team has failed to goal in the second and third quarters. There were 21 such matches from 1897 to 1918.
Code: 
October 1, 1927, MCG
Collingwood    0-1 (1)      2-6 (18)     2-9 (21)      2-13 (25)
Richmond       0-4 (4)      0-4 (4)      0-7 (7)       1-7 (13)

June 18, 1977, Princes Park
[COLOR="Navy"]Carlton        1-4 (10)     1-7 (13)     3-11 (29)     3-13 (31)
Geelong        0-3 (3)      0-4 (4)      0-6 (6)       2-12 (24)[/COLOR]

June 24, 1989, Windy Hill
Essendon       2-2 (14)     3-2 (20)     3-7 (25)      3-10 (28)
[COLOR="Blue"]Footscray      1-2 (8)      2-2 (14)     2-2 (14)      3-5 (23)[/COLOR]
As any person with knowledge of VFL/AFL history should know, these are the only matches since 1919 (in fact, since 1912) where both teams scored three or fewer goals. Although there were 31 such games from 1897 to 1911, it is to be expected that these three later occurrences attract much more attention when VFL/AFL history is written because scores were so much higher - an average of about 48 points from 1897 to 1911 versus 74 in 1927, 99 in 1977 and 94 (really more due to the weather) in 1989.

What is amazing is that the games of both pairs occurred in 1927 and 1989. North Melbourne in the drawn 1977 Grand Final did not goal in the second and third quarter. Had the Kangaroos got up late in the 1997 Grand Final, it would have been a double for the three years of 1927, 1977 and 1989, which logically is quite amazing.
 
Round 1 Trivia

Most Round 1 games:

Code: 
Ma Player              Clubs   Career CGms
------------------------------------------
20 Harvey, Robert      St    1988-2008 383
19 Whitten senior, Ted WB    1951-1970 321
17 Titus, Jack         Ri    1926-1943 294
17 Dyer senior, Jack   Ri    1931-1949 312
17 Reynolds, Dick      Es    1933-1951 320
17 Murray, Kevin       Fi    1955-1974 333
17 Bartlett, Kevin     Ri    1965-1983 403
17 Doull, Bruce        Ca    1969-1986 356
17 Hawkins, Doug       WB,Fi 1978-1995 350

Most Round 1 goals:

Code: 
Ma Player              Clubs   Career  Ma CGls
----------------------------------------------
69 Dunstall, Jason     Ha    1985-1998 13 1254
68 Coventry, Gordon    Co    1920-1937 16 1299
67 Titus, Jack         Ri    1926-1943 17  970
62 Lockett, Tony       St,Sy 1983-2002 14 1360
53 McKenna, Peter      Co,Ca 1965-1977 11  874
50 Richardson, Matthew Ri    1993-2009 15  800
49 Wade, Doug          Ge,NM 1961-1975 13 1057
48 Lloyd, Matthew      Es    1995-2009 11  926

Highest goal average in Round 1 (min. 2 games):

Code: 
AvgG Player          Club(s)    Career  Go Ma CGls
--------------------------------------------------
8.60 Coleman, John   Es       1949-1954 43  5  537
7.00 Page, Charlie   WB       1938-1941 14  2  113
6.29 Hudson, Peter   Ha       1967-1977 44  7  727
5.86 Modra, Tony     Ad,Fr    1992-2001 41  7  588
5.67 Murray, Sel     NM,NM    1937-1948 17  3  461
5.50 Ralph, Warren   Ca       1984-1986 11  2   72
5.50 Good, Kerry     NM       1977-1983 11  2  150
5.31 Dunstall, Jason Ha       1985-1998 69 13 1254
5.00 Reynolds, Tom   Es,St    1937-1945 30  6  369
5.00 Beasley, Simon  WB       1982-1989 30  6  575
5.00 Jackson, Mark   Me,St,Ge 1981-1986 30  6  308
5.00 Capper, Warwick Sy,Br    1983-1991 25  5  388

Geelong's Lou Daily kicked 10 goals in his only Round 1 match, v St.Kilda in 1934.

Most career games without a Round 1 game:

Code: 
Ma Player            Club(s)    Career
---------------------------------------
91 Bryce, Paul       NM,Me,Sy 1987-1993
83 McGovern, Andrew  Sy,Fr    1992-1998
71 Mathieson, Jim    Ge       1920-1924
60 Robertson, Graeme Ca,Ri    1974-1981
59 Jackson, Stevan   WC,Ri    1989-1993
54 Barry, Ron        Sy       1946-1950
53 Baker, Ian        St,Ri    1976-1980
53*de Boer, Matt     Fr       2009-2011
50 Brannan, Andy     Ri,Ha    1942-1946
50 MacPherson, Rod   WB,Br    1982-1987

Most career goals without a Round 1 goal:

Code: 
Gls Player           Club(s)    Career
---------------------------------------
101*Podsiadly, James Ge       2010-2011
 98 Jackson, Stevan  WC,Ri    1989-1993
 92 McAdam, Adrian   NM       1993-1995
 68 Brannan, Andy    Ri,Ha    1942-1946
 68 Collins, Darren  Co,WB,Fi 1985-1990
 54 Arthur, Alan     Es       1928-1930
 54 Cross, Max       WB       1956-1957

119 players have played their first and last match in Round 1, the most recent being Sydney's Byron Sumner (still listed) in 2011. Prior to that it was Carlton's Ben Thompson in 1999.

87 players scored their only career goal or goals in Round 1, most recently Port's Adam Cockshell in 2007.
 
RogersResults said:
I take it that these figures don't include a club's first game of the season when that game was other than round 1 because of a bye?
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Correct.

If basing the numbers on the player's club's first game of the season, the changes are:

Added to most games table:

Code: 
Ma Player              Clubs   Career CGms
------------------------------------------
17 Madden, Simon       Es    1974-1992 378

Added to highest goal average table (with Capper dropping out):

Code: 
AvgG Player          Club(s)    Career  Go Ma CGls
--------------------------------------------------
5.00 Primmer, Wayne  Es       1977-1979 10  2   74

Bryce, McGovern, Mathieson and Jackson come out of the most career games table, leaving Graeme Robertson on top.

Jackson and McAdam come out of the most career goals table.
 

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Most career goals without a Round 1 goal:
101*Podsiadly, James Ge 2010-2011
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Excellent stuff. I wonder if anyone besides the few that come to this thread are aware of Podsiadly's record? Apparently he may not be quite right to play by round one this year and so have a chance to really consolidate it! :)
 
Upon looking up past Pies stats, I found an interesting one.

Albert Lauder who played from 1926-1931 only played 36 matches, winning 32 of them. However he somehow managed to score three premierships, averaging a premiership every 12 games...

Is that a record for a triple premiership player?
 
Pie 4 Life said:
Upon looking up past Pies stats, I found an interesting one.

Albert Lauder who played from 1926-1931 only played 36 matches, winning 32 of them. However he somehow managed to score three premierships, averaging a premiership every 12 games...

Is that a record for a triple premiership player?
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Code: 
Gms Player             P Club(s)    Career  Premierships
----------------------------------------------------------
 36 Lauder, Albert     3 Co       1926-1931 1928,1929,1930
 52 Anderson, Syd L.   3 Me       1939-1941 1939,1940,1941
 60 Beck, Les          3 Ca       1906-1909 1906,1907,1908
 60 Jinks, Fred        3 Ca       1906-1909 1906,1907,1908
 82 O'Keefe, Jack      3 Me,Ha,Sy 1939-1947 1939,1940,1941
 82 Chandler, Neil     3 Ca,St    1968-1974 1968,1970,1972
 83 Leehane, Ted       3 Es       1942-1950 1942,1949,1950
 90 Johnson, George    3 Ca       1905-1909 1906,1907,1908
 90 McClure, Bob       3 Es       1946-1951 1946,1949,1950
 91 Clarke, Harry J.   3 Fi       1898-1904 1898,1899,1904
 92 Emselle, Richie    3 Me       1937-1943 1939,1940,1941
 93 Thorogood, Ian     3 Me       1957-1962 1957,1959,1960
 99 Lambert, Harold L. 3 Es       1940-1951 1946,1949,1950
 99 Marquis, Peter     3 Me       1953-1958 1955,1956,1957
102 Caine, Frank       3 Ca,Es    1905-1914 1907,1908,1912
 
  1. Since 1919, the most teams goalless at half time has been five in 1953 and 1956
  2. The last season where more than one team was goalless at three-quarter time was 1927
  3. The last season where more than two teams were goalless at three-quarter time was 1902
  4. Geelong have been goalless at half-time only three times since 1920, and in two of those they kicked ten goals in the second half (beating Hawthorn in 1964; losing to St. Kilda in 1922)
 
mianfei said:
  1. Since 1919, the most teams goalless at half time has been five in 1953 and 1956
  2. The last season where more than one team was goalless at three-quarter time was 1927
  3. The last season where more than two teams were goalless at three-quarter time was 1902
  4. Geelong have been goalless at half-time only three times since 1920, and in two of those they kicked ten goals in the second half (beating Hawthorn in 1964; losing to St. Kilda in 1922)
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All other teams that have competed from 1920 and from 1925 have been goalless at half-time on 5 or more occasions.

Collingwood and Melbourne 5 times each.
Nth. Melbourne, Richmond and Sydney/SM 10 times each.
 
Most goals before turning 16:

Code: 
G Player          M Club(s)    Career
--------------------------------------
8 Watson, Tim     9 Es       1977-1994
7 Maguire, Mick   5 Ri,Me,Co 1910-1918
4 Bromage, Keith  2 Co,Fi    1953-1961
4 Collier, Albert 4 Co,Fi    1925-1942
2 Eicke, Wels     4 St,NM    1909-1926

17

Code: 
Go Player          Ma Club(s)    Career
----------------------------------------
29 Maguire, Mick   21 Ri,Me,Co 1910-1918
26 Bromage, Keith  17 Co,Fi    1953-1961
24 Watson, Tim     29 Es       1977-1994
18 Madden, Simon    6 Es       1974-1992
17 Collier, Albert 14 Co,Fi    1925-1942

18

Code: 
Go Player          Ma Club(s)    Career
----------------------------------------
62 Fothergill, Des 27 Co       1937-1947
61 Maguire, Mick   38 Ri,Me,Co 1910-1918
55 Madden, Simon   25 Es       1974-1992
53 Watson, Tim     49 Es       1977-1994
51 Grant, Chris    20 WB       1990-2007

19

Code: 
Gls Player          Ma Club(s) Career
--------------------------------------
111 Fothergill, Des 45 Co    1937-1947
 96 Lockett, Tony   32 St,Sy 1983-2002
 83 Madden, Simon   45 Es    1974-1992
 82 Lee, Dick       29 Co    1906-1922
 82 Watson, Tim     72 Es    1977-1994

20

Code: 
Gls Player            Ma Club(s) Career
----------------------------------------
182 Fothergill, Des   66 Co    1937-1947
175 Lockett, Tony     53 St,Sy 1983-2002
136 Lee, Dick         46 Co    1906-1922
136 Templeton, Kelvin 49 WB,Me 1974-1985
134 Pratt, Bob        49 Sy    1930-1946

21

Code: 
Gls Player          Ma Club(s) Career
--------------------------------------
235 Lockett, Tony   71 St,Sy 1983-2002
232 Pratt, Bob      65 Sy    1930-1946
219 Longmire, John  70 NM    1988-1999
200 Fothergill, Des 72 Co    1937-1947
194 Lee, Dick       65 Co    1906-1922

22

Code: 
Gls Player            Ma Club(s) Career
----------------------------------------
373 Pratt, Bob        83 Sy    1930-1946
352 Lockett, Tony     93 St,Sy 1983-2002
294 Templeton, Kelvin 79 WB,Me 1974-1985
283 Longmire, John    90 NM    1988-1999
273 Lloyd, Matthew    87 Es    1995-2009

23

Code: 
Gls Player            Gms Club(s) Career
-----------------------------------------
488 Pratt, Bob        104 Sy    1930-1946
387 Lockett, Tony     101 St,Sy 1983-2002
385 Templeton, Kelvin 101 WB,Me 1974-1985
367 Lloyd, Matthew    109 Es    1995-2009
358 Longmire, John    110 NM    1988-1999

24

Code: 
Gls Player            Gms Club(s) Career
-----------------------------------------
551 Pratt, Bob        124 Sy    1930-1946
471 Lloyd, Matthew    130 Es    1995-2009
465 Lockett, Tony     112 St,Sy 1983-2002
460 Templeton, Kelvin 123 WB,Me 1974-1985
436 Longmire, John    133 NM    1988-1999

25

Code: 
Gls Player         Gms Club(s) Career
--------------------------------------
575 Pratt, Bob     134 Sy    1930-1946
530 Lockett, Tony  124 St,Sy 1983-2002
519 McKenna, Peter 110 Co,Ca 1965-1977
515 Lloyd, Matthew 146 Es    1995-2009
495 Coleman, John   92 Es    1949-1954

26

Code: 
Gls Player         Gms Club(s) Career
--------------------------------------
657 Lockett, Tony  141 St,Sy 1983-2002
638 McKenna, Peter 130 Co,Ca 1965-1977
612 Lloyd, Matthew 168 Es    1995-2009
607 Pratt, Bob     141 Sy    1930-1946
598 Hudson, Peter  101 Ha    1967-1977

27

Code: 
Gls Player          Gms Club(s) Career
--------------------------------------
789 Lockett, Tony   163 St,Sy 1983-2002
739 McKenna, Peter  150 Co,Ca 1965-1977
695 Lloyd, Matthew  190 Es    1995-2009
675 Pratt, Bob      156 Sy    1930-1946
617 Dunstall, Jason 139 Ha    1985-1998

28

Code: 
Gls Player          Gms Club(s) Career
---------------------------------------
842 Lockett, Tony   173 St,Sy 1983-2002
795 McKenna, Peter  167 Co,Ca 1965-1977
766 Lloyd, Matthew  211 Es    1995-2009
763 Dunstall, Jason 165 Ha    1985-1998
679 Pratt, Bob      157 Sy    1930-1946

29

Code: 
Gls Player           Gms Club(s) Career
----------------------------------------
898 Lockett, Tony    183 St,Sy 1983-2002
885 Dunstall, Jason  185 Ha    1985-1998
838 McKenna, Peter   180 Co,Ca 1965-1977
778 Lloyd, Matthew   215 Es    1995-2009
704 Coventry, Gordon 177 Co    1920-1937

30

Code: 
Gls Player            Gms Club(s) Career
-----------------------------------------
1008 Lockett, Tony    202 St,Sy 1983-2002
 992 Dunstall, Jason  203 Ha    1985-1998
 839 Lloyd, Matthew   234 Es    1995-2009
 838 McKenna, Peter   180 Co,Ca 1965-1977
 784 Coventry, Gordon 198 Co    1920-1937

Most goals after turning 30:

Code: 
Gls Player              Gms Club(s) Career
-------------------------------------------
516 Ablett senior, Gary 102 Ha,Ge 1982-1996
515 Coventry, Gordon    108 Co    1920-1937
425 Quinlan, Bernie     115 WB,Fi 1969-1986
397 Titus, Jack         107 Ri    1926-1943
372 Bartlett, Kevin     156 Ri    1965-1983
 

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Some Melbourne parallels from last year.

When Dean Bailey was sacked last year, he was replaced by Todd Viney who had played 233 games for Melbourne which was also the coach killing score kicked by Geelong against Melbourne.

Melbourne's score of 47 equalled the time in years since Melbourne last won a flag.

In Todd Viney's 233 games, he kicked 92 goals.
Dean Bailey was delisted by Essendon in 1992.

Tom Scully played 31 games in the No. 31 guernsey.

Dean Bailey played 53 games for Essendon, 53 - 31 = 22.
Melbourne's Best and Fairest last year was No. 22 Brent Moloney.

Dean Bailey made his VFL/AFL debut in 1986.
Geelong killed Dean Bailey's Melbourne coaching career in a 186 pointer.

Going back to Todd Viney's career re 233 games and 92 goals, the difference between the two numbers is 141, Neil Craig (Mark Neeld's right hand man) first experienced a 100 point loss in Round 17 2004 when it was Adelaide vs Brisbane.

Brisbane won that game by 141 points.

Another parellel with Brent Moloney's No. 22.

Tom Scully, who wore No. 31 with Melbourne now takes the No. 9 guernsey at GWS and as we all know from prep and Grade one, 31 - 9 = 22.
 
RedmanWasHere said:
Some Melbourne parallels from last year.

When Dean Bailey was sacked last year, he was replaced by Todd Viney who had played 233 games for Melbourne which was also the coach killing score kicked by Geelong against Melbourne.

Melbourne's score of 47 equalled the time in years since Melbourne last won a flag.

In Todd Viney's 233 games, he kicked 92 goals.
Dean Bailey was delisted by Essendon in 1992.

Tom Scully played 31 games in the No. 31 guernsey.

Dean Bailey played 53 games for Essendon, 53 - 31 = 22.
Melbourne's Best and Fairest last year was No. 22 Brent Moloney.

Dean Bailey made his VFL/AFL debut in 1986.
Geelong killed Dean Bailey's Melbourne coaching career in a 186 pointer.

Going back to Todd Viney's career re 233 games and 92 goals, the difference between the two numbers is 141, Neil Craig (Mark Neeld's right hand man) first experienced a 100 point loss in Round 17 2004 when it was Adelaide vs Brisbane.

Brisbane won that game by 141 points.

Another parellel with Brent Moloney's No. 22.

Tom Scully, who wore No. 31 with Melbourne now takes the No. 9 guernsey at GWS and as we all know from prep and Grade one, 31 - 9 = 22.
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R19 2011 Geelong v Melbourne was played on 30 July - 30/7
30 the difference in goals, 7 Melbourne's goals, 30+7 Geelong's goals.

The attendance was 22 7 1 6, 22 Brent Moloney's number again, 7 Melbourne's goal tally again, 1 Melbourne's goal tally at half-time, 6 the difference in behinds between the two teams. Melbourne also scored 6.1 after half-time.

(See what you've started :)).
 
RogersResults said:
R19 2011 Geelong v Melbourne was played on 30 July - 30/7
30 the difference in goals, 7 Melbourne's goals, 30+7 Geelong's goals.

The attendance was 22 7 1 6, 22 Brent Moloney's number again, 7 Melbourne's goal tally again, 1 Melbourne's goal tally at half-time, 6 the difference in behinds between the two teams. Melbourne also scored 6.1 after half-time.

(See what you've started :)).
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Just rolling up some snowballs for everyone to hold.

Another one that's come to mind.

Neil Craig's last game as Coach occurred in Round 18.

Adelaide's score was 3 6 24.

3 x 6 = 18.

Back to Brent Moloney that day, he was cursed from the moment he crossed the boundary.
 
RogersResults said:
Geelong's 777th League match was played in July 1941 v Collingwood,

7+7+7 = 21

Geelong scored 7 goals and Collingwood (2x7) 14 = 21

Collingwood also scored 7.7 after half time and won the
last quarter by 7 points.
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July = 7th month of the year.

Geelong has 7 letters.
 

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Moving on from 7 - what do you imagine was Collingwood's score in their 420th game in the League?

Round 3 1920 v Melbourne at Victoria Park Collingwood's score at half-time was 2.10.

Could they do it?

Final Score:
Collingwood 4.20 v Melbourne 3.5

Played in round 3, Collingwood tripled Melbourne's scoring shots 24 v 8 and as a result of the win moved into 3rd place on the ladder.

Collingwood led by 7 points at 1/4 time but tripled that to 21 points at the end of the game.

Collingwood's scoring shots each quarter were 9,3,9,3.

Collingwood's last goal of the match was their 417th v Melbourne. (3 short).

Everything is ruled by numbers.:)
 
Richmond v St.Kilda

meeting #51 - Richmond 7.9.51
meeting #63 - St.Kilda 9.9.63
meeting #68 - Richmond 9.14.68
meeting #83 - Richmond 11.17.83
meeting #86 - St.Kilda 11.20.86
meeting #88 - St.Kilda 13.10.88
meeting #135 - Richmond 20.15.135
meeting #137 - St.Kilda 21.11.137
 
Ron The Bear said:
Richmond v St.Kilda

meeting #51 - Richmond 7.9.51
meeting #63 - St.Kilda 9.9.63
meeting #68 - Richmond 9.14.68
meeting #82 - Richmond 11.17.83
meeting #86 - St.Kilda 11.20.86
meeting #88 - St.Kilda 13.10.88
meeting #135 - Richmond 20.15.135
meeting #137 - St.Kilda 21.11.137
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Were those numbers stalking you?

Bloody hell man. :D

Numbers/statistics are like our shadows, they follow us everywhere.
 
In his 6th game for Fremantle, and the 6th of his career against Sydney, Tony Modra, wearing the number 6 guernsey, took 6 marks and kicked 6 goals in Round 6, 1999.
 

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