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red+black said:
North 183 d GWS 54

=2nd most disposals by any side (505)
2nd most handballs by any side (294)
4th most handballs by both sides (455)
=4th highest winning margin for North
7th most disposals by both sides (855)
=11th highest score for North

GWS kicked 2.4 across 3 quarters but managed 6.2 in the 3rd. It could have been worse for them.
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North Melbourne's score of 28 15 183 is their best since 28 19 187 Round 22 2003 vs Carlton.

North Melbourne's margin of 129 points is their highest since the corresponding round in 1996 vs Fitzroy when they won by 131 points.
 
RedmanWasHere said:
North Melbourne's margin of 129 points is their highest since the corresponding round in 1996 vs Fitzroy when they won by 131 points.
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That match was against Footscray actually, not the Roys. It's "immortalised" in that classic documentary "Year of the Dogs."

North had 15 goalkickers today, is that a club record?
 
Bluish said:
That match was against Footscray actually, not the Roys. It's "immortalised" in that classic documentary "Year of the Dogs."

North had 15 goalkickers today, is that a club record?
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My bad.

North Melbourne's disposal tally of 505 possessions easily a personal best for the club and Ryan Bastinac's 44 possessions is now the most by a player in one game by a player born in 1991.
 

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red+black said:
Hmm, depends how you look at it. It is true that not one of the 9 teams won in both Rounds 7 and 8 in 1922, but Essendon did win in Rounds 6 and 7, then had a bye in Round 8. I assume you counted the bye as a break in the win streak.

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1922.html#6
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Got me there. Query was pretty rough and dirty and didn't take byes into account as I was hoping to avoid the ~40 minutes it's just taken to answer this question definitively. :)

The full and complete list of occasions when no team has won two in a row, at the completion of a round, is:

Code: 
Year Rd    Date   Clubs
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1902  1  3/05/1902   8
1907  1 27/04/1907   8
1909 GF  2/10/1909  10
1913  1 26/04/1913  10
1914 GF 26/09/1914  10
1916  1  6/05/1916   4
1917  1 12/05/1917   6
1917 SF  8/09/1917   6
1917 GF 22/09/1917   6
1924 RR 27/09/1924   9
1929 GF 28/09/1929  12
1942  1  9/05/1942  11
1943 PF 18/09/1943  11
1948 GF  9/10/1948  12
1962  1 23/04/1962  12
1981  1 28/03/1981  12
2005  1 28/03/2005  16


However if we take partially-completed rounds into account, no team at the completion of play on the following days had consecutive wins on the board ('1948 GF' referring to the drawn match):

Code: 
Year Rd    Date   Clubs
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1917 SF  1/09/1917   6
1921  5  4/06/1921   9
1948 GF  2/10/1948  12
1949  1 16/04/1949  12
1962  1 21/04/1962  12
2005  1 26/03/2005  16
2005  1 27/03/2005  16
2005  2  1/04/2005  16
 
Most goals in each round (SR = sectional rounds, RR = round robin finals):

Code: 
Rd  G Player           Ma Next best
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 1 69 Dunstall, Jason  13 68 Coventry
 2 68 Coventry, Gordon 16 61 Titus
 3 76 Coventry, Gordon 15 57 Lloyd
 4 70 Lockett, Tony    12 54 Dunstall
 5 82 Coventry, Gordon 17 61 Dunstall
 6 74 Coventry, Gordon 16 56 Titus
 7 97 Lockett, Tony    15 67 Coventry
 8 68 Coventry, Gordon 16 62 Lockett
 9 66 Lockett, Tony    11 65 Ablett
10 76 Lockett, Tony    12 55 Ablett
11 72 Coventry, Gordon 15 56 Lockett
12 75 Coventry, Gordon 16 52 Mohr
13 77 Coventry, Gordon 13 70 Lockett
14 70 Coventry, Gordon 15 55 Wade
15 64 Lockett, Tony    14 60 Wade, Rocca
16 61 Dunstall, Jason  10 58 Wade
17 68 Coventry, Gordon 15 59 Lockett
18 71 Lockett, Tony    14 56 Coventry, Wade
19 56 Lockett, Tony    13 54 Dunstall
20 54 Lockett, Tony    12 46 McKenna, Kernahan
21 66 Lockett, Tony    13 62 Dunstall
22 83 Dunstall, Jason  13 62 Dunstall
23 13 Lockett, Tony     2 11 Hodges
24 22 Brownless, Billy  3 17 Longmire
SR 45 Grace, Mick      23 29 Leith
RR 8 Johnson, Ted E.    3
   8 Hayes, Doug        2
EF 14 Dunstall, Jason   3
   14 Lockett, Tony     2
QF 31 Carey, Wayne      7 25 Matthews
SF 49 Titus, Jack      13 46 Coventry
PF 30 Coventry, Gordon  6 23 Todd
GF 35 Coventry, Gordon 10 25 Brereton
 
This is a comparison between some of the game's best performed full forwards which looks at their four best seasons in terms of goal average, taking into account only the seasons in which a player has kicked 50 goals or more. I was originally thinking of making it their five best seasons, but for John Coleman, he basically only had five full seasons before his injury, and Peter Hudson only had six full seasons, and I wasn't sure about incorporating the large majority of a player's career. So I made a decision on what I thought made for interesting reading, but still hopefully looks at a generous enough slice of many players' careers.


Player . . . . .Four best seasons . . Games Goals Avge
Tony Lockett . .1991, 1989, 1992, 1995 69 . 447 . 6.47
Peter Hudson . .1970, 1968, 1969, 1971 84 . 541 . 6.44
Peter McKenna . 1970, 1972, 1971, 1969 83 . 505 . 6.08
Bob Pratt . . . 1934, 1933, 1935, 1939 73 . 434 . 5.94
Jason Dunstall .1992, 1993, 1989, 1988 91 . 538 . 5.91
Gordon Coventry 1933, 1929, 1930, 1934 77 . 455 . 5.90
Gary Ablett . . 1993, 1995, 1994, 1990 81 . 450 . 5.55
John Coleman . .1950, 1952, 1953, 1949 76 . 420 . 5.52
Bill Mohr . . . 1936, 1933, 1934, 1935 64 . 324 . 5.06
Doug Wade . . . 1969, 1971, 1967, 1974 84 . 420 . 5.00
 
Jack Riewoldt has returns of 1, 0, 0 and 0 goals from his four Round 2 matches. His average of 0.25 is 1.93 below his career average, which started me thinking about other players who have had 'bogey rounds'.

Biggest (negative) difference between career and round average (minimum 4 matches in round):

Code: 
Diff Player            Club(s) Career   Gls Gms CAvg Rd  G M RAvg
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2.50 Dunstall, Jason   Ha    1985-1998 1254 269 4.66 SF 13 6 2.17
2.40 Beasley, Simon    WB    1982-1989  575 154 3.73 22  8 6 1.33
2.32 Goninon, George   Es,Ge 1948-1954  289  87 3.32 10  4 4 1.00
2.31 Margitich, George Me    1930-1934  267  75 3.56 12  5 4 1.25
2.24 Hudson, Peter     Ha    1967-1977  727 129 5.64 12 17 5 3.40
2.10 Hart, Eddie       Fi    1941-1951  323  98 3.30 14  6 5 1.20
2.04 Wheildon, Darren  Fi    1989-1994  160  70 2.29 15  1 4 0.25
2.04 Roach, Michael    Ri    1977-1989  607 200 3.04 14  8 8 1.00
2.03 Beecroft, Bob     Fi    1976-1980  291  96 3.03 15  4 4 1.00
1.98 Coleman, John     Es    1949-1954  537  98 5.48  4 21 6 3.50
1.98 Coleman, John     Es    1949-1954  537  98 5.48  6 21 6 3.50
1.95 Fanning, Fred     Me    1940-1947  411 104 3.95 14  8 4 2.00
1.93 Riewoldt, Jack    Ri    2007-2012  201  92 2.18  2  1 4 0.25
1.93 Lloyd, Matthew    Es    1995-2009  926 270 3.43 SF  6 4 1.50
1.89 Blight, Malcolm   NM    1974-1982  444 178 2.49 GF  3 5 0.60
1.88 Pratt, Bob        Sy    1930-1946  681 158 4.31 17 17 7 2.43
1.88 Coleman, John     Es    1949-1954  537  98 5.48  5 18 5 3.60
1.86 Glenister, Norm   Ge    1934-1946  262 124 2.11  2  1 4 0.25
1.86 McKenna, Peter    Co,Ca 1965-1977  874 191 4.58  7 19 7 2.71
1.84 Bennett, Peter J. St    1944-1954  258 103 2.50 12  4 6 0.67
1.83 Donohue, Larry    Ge    1973-1980  339 105 3.23 18  7 5 1.40
1.81 Strang, Doug      Ri    1931-1935  180  64 2.81 15  4 4 1.00
1.81 Wood, Bill L.     WB    1944-1951  294 115 2.56 SF  3 4 0.75
1.80 Hudson, Peter     Ha    1967-1977  727 129 5.64  4 23 6 3.83


And the players whose record in certain rounds was much better than their career average:

Code: 
Diff Player             Club(s)       Career  Gls Gms CAvg Rd  G M RAvg
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3.56 Moloney, George M. Ge          1931-1935 303  88 3.44  2 28 4 7.00
3.52 Donohue, Larry     Ge          1973-1980 339 105 3.23 10 27 4 6.75
3.32 Coleman, John      Es          1949-1954 537  98 5.48 18 44 5 8.80
3.22 McKenna, Peter     Co,Ca       1965-1977 874 191 4.58 19 39 5 7.80
3.12 Coleman, John      Es          1949-1954 537  98 5.48  1 43 5 8.60
3.09 McKenna, Peter     Co,Ca       1965-1977 874 191 4.58 20 46 6 7.67
2.97 Johnson, Len       Es,NM       1929-1933  88  69 1.28  2 17 4 4.25
2.97 Evans, Ron B.      Es          1958-1962 210  64 3.28 11 25 4 6.25
2.85 McShane, Jim       Ge          1897-1901  53  82 0.65 SR 14 4 3.50
2.76 Scott, Mark        Ha,St,Fi    1978-1989 175  78 2.24 21 20 4 5.00
2.69 Strang, Doug       Ri          1931-1935 180  64 2.81  2 22 4 5.50
2.68 Merrick, Bob       Fi          1919-1926 181  59 3.07  8 23 4 5.75
2.57 Baker, Phil        NM,Ge,NM    1971-1979 125 106 1.18 GF 15 4 3.75
2.52 Cummings, Scott    Es,PA,WC,Co 1994-2002 349 128 2.73  6 21 4 5.25
2.52 Coleman, John      Es          1949-1954 537  98 5.48  2 32 4 8.00
2.47 Watts, Ray         Es          1937-1941 149  59 2.53 16 20 4 5.00
2.44 Hunter, Maurie     Ri          1929-1933 159  81 1.96 SF 22 5 4.40
2.43 Lynch, Alastair    Fi,Br       1988-2004 633 306 2.07 SF 18 4 4.50
2.35 Hunter, Kingsley   Fr,WB,Ha    1995-2003 115 100 1.15 22 14 4 3.50
2.34 Rioli, Dean        Es          1999-2006  91 100 0.91 11 13 4 3.25
2.30 Fanning, Fred      Me          1940-1947 411 104 3.95 12 25 4 6.25
 
Round 2 2012 Trivia:



  • The Giants results after 2 matches ranks 1,380th out of 1388 results from the first 2 matches of a season.

  • Collingwood and Hawthorn have each lost 3 of their last 6 matches.

  • Only the 4th time that West Coast has won a match by 18 points or more each quarter.

  • Richmond's last goal was their 26.00th since entering the League in 1908.

  • GWS' goal tally in the third quarter is the equal third highest for a team that was goalless at half-time.
 
Five of the 25 worst starts by a coach at a club belong to current coaches, and the list includes the past three from Melbourne. Results of first two games, and overall record at the club:

Code: 
Rk Coach                 Cb  Year M W L D For Aga   %     M   W  L D Win %
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 1 McCaskill, Bob        Ha  1950 2 0 2 0  74 263 28.14  36   4 32 - 11.11
 2 Hall, Alec            St  1906 2 0 2 0  49 168 29.17  13   4  9 - 30.77
[COLOR=blue] 3 Sheedy, Kevin         GWS 2012 2 0 2 0  91 283 32.16   2   -  2 -   -[/COLOR]
 4 Clark, Norman         NM  1931 2 0 2 0 114 334 34.13  10   - 10 -   -
 5 Lewis, Johnny Francis NM  1930 2 0 2 0  64 186 34.41  18   1 17 -  5.56
 6 Worrall, John         Ca  1902 2 0 2 0  48 139 34.53 144 100 43 1 69.79
[COLOR=blue] 7 McKenna, Guy          GC  2011 2 0 2 0 103 293 35.15  24   3 21 - 12.50[/COLOR]
 8 Shaw, Robert          Fi  1991 2 0 2 0 107 297 36.03  86  28 58 - 32.56
 9 Bailey, Dean          Me  2008 2 0 2 0 116 315 36.83  83  22 59 2 27.71
10 Drohan, Eddie         Me  1910 2 0 2 0  79 213 37.09  18   4 14 - 22.22
11 Quinlan, Bernie       Fi  1995 2 0 2 0  94 237 39.66  19   2 17 - 10.53
12 Jeans, Allan          Ri  1992 2 0 2 0 137 329 41.64  22   5 17 - 22.73
13 Barassi, Ron D.       Sy  1993 2 0 2 0 152 358 42.46  59  13 46 - 22.03
14 Hale, Jack            Ha  1952 2 0 2 0  82 188 43.62 146  60 85 1 41.44
15 Scott, Brett          Sy  1993 2 0 2 0 179 396 45.20   2   -  2 -   -
16 Cassidy, Jim          WB  1926 2 0 2 0  84 183 45.90   8   1  7 - 12.50
[COLOR=blue]17 Hardwick, Damien      Ri  2010 2 0 2 0 112 240 46.67  46  14 31 1 31.52[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]18 Neeld, Mark           Me  2012 2 0 2 0 136 285 47.72   2   -  2 -   -[/COLOR]
19 Allan, Ben            Fr  2001 2 0 2 0 114 238 47.90  13   2 11 - 15.38
20 Eade, Rodney          Sy  1996 2 0 2 0 111 230 48.26 152  81 69 2 53.95
21 Viney, Todd           Me  2011 2 0 2 0 120 244 49.18   5   1  4 - 20.00
22 Ricketts, Charlie     St  1920 2 0 2 0 107 217 49.31  27   5 21 1 20.37
23 Froude, Fred          St  1948 2 0 2 0 113 224 50.45  56  14 41 1 25.89
24 Killigrew, Alan       St  1956 2 0 2 0  87 172 50.58  54  19 34 1 36.11
[COLOR=blue]25 Scott, Brad           NM  2010 2 0 2 0 121 239 50.63  46  22 24 - 47.83[/COLOR]

Only the legendary Worrall - the first ever football coach - proved an unqualified success. Of the others, Eade crept above 50% and led Sydney to a GF appearance, Jack Hale broke new ground at Hawthorn, and Brad Scott is making a good fist of things at North.

Greats to have started with consecutive losses include Jock McHale, Checker Hughes, David Parkin, Kevin Sheedy (Essendon) & Allan Jeans (St.Kilda).
 

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Probably safe to say that Sheedy will be 0-6 after 6 rounds, which is only slightly worse than his 1-5 start at Essendon in 1981. Should have sacked him then! Although going into Round 22, a win was likely to have given us the minor premiership and the week off. Alas, we (3rd) lost to Geelong (4th) then lost the Elimination Final to Fitzroy (5th) and that was that :( But we did win the Night Series that year :thumbsu:, a game that featured the famous Tim Watson jump over the pack and run into goal.
 
The Round 2 GWS team (av age 21.33, av gms 32.0) was the youngest since Round 6, 1972 (North Melbourne, 21.22, 26.8).

Youngest teams of all time:

Code: 
Rk AvAge Cb  Year Rd AvMa TMa Op OpAvg R Mgn
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 1 20.69 WB  1959  8 17.6 351 Ri 23.36 L  26
 2 20.77 WB  1960 12 28.6 572 Ge 21.69 L  27
 3 20.96 WB  1959  7 21.5 429 Es 22.18 L  16
 4 20.99 NM  1972  1 27.9 557 St 23.70 L  58
 5 21.01 WB  1959  9 22.5 449 NM 23.94 L  28
 6 21.05 WB  1961 13 24.9 497 NM 22.73 L   3
 7 21.13 Co  1968 17 30.3 606 Es 24.39 L  85
 8 21.16 WB  1960 10 23.3 465 Ca 23.35 L  30
 9 21.19 Sy  1963 12 26.8 535 Ge 23.00 L  35
10 21.22 NM  1972  6 26.8 536 Sy 23.14 L  15
11 21.23 WB  1959 11 25.7 513 Fi 24.63 L  20
12 21.25 WB  1959 10 24.8 495 Ge 22.66 L  18
13 21.25 NM  1971 19 27.5 549 Ha 23.06 L  92
14 21.25 Fi  1967  2 27.1 542 Sy 22.64 L  38
15 21.26 Co  1968 18 32.9 658 Ca 24.25 L  37
16 21.27 Co  1968 19 36.0 719 Me 23.86 W   1
17 21.27 WB  1959 17 29.8 596 Co 23.90 L  30
18 21.28 Un  1911 10 24.6 442 Sy 23.85 L  38
19 21.29 WB  1960 14 37.5 750 Ha 22.93 L  36
20 21.29 WB  1960 11 32.3 645 Sy 23.02 L   3
21 21.30 Me  1969 10 23.4 468 WB 23.50 W  25
22 21.30 NM  1971 15 28.9 577 WB 22.11 L  92
23 21.31 Fi  1967 10 29.6 592 Es 23.56 L  26
24 21.32 WB  1960 18 32.5 650 Ri 22.79 W  40
25 21.32 Fi  1967  5 23.8 475 NM 23.81 L  31
26 21.33 GWS 2012  2 32.0 703 NM 24.37 L 129
27 21.34 GWS 2012  1 28.2 621 Sy 24.80 L  63
 
Ron The Bear said:
Five of the 25 worst starts by a coach at a club belong to current coaches, and the list includes the past three from Melbourne. Results of first two games, and overall record at the club:

Code: 
Rk Coach                 Cb  Year M W L D For Aga   %     M   W  L D Win %
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 1 McCaskill, Bob        Ha  1950 2 0 2 0  74 263 28.14  36   4 32 - 11.11
 2 Hall, Alec            St  1906 2 0 2 0  49 168 29.17  13   4  9 - 30.77
[COLOR=blue]3 Sheedy, Kevin         GWS 2012 2 0 2 0  91 283 32.16   2   -  2 -   -[/COLOR]
 4 Clark, Norman         NM  1931 2 0 2 0 114 334 34.13  10   - 10 -   -
 5 Lewis, Johnny Francis NM  1930 2 0 2 0  64 186 34.41  18   1 17 -  5.56
 6 Worrall, John         Ca  1902 2 0 2 0  48 139 34.53 144 100 43 1 69.79
[COLOR=blue]7 McKenna, Guy          GC  2011 2 0 2 0 103 293 35.15  24   3 21 - 12.50[/COLOR]
 8 Shaw, Robert          Fi  1991 2 0 2 0 107 297 36.03  86  28 58 - 32.56
 9 Bailey, Dean          Me  2008 2 0 2 0 116 315 36.83  83  22 59 2 27.71
10 Drohan, Eddie         Me  1910 2 0 2 0  79 213 37.09  18   4 14 - 22.22
11 Quinlan, Bernie       Fi  1995 2 0 2 0  94 237 39.66  19   2 17 - 10.53
12 Jeans, Allan          Ri  1992 2 0 2 0 137 329 41.64  22   5 17 - 22.73
13 Barassi, Ron D.       Sy  1993 2 0 2 0 152 358 42.46  59  13 46 - 22.03
14 Hale, Jack            Ha  1952 2 0 2 0  82 188 43.62 146  60 85 1 41.44
15 Scott, Brett          Sy  1993 2 0 2 0 179 396 45.20   2   -  2 -   -
16 Cassidy, Jim          WB  1926 2 0 2 0  84 183 45.90   8   1  7 - 12.50
[COLOR=blue]17 Hardwick, Damien      Ri  2010 2 0 2 0 112 240 46.67  46  14 31 1 31.52[/COLOR]
[COLOR=blue]18 Neeld, Mark           Me  2012 2 0 2 0 136 285 47.72   2   -  2 -   -[/COLOR]
19 Allan, Ben            Fr  2001 2 0 2 0 114 238 47.90  13   2 11 - 15.38
20 Eade, Rodney          Sy  1996 2 0 2 0 111 230 48.26 152  81 69 2 53.95
21 Viney, Todd           Me  2011 2 0 2 0 120 244 49.18   5   1  4 - 20.00
22 Ricketts, Charlie     St  1920 2 0 2 0 107 217 49.31  27   5 21 1 20.37
23 Froude, Fred          St  1948 2 0 2 0 113 224 50.45  56  14 41 1 25.89
24 Killigrew, Alan       St  1956 2 0 2 0  87 172 50.58  54  19 34 1 36.11
[COLOR=blue]25 Scott, Brad           NM  2010 2 0 2 0 121 239 50.63  46  22 24 - 47.83[/COLOR]

Only the legendary Worrall - the first ever football coach - proved an unqualified success. Of the others, Eade crept above 50% and led Sydney to a GF appearance, Jack Hale broke new ground at Hawthorn, and Brad Scott is making a good fist of things at North.

Greats to have started with consecutive losses include Jock McHale, Checker Hughes, David Parkin, Kevin Sheedy (Essendon) & Allan Jeans (St.Kilda).
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As a Bulldogs supporter, I was expecting to see Royce Hart in there, considering we lost our first eleven games of his first year in charge (1980). After how many matches would Hart appear in your top 25?
 
worbod said:
As a Bulldogs supporter, I was expecting to see Royce Hart in there, considering we lost our first eleven games of his first year in charge (1980). After how many matches would Hart appear in your top 25?
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After 7 games (there are only 25 coaches who've lost their first 7). Hart's record ranked:

187th of 225 coaches to lose their 1st match
105th/135 coaches to lose their first 2
66th/79.....3
37th/59.....4
31st/43.....5
30th/35.....6
19th/25.....7
15th/23.....8
13th/16.....9
12th/12.....10
11th/11.....11

The win in Round 12 put him back down (or up?) to 17th.
 
Ron The Bear said:
The Round 2 GWS team (av age 21.33, av gms 32.0) was the youngest since Round 6, 1972 (North Melbourne, 21.22, 26.8).
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They have to be a good chance to 'improve' on that when a couple of the veterans are out with arthritis or dementia or something. Gives me a reason to be interested in the Giants ins and outs each week.
 
How much of an advantage will Adelaide and North Melbourne reap this year by their draw?

Below is a list of existing clubs playing new clubs (1st or 2nd year) at least 4 times:
Code: 
4 - Adelaide         2012 v Gold Coast, GWS Giants
[U]4 - North Melbourne  2012 v Gold Coast, GWS Giants[/U]
4 - Essendon         1988 v Bris Bears, West Coast
4 - Collingwood*     1988 v Bris Bears, West Coast
4 - Footscray        1988 v Bris Bears, West Coast
[U]4 - St Kilda         1988 v Bris Bears, West Coast[/U]
4 - Melbourne*       1987 v Bris Bears, West Coast
4 - North Melbourne* 1987 v Bris Bears, West Coast
4 - Richmond         1987 v Bris Bears, West Coast
[U]4 - St Kilda         1987 v Bris Bears, West Coast[/U]
[B][COLOR="Red"]6[/COLOR][/B] - Melbourne[B][COLOR="red"]***[/COLOR][/B]     1926 v Footscray, Hawthorn, North Melb
4 - Essendon**       1926 v Footscray, North Melb
4 - Fitzroy          1926 v Footscray, North Melb
4 - Geelong**        1926 v Footscray, North Melb
4 - Richmond         1926 v Footscray, Hawthorn
4 - St Kilda         1926 v Hawthorn, North Melb
[U]4 - South Melbourne  1926 v Footscray, North Melb[/U]
4 - Essendon**       1925 v Footscray, North Melb
4 - Fitzroy          1925 v Footscray, North Melb
4 - Geelong**        1925 v Footscray, North Melb
4 - Melbourne**      1925 v Footscray, North Melb
4 - South Melbourne  1925 v Footscray, North Melb
* These teams made finals that year (Final Five)
** These teams made finals that year (Final Four)
*** Melbourne played 6 of their 18 games in 1926 against the three clubs that joined the league the previous year. Melbourne went on to make the finals and win the premiership.

In 1925, no team played Hawthorn and Footscray 4 times or Hawthorn and North Melbourne 4 times.

In 1908 and 1909, all eight establishment clubs played Richmond and University twice each in both seasons.
 

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red+black said:
How much of an advantage will Adelaide and North Melbourne reap this year by their draw?
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Interesting contribution.

This is also the factor that GC and GWS are relatively the worst performed.

For those not already following - comparative tables are here.


The difference in 1926 may have meant that Melbourne without an extra win or two against the 'easy-beats' would have most likely met Geelong in an elimination final instead of Collingwood who they had already beaten twice whereas they had failed in their only match against Geelong. (They beat top of the ladder, Collingwood 4 times to take the premiership and then not again until 1937.)

Hawthorn in 1987 could have done without the extra West Coast match (they lost both) an extra win that year would have given them top spot on the ladder and a week's rest before playing their semi-final.
 
Herald-Sun article: 11 April 2012

Calls for drastic draw reforms as bookmakers ban bets on Greater Western Sydney. (Behind pay-wall but Google the headline to read it.)
Ted Hopkins, considered the godfather of AFL stats and mathematical analysis, delivered a stern warning to the league.

Hopkins said Fitzroy and University were the only clubs to finish a season with a percentage of 60 or below in the past. Both clubs are now extinct.
​
Fact:

34 teams have finished the season with "a percentage of 60 or below in the past" including the non-extinct Carlton, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Nth Melbourne, St Kilda and Sydney/Sth Melbourne.

The last time Geelong finished with a percentage below 60% in 7 years time they had won the first of back-to-back premierships and in the next two seasons were to set the standing League records of 23 consecutive wins and 26 consecutive matches without defeat.

Gold Coast's percentage in 2011 ranks 13th highest of the 34 below 60%.
 
RogersResults said:
Herald-Sun article: 11 April 2012

Calls for drastic draw reforms as bookmakers ban bets on Greater Western Sydney. (Behind pay-wall but Google the headline to read it.)
Ted Hopkins, considered the godfather of AFL stats and mathematical analysis, delivered a stern warning to the league.

Hopkins said Fitzroy and University were the only clubs to finish a season with a percentage of 60 or below in the past. Both clubs are now extinct.
​
Fact:

34 teams have finished the season with "a percentage of 60 or below in the past" including the non-extinct Carlton, Geelong, Hawthorn, Melbourne, Nth Melbourne, St Kilda and Sydney/Sth Melbourne.

The last time Geelong finished with a percentage below 60% in 7 years time they had won the first of back-to-back premierships and in the next two seasons were to set the standing League records of 23 consecutive wins and 26 consecutive matches without defeat.

Gold Coast's percentage in 2011 ranks 13th highest of the 34 below 60%.
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That's a curious thing for Hopkins to say. Hard to imagine how he could've been misquoted.
 
Hopkins said Fitzroy and University were the only clubs to finish a season with a percentage of 60 or below in the past. Both clubs are now extinct.

Yet another example of a newspaper using statistics in an article clearly without checking the facts. It might have saved the HS and Ted Hopkins some embarrassment if they did. I won't hold my breath waiting for a retraction and an apology for any "hysteria" caused.

It was quite obvious that Gold Coast and GWS would take a few years to really get going, but I suspect the day may eventually come when we wish they weren't so strong, as opposed to being so weak. Lumping Melbourne in with the two new clubs is totally unfair, however.
 
35Daicos said:
Hopkins said Fitzroy and University were the only clubs to finish a season with a percentage of 60 or below in the past. Both clubs are now extinct.

Yet another example of a newspaper using statistics in an article clearly without checking the facts. It might have saved the HS and Ted Hopkins some embarrassment if they did. I won't hold my breath waiting for a retraction and an apology for any "hysteria" caused.

It was quite obvious that Gold Coast and GWS would take a few years to really get going, but I suspect the day may eventually come when we wish they weren't so strong, as opposed to being so weak. Lumping Melbourne in with the two new clubs is totally unfair, however.
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They never acknowledge nor publish any of my corrections and probably nobody else's . The information I posted here was put in as a comment on the article and has not appeared.

The Herald-Sun nor its predecessor the Sun News Pictorial have ever had much concern about being 'journals of record'.
 

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