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Marklar_33 said:
Surely then 1936 is the record for 8-1 with 3 teams?
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My initial post in the Questions thread regarded x-1 or better starts to a season.

Roger responded with:
RogersResults said:
Here are some more one losses for you.

7-1 (3 teams) 2012, 1939
8-1 (2 teams) 2001, 1981, 1979, 1975, 1973, 1971, 1966, 1959, 1939, 1936, 1928, 1925, 1910, 1905, 1901
9-1 (3 teams) 1936
10-1 (2 teams) 2011, 2008, 1975, 1928
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So to me, it looks like Roger didn't accurately answer the question I asked, which was most x-1 or better teams for different values of x. Rog, Ron, can we get the list of 6-0/1 to 14-0/1? This of course includes teams that had 1 or 2 draws with no losses.
 
red+black said:
My initial post in the Questions thread regarded x-1 or better starts to a season.

Roger responded with:

So to me, it looks like Roger didn't accurately answer the question I asked, which was most x-1 or better teams for different values of x. Rog, Ron, can we get the list of 6-0/1 to 14-0/1? This of course includes teams that had 1 or 2 draws with no losses.
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You had in your list:

Undefeated starts
and
Single loss or better starts.

I took the 'or better starts' to be redundant and gave you the most with
a single loss each not a combination of single and no losses.
Sorry for the confusion.
 
A random observation about my own team.

Essendon have not lost seven or more matches in a row against a particular opponent since losing nine on the trot to Richmond between 1972 and 1976.

They've had several instances of six losses in a row since then, though:

Collingwood (1990-93 and 2009-current)
Geelong (2006-10)
Port Adelaide (2001-04 and 2005-10)
Hawthorn (1986-89 and 2005-08)
Footscray (2006-09)
North Melbourne (2002-07)

However, each time Essendon has managed to prevent the streak getting to seven.

Makes our Round 23 game against Collingwood just that bit more interesting!
 
UpForGrabs said:
Would love to see Ken Farmer's similar stat.

For the WAFL, the best is Bernie Naylor's 485.
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In relation to the 50 most prolific games Farmer had in SANFL club football, he amassed 559 goals with an average of 11.18. This includes 37 bags of ten or more.

In TFL matches for New Norfolk and Glenorchy, Peter Hudson's top 50 games netted him 491 goals at 9.82 per game with 24 ten goal hauls.

Another well known full forward I have collected stats for is Bill Pearson from the VAFA in the 1930s. His 50 most prolific games netted 586 goals at an 11.72 average, with 36 ten goal hauls.

In the VFA, Ron Todd's 50 most prolific games netted 407 goals at 8.14 per match with 14 ten goal hauls.
 

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worbod said:
In relation to the 50 most prolific games Farmer had in SANFL club football, he amassed 559 goals with an average of 11.18. This includes 37 bags of ten or more.

In TFL matches for New Norfolk and Glenorchy, Peter Hudson's top 50 games netted him 491 goals at 9.82 per game with 24 ten goal hauls.

Another well known full forward I have collected stats for is Bill Pearson from the VAFA in the 1930s. His 50 most prolific games netted 586 goals at an 11.72 average, with 36 ten goal hauls.

In the VFA, Ron Todd's 50 most prolific games netted 407 goals at 8.14 per match with 14 ten goal hauls.
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Wonder what Fred Cook would have achieved in his top 50 scoring games? As a kid watching the VFA in the mid-late 70's on the Sundays you'd always see the full forwards like Cook, and my favourite of the time Joe Radojevic of Geelong West.
 
RogersResults said:
Observed in Round 9 2012


  • Geelong 2012 continues as the club's worst performed reigning premier after 9 matches.
  • Richmond's average points conceded after 9 matches is their lowest since 2003.
  • Port Adelaide's highest score since 2010.
  • The 25th century conceded by Gold Coast.
  • Gold Coast's 300th goal from 31 matches.
  • Geelong's 510th goal from their last 31 matches.
  • Saints highest score against the Swans since 2001.
  • Essendon's 12th win from 50 matches interstate.
  • Lowest attendance at an Essendon match since 1993.
  • Collingwood's 21st win from 25 matches interstate.
  • Collingwood's 3rd last quarter win in the last 4 matches after losing 11 of their previous 12 final quarters.
  • North's first consecutive win v Brisbane in the 21st century.
  • Melbourne's 1,200th loss.
    [*]West Coast's 200th match without a draw.
Details and more here or here.
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I'm presuming you've not considered the 2007 Semi Final draw decided in extra time?
 
Tarkyn_24 said:
I'm presuming you've not considered the 2007 Semi Final draw decided in extra time?
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Absolutely not considered. The match was not a draw.
The match had the result of a winner and a loser.
Under the rules governing finals preliminary to the
Grand Final, there is no such thing as a draw.
The match continues until there is a winner.
Scores in extra time are included in the score for
the last quarter.
As such the score before extra time commenced
becomes part of the progressive score for the last
quarter.

The match could not end in a draw. The scores being even
in normal time meant that the match had not ended.
 
I guess it's akin to a soccer match in the knockout stage of a tournament. If a game must be decided by extra time or penalties, then the match result cannot be a draw, at the end of the day, there must be a winner and a loser. Although the betting agencies do allow betting on a draw at the end of regular time.
 
red+black said:
I guess it's akin to a soccer match in the knockout stage of a tournament. If a game must be decided by extra time or penalties, then the match result cannot be a draw, at the end of the day, there must be a winner and a loser. Although the betting agencies do allow betting on a draw at the end of regular time.
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You can bet on the scores being even at the end of regular time you cannot
bet on a match being a draw when the rules do not allow the match to
finish with even scores.

A draw is even scores at the finish only. Matches that allow extra time to score
or some other method like penalty shots for goal are only finished when one team wins.
The term 'draw' has no application in this situation.
 
RogersResults said:
You can bet on the scores being even at the end of regular time you cannot
bet on a match being a draw when the rules do not allow the match to
finish with even scores.

A draw is even scores at the finish only. Matches that allow extra time to score
or some other method like penalty shots for goal are only finished when one team wins.
The term 'draw' has no application in this situation.
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So people refer to the game as the "drawn" semi final for shits and giggles.

Not all of us live for statistical jargon, the game was tied at the end of regulation time, I would've presumed that would have meant the game was classified as a draw, or a win with a note attached, Would've appreciated a response without feeling like I'm being talked down to, as well.:thumbsu:
 
Tarkyn_24 said:
So people refer to the game as the "drawn" semi final for shits and giggles.

Not all of us live for statistical jargon, the game was tied at the end of regulation time, I would've presumed that would have meant the game was classified as a draw, or a win with a note attached, Would've appreciated a response without feeling like I'm being talked down to, as well.:thumbsu:
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"Drawn" and "tied" have different and specific meanings and are not "jargon".

Tied refers to the scores being even during a contest so you are correct in saying that "the game was tied at the end of regulation time". However a draw is defined as "finish (a contest or game) with an even score". Therefore it is incorrect to refer to the 2007 semi-final as a draw as the rules under which it was played were that the game could not finish unless the tie was broken.

Scores even, match not finished - a tie.
Scores even, match finished - a draw.

If the distinction is not there then there can be confusion of some matters such as when West Coast last had a draw or perhaps the notion may arise that Collingwood could have been credited with both a draw and a win from the same match.

As for "so people refer to the game as the "drawn" semi final for shits and giggles", then they do so out of ignorance. I would not doubt that the ignorant and uniformed in the media don't understand the difference between "tied" and "drawn", they come out will all sorts of errors of fact and misinformation every week.

I make no apologies for correcting ignorance.
 
RogersResults said:
"Drawn" and "tied" have different and specific meanings and are not "jargon".

Tied refers to the scores being even during a contest so you are correct in saying that "the game was tied at the end of regulation time". However a draw is defined as "finish (a contest or game) with an even score". Therefore it is incorrect to refer to the 2007 semi-final as a draw as the rules under which it was played were that the game could not finish unless the tie was broken.

Scores even, match not finished - a tie.
Scores even, match finished - a draw.

If the distinction is not there then there can be confusion of some matters such as when West Coast last had a draw or perhaps the notion may arise that Collingwood could have been credited with both a draw and a win from the same match.

As for "so people refer to the game as the "drawn" semi final for shits and giggles", then they do so out of ignorance. I would not doubt that the ignorant and uniformed in the media don't understand the difference between "tied" and "drawn", they come out will all sorts of errors of fact and misinformation every week.

I make no apologies for correcting ignorance.
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No need to apologise for correcting ignorance, but tact is something you should give a go. :rolleyes::thumbsu:
 

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Of the 16 teams that have competed the last 15 seasons 1998-2012 round 9,
currently only 4 (25%) have won less than 50% of their matches.

Carlton 42.27%
Melbourne 41.19%
Fremantle 41.18%
Richmond 39.38%

The Western Bulldogs are on exactly 50% with 164 wins, 164 losses and 5 draws.

Of the 11 teams that competed in the previous 15 seasons 1983-1997
there were 4 (37%) teams that won less than 50% of their matches.

Melbourne 46.08%
Sydney 40.33%
St Kilda 37.72%
Richmond 37.31
(Fitzroy 1983-1996: 36.22%)

Of the 12 teams that competed in the previous 15 seasons 1968-1982
there were 7 (58%) teams that won less than 50% of their matches.

Essendon 49.25%
Geelong 48.52%
St Kilda 42.73%
Fitzroy 40.15%
WB/Footscray 37.35%
Sydney/SM 36.13%
Melbourne 30.21%
 

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Most goals in 100th game:

Code: 
G Player           Cb Year Rd Op
--------------------------------
9 Lockett, Tony    St 1988 10 Ha
8 Coventry, Gordon Co 1927  1 Ge
8 Dunstall, Jason  Ha 1989 15 Ri
8 Riewoldt, Jack   Ri 2012 10 St
7 Vallence, Harry  Ca 1932 17 Me
7 Reynolds, Tom    Es 1943 GF Ri
7 Hudson, Peter    Ha 1971 SF St
7 Edmond, Jim      WB 1983  5 Ri
7 Beasley, Simon   WB 1986 16 Ri
6 Pratt, Bob       Sy 1935 11 Me
6 Smith, Norm W.   Me 1941  7 Ca
6 Weideman, Murray Co 1959 11 Ha
6 Blake, Rod       Ge 1979  5 St
6 Daniher, Terry   Es 1982  5 Fi
6 Holland, Nick    Ha 2000  2 Ca
6 Pickett, Byron   NM 2002  2 WB

A pleasure to add Jumping Jack's name to a distinguished list.
 
Ron The Bear said:
Most goals in 100th game:

Code: 
G Player           Cb Year Rd Op
--------------------------------
9 Lockett, Tony    St 1988 10 Ha
8 Coventry, Gordon Co 1927  1 Ge
8 Dunstall, Jason  Ha 1989 15 Ri
8 Riewoldt, Jack   Ri 2012 10 St
7 Vallence, Harry  Ca 1932 17 Me
7 Reynolds, Tom    Es 1943 GF Ri
7 Hudson, Peter    Ha 1971 SF St
7 Edmond, Jim      WB 1983  5 Ri
7 Beasley, Simon   WB 1986 16 Ri
6 Pratt, Bob       Sy 1935 11 Me
6 Smith, Norm W.   Me 1941  7 Ca
6 Weideman, Murray Co 1959 11 Ha
6 Blake, Rod       Ge 1979  5 St
6 Daniher, Terry   Es 1982  5 Fi
6 Holland, Nick    Ha 2000  2 Ca
6 Pickett, Byron   NM 2002  2 WB
A pleasure to add Jumping Jack's name to a distinguished list.
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Ever thought you'd be adding Harry Taylor's name to that same list??
 
Ron The Bear said:
Even if I'd known it was his 100th today, the possibility would never have crossed my mind.
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Joins Rod Blake as Geelong's most prolific goal kicker in his 100th game as a Cat. Yes, not one that would have easily been predicted, given that he had kicked just NINE goals in his previous 99 games, never scoring more than a single goal in a match. Would have to be some sort of record 'breakout' as a goalscorer in terms of getting 66.7% of his career's total in one fell swoop.

Interesting to note as well, the Cats/Giants game saw the scores tied at both 1/4 time and 1/2 time....not something that would happen everyday...4.2.26 and 7.3.45 respectively.
 

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