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Question without notice re: Buddy's 13 on saturday.

As the quarter time siren sounded he was yet to kick a goal, but with 10:13 remaining in the 3rd he had kicked his 10th.
I assume the timing of goals within a game wouldnt have been kept too far back in terms of records, but this has to be right up there in terms of an AFL/VFL record (10 goals in a quarter and a half game time)?
 
AC for PM said:
Question without notice re: Buddy's 13 on saturday.

As the quarter time siren sounded he was yet to kick a goal, but with 10:13 remaining in the 3rd he had kicked his 10th.
I assume the timing of goals within a game wouldnt have been kept too far back in terms of records, but this has to be right up there in terms of an AFL/VFL record (10 goals in a quarter and a half game time)?
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Not far back if at all.
Just for starters though, Melbourne's Harry Davie in round 14 1925 kicked 13 goals including 8 in the 3rd quarter*. You might like to research the online match reports to see if there is any evidence of when the other 5 were scored. (You know where to find them?)

*Published in "Everything you wanted to know about Football but couldn't be bothered asking - 1982"

Also reports: 8 in one quarter by South's Bob Pratt v Carlton in 1934, Collingwood's Gordon Coventry v Hawthorn in 1929 and 7 by Melbourne's Fred Fanning v StKilda in 1947.
 
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Matches v Port Adelaide at Football Park 1997-2012 R10 -
ranked by match/win percentage.
 
Fred Fanning had 12 by half time in his last match.

Michael Roach came off the bench 14 minutes into the third quarter and finished with 10 goals against Swan Districts in an Escort Cup match in 1982.
 

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The most interesting part of that first 500 table, IMO, is how many more draws Fitzroy and Carlton were involved in than any other team. 13 for Carlton, 11 for Fitzroy. Contrast that to North and Hawthorn only having 3.
 
Dos23 said:
The most interesting part of that first 500 table, IMO, is how many more draws Fitzroy and Carlton were involved in than any other team. 13 for Carlton, 11 for Fitzroy. Contrast that to North and Hawthorn only having 3.
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The incidence of draws in the 2096 matches prior to 1925 was exactly double that in the next 2096, after North & Hawthorn joined the VFL.
 
Ron The Bear said:
The incidence of draws in the 2096 matches prior to 1925 was exactly double that in the next 2096, after North & Hawthorn joined the VFL.
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1897-1924: 75% (24/32) of draws involved Carlton and/or Fitzroy.

Percentage of matches ending in in draws: 4x29 year periods.
1897-1925 1.49%
1926-1954 1.05%
1955-1983 1.04%
1984-2012 0.88%

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Number and percentage of draws from matches played
1897-2012 match 1 round 11.
 
red+black said:
Would not expect afl.com.au to be correct with anything AFL-related
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A little harsh but as with much that is put online and in print the text is entered by people with no knowledge of the subject and therefore no ability to say, "is that right?". Putting text on web pages is still regarded by most organisations as the exclusive domain of "web designers" and those who know about PHP, ASP, XML, CSS etc. There also appears to be less and less or no time for checking.
With the pay-wall I haven't been keeping track of the statistical boners published by the Herald-Sun. The AFL site has never came close to competing with them for nonsense.
 
Observed in Round 11 2012:

  • Geelong defeat Carlton in consecutive matches, each time 3 fewer scoring shots than the Blues.
  • Fremantle's 4th win in Victoria in 32 matches.
  • Gold Coast's 7th loss by 90 points or more in 33 matches. (Hawthorn have had 7 losses of 90 points or more in their last 768 matches.)
  • Essendon's fewest goals with the most behinds at 3/4 time since 1901.
  • Hawthorn win 3 consecutive matches v Port Adelaide for the first time.
  • The fifth team to score 9.0 in the last quarter.

    Details and more here or here.
 

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Oldest Round 12 teams:

Rich (BB code): 
Year Rd Cb AvAge Op R
---------------------
1921 12 Ri 27.58 Fi L
1923 12 Ri 27.48 Ca L
1946 12 Fi 27.44 Ri L
1945 12 Fi 27.30 Ge W
1944 12 NM 27.20 NM L
2012 12 St 27.17 Ad L
1943 12 Ca 26.99 Co W
1941 12 Ca 26.98 Es W
1913 12 Ca 26.96 Me L
1928 12 Me 26.94 Es L
 
St.Kilda's oldest teams:

Rich (BB code): 
 # Year Rd AvAge Cb R
---------------------
 1 1921  5 27.49 Me D
 2 1921  6 27.46 Ge L
 3 1945  5 27.36 Ca L
 4 1918 11 27.35 Sy L
 5 1945  1 27.29 Sy L
 6 1921  2 27.27 Fi W
 7 1944 14 27.20 Sy L
 8 1919  7 27.20 Ri L
 9 1945  2 27.19 Me L
10 2012 12 27.17 Ad L

i.e. last night's line-up was St.Kilda's oldest since wartime.

NB None of the above teams contained 43yo Vic Cumberland.
 
Most consecutive games, current streaks:

Code: 
Gms Player             Cb
-------------------------
156 Simpson, Kade      Ca
104 Deledio, Brett     Ri
 98 Gibbs, Bryce       Ca
 76 Swallow, Andrew    NM
 76 Thompson, Scott D. NM
 68 Kennedy, Josh P.   Sy
 68 Riewoldt, Jack     Ri
 67 Gilbert, Sam       St
 64 Harvey, Brent      NM
 64 Redden, Jack       Br
 61 Cross, Daniel      WB
 60 Betts, Eddie       Ca
 58 Cox, Dean          WC
 56 Garlett, Jeff      Ca
 56 Jones, Nathan      Me
 55 Judd, Chris        Ca
 51 Boyd, Matthew      WB
 51 Selwood, Scott     WC
 51 van Berlo, Nathan  Ad
 
Ron The Bear said:
Most consecutive games, current streaks:

Code: 
Gms Player            Cb
-------------------------
156 Simpson, Kade      Ca
104 Deledio, Brett    Ri
98 Gibbs, Bryce      Ca
76 Swallow, Andrew    NM
76 Thompson, Scott D. NM
68 Kennedy, Josh P.  Sy
68 Riewoldt, Jack    Ri
67 Gilbert, Sam      St
64 Harvey, Brent      NM
64 Redden, Jack      Br
61 Cross, Daniel      WB
60 Betts, Eddie      Ca
58 Cox, Dean          WC
56 Garlett, Jeff      Ga
56 Jones, Nathan      Me
55 Judd, Chris        Ca
51 Boyd, Matthew      WB
51 Selwood, Scott    WC
51 van Berlo, Nathan  Ad
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Quite a few Carlton players needing a rest there and one 'Ga' player too!
 
Essendon's last 2 home games against Melbourne have been at Melbourne's home ground, the MCG. Melbourne have won both of those games. Since football began at Docklands, 6 of Essendon's 10 home games against Melbourne have been at the MCG. In the AFL's wisdom, they have scheduled Essendon's home game against Hawthorn this year at Docklands. Not a lot of sense shown in these decisions. Compare with Collingwood who play Gold Coast and Fremantle at the MCG.

Essendon and Geelong tend to play at Docklands these days rather than the MCG.

St Kilda's home game this year against Melbourne is also at the MCG.
 

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The last time each team went 28 or more consecutive matches without scoring a century
and the most consecutive by teams that never have.

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The Giants are yet to score a century. (Top score 94.)
University never did. (Top score 96.)
 
With talk in some areas of the media that Buddy Franklin had a chance of posting 11 goals versus Brisbane Lions, which he needed to reach 500, I decided to research who had been furthest away from this milestone prior to achieving it.


Goals needed
prior to game Player . . . . Game . . . . . . . . Overall change in goals total
8 . . . . . . Bill Mohr . . .Round 6, 1936 vs NMel 492 to 503 (kicked 11)
8 . . . . . . Bernie Quinlan Round 8, 1983 vs Melb 492 to 500
7 . . . . . . Doug Wade . . .Round 8, 1969 vs Haw .493 to 500
7 . . . . . . Tony Lockett . Round 5, 1990 vs Coll 493 to 500
7 . . . . . . Dick Harris . .Round 3, 1944 vs Ess .493 to 503 (kicked 10)
6 . . . . . . Dick Lee . . . Round 11, 1917 vs Ric 494 to 500
6 . . . . . . Michael Roach .Round 3, 1986 vs Haw .494 to 500
6 . . . . . . Simon Beasley .Round 5, 1988 vs WCE .494 to 500
6 . . . . . . Warren Tredrea Round 4, 2009 vs Haw .494 to 500
 

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