Stats observations

[Ron The Bear]

Assuming he takes the Carlton job, Mick Malthouse will be aged 59y223d at Round 1 next year. Records of coaches after that age:

Coach               Gms  W  L D  Win % Last Gm
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Hughes senior, Frank  1  1  - - 100.00 71y127d
McHale, Jock        141 79 60 2  56.74 66y265d
Sheedy, Kevin        26  3 23 -  11.54 64y245d
Kennedy, John J.     25 10 15 -  40.00 60y246d
Worrall, John        12  5  7 -  41.67 60y 40d
Pagan, Denis         10  2  8 -  20.00 59y301d
Sparrow, George      10  8  2 -  80.00 59y291d

 

[RogersResults]

Observed in Round 23 2012​

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• Hawthorn equal a drought but round off their scoring at the MCG.
• Geelong pass a recorded attendance milestone.
• A one in over 50 scoring occurrence for Adelaide.
• GWS avoiding by a couple of points from equaling St Kilda's 1897 record.
• Essendon joining University 1909 and Sydney 1989 in a feat.
• A match won with particular scoring for only the third time.
• A first for St Kilda against Carlton.
• A League record for Richmond.
• Brisbane equal a record set by Richmond in 1997.
  
  Details and more here:

 

[Rourke]

Observed in Round 23 2012​

Details and more here:
St Kilda's percentage of 123.33% is the highest for a side missing the finals since Richmond's 123.18% in 1966 and the highest for a side missing the final 8 (1994-2012). Previous: Richmond 117.39% in 1996.

Hi Mr Rogers, given that 123.33% is higher than 123.18%, does that mean St Kilda now holds the all-time record for a team missing the finals?

 

[RogersResults]

Hi Mr Rogers, given that 123.33% is higher than 123.18%, does that mean St Kilda now holds the all-time record for a team missing the finals?

No.
Geelong missed in 1932 with 139.74%
Essendon missed in 1963 with 137.51%
Melbourne missed in 1927 with 132.42%
Carlton missed in 1944 with 131.53%
Footscray missed in 1955 with 129.96%
Geelong missed in 1936 with 125.77%
Fitzroy missed in 1925 with 125.68%
Richmond missed in 1948 with 125.58%
Fitzroy missed in 1919 with 125.32%
Richmond missed in 1965 with 124.98%
Geelong missed in 1913 with 124.41%
Then comes St Kilda 2012 followed by Richmond 1966.

 

[RogersResults]

Finished one ladder position outside of a finals place.​

5th 1897, 1901-15,1917-71. 6th 1972-90, 7th 1991-3, 9th 1994-2012.​

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% is a percentage of seasons competed.​

Fitzroy finished 5th in a final 4 system 12 times.​

Geelong finished 6th 5 times in a final 5 system.​

Richmond have finished 9th 6 times under the final 8 system.​

 

[RogersResults]

@RogersResults Some corrections to The "Minor" Premiership article on The Myth of the "Minor Premiers":

"right to challenge" -> "right of challenge"
"Minor Premiers" -> "Minor premiers"
an thus had -> and thus had
on such a day or days -> on such day or days
shall be the winner". -> shall be the winner."

And for the Right to Challenge article:

and bought about the -> and brought about the

Just noticed that - much appreciated.

 

[RogersResults]

Match/win percentage of the Premiers in home and away matches against the other eventual finalists.​

If the Premiers did not have the highest M/W% in the matches between the eventual finalists the team that did or was equal is shown.​

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To paraphrase Bill Clinton - It's the finals, stupid!​

 

[RogersResults]

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2012 finalists' matches against the other eventual finalists​

 

[hawkman]

Hawthorn with 2679 points is the highest scoring team in a H&A season since Essendon scored 2816 in 2000. They just pipped Geelong's 2672 in 2008. No other team in that time has gone above 2600

 

[RogersResults]

Hawthorn with 2679 points is the highest scoring team in a H&A season since Essendon scored 2816 in 2000. They just pipped Geelong's 2672 in 2008. No other team in that time has gone above 2600

Hawthorn's average score in 2012 of 122 points from 22 matches is 30 points above the 2012 League average score.
Geelong's average score in 2008 of 121 points was 24 points above the 2008 League average.
Essendon's average score in 2000 of 128 points was 24 points above the 2000 League average.
The highest average score in a season, Geelong's 139 points in 1992 was 35 points above the 1992 League average.

Hawthorn's points difference of 946 in 2012 is the 6th highest recorded in a 22 round season.
Higher:
Essendon 2000 - 1046
Collingwood 2011 - 1046
Geelong 2008 - 1021
Geelong 1992 - 958
West Coast 1991 - 953.

 

[hawkman]

Hawthorn's points difference of 946 in 2012 is the 6th highest recorded in a 22 round season.
Higher:
Essendon 2000 - 1046
Collingwood 2011 - 1046
Geelong 2008 - 1021
Geelong 1992 - 958
West Coast 1991 - 953.

Only one of them won the premiership, the others are all losing grand finalist's

 

[RogersResults]

Only one of them won the premiership, the others are all losing grand finalist's

Interesting observation. May be co-incidental or might be more evidence of the perils of expending energies too soon.

 

[RogersResults]

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Average match/win percentage and for/against percentage of the final 8 each season.​

 

[RogersResults]

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2012 finalists: Matches won and lost by 40 points or more.​

 

[RogersResults]

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2012 finalists: Average winning and losing margins​

against all teams and just against the other finalists.​

(Geelong lost no matches against non-finalists.)​

 

[RogersResults]

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2012 finalists: Number of times placed in the top 8 after a completed round of matches.​

(Byes not counted.)​

 

[RogersResults]

Observed in Round 1 of the 2012 Finals​

• A first for Hawthorn v Collingwood.
• A first this century for Hawthorn v Collingwood
• A second time only event for Adelaide.
• The equal 27th highest winning margin by a team with one less scoring shot than their opponent.
• A first for Fremantle v Geelong (besides winning a final.)
• Geelong still has the highest match/win percentage from seasons as a reigning Premier.
• Five new scoring records for West Coast v Nth Melbourne.
  
  Details and more here:

 

[Ron The Bear]

Reading through some old Footy Records and came across the following in the Round 3, 1913 edition.

"Bill Walker, the Fitzroy captain, was unable to get away from work on Saturday to lead his men against St.Kilda."

 

[RogersResults]

Reading through some old Footy Records and came across the following in the Round 3, 1913 edition
"Bill Walker, the Fitzroy captain, was unable to get away from work on Saturday to lead his men against St.Kilda.".

Club balance sheets often had entries for payments to players of compensation for forfeited wages in taking off time from work to play or train. Good relations and accommodations with players' employers and their football clubs may have had significant influence on a club's success. The introduction of the 40 hour working week from the end of the 1940's began to make it easier for players to juggle work commitments and playing football.

 

[Catsace]

Must be a sign of being old....But i recall a North fan student in Year 10 in 1983 having a little dig by saying 'Go North' to teacher Gary Malarkey after Fairley and co smashed Geelong by 40 points at K.P. Promptly told to pipe down by another teacher in earshot mind you. Could hardly imagine a teacher playing footy now, but professionalism has changed so much in this 30 year period.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

A sad stat for you.

John McCarthy's death is the first by an active player since Troy Broadbridge in the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami and before him, Darren Millane in a car crash in 1991.

 

[AC for PM]

A sad stat for you.

John McCarthy's death is the first by an active player since Troy Broadbridge in the 2004 Boxing Day Tsunami and before him, Darren Millane in a car crash in 1991.

Let's hope it's the last, too.

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Let's hope it's the last, too.

Agreed.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Most losses by 90+ points in first 44 games coached:

M Coach                Gms 90 Club(s)       Career
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9 McKenna, Guy          44  9 GC          2011-2012
6 Gellie, Graeme        62  6 St          1984-1986
6 Hart, Royce           53  7 WB          1980-1982
6 Dixon, Brian          44  6 NM          1971-1972
5 Shaw, Robert         130  9 Fi,Ad       1991-1996
5 Patterson, Michael    68  6 St,Ri       1978-1984
5 Hampshire, Ian        34  5 WB          1982-1983
4 Knights, Peter       104  8 Br,Ha       1987-1995
4 Froude, Fred          56  4 St          1948-1950
4 Drum, Damian          53  4 Fr          1999-2001
4 Haines, George        34  4 Me,St       1919-1927
4 Nunan, Michael        14  4 Fi          1996
3 Northey, John        315 12 Sy,Me,Ri,Br 1985-1998
3 Thomas, Grant        123  3 St          2001-2006
3 Cornes, Graham        89  4 Ad          1991-1994
3 Bailey, Dean          83  4 Me          2008-2011
3 Knights, Matthew      67  5 Es          2008-2010
3 Primus, Matthew       47  3 PA          2010-2012
3 Todd, John            45  3 WC          1988-1989
3 Hird senior, Allan    38  3 St          1946-1947
3 Foote, Les            36  3 St          1954-1955
3 Williams, W. Jack     20  3 Ge          1945
3 Quinlan, Bernie       19  3 Fi          1995
3 Lewis, Johnny Francis 18  3 NM          1930
3 Arklay, Tom           18  3 Ge          1944
3 McConnell, Alan       11  3 Fi          1995-1996

Even accepting that Gold Coast is a bit of a special case, things don't bode well for McKenna.

 

[tasmanlvr]

Just needed to make this observation.

2009 Finals
Collingwood finish 4th. Loses to top team by a number ending with eight. (28)
Adelaide finishes 5th. Beats 8th placed team by 96 points.
Adelaide get four goals up on the Pies during the semi final at the MCG played on a Saturday night.
Collingwood comes back.
Wins. (and we all know what happened after that - "RIGHT IN FRONT OF ME")

2012 Finals
Collingwood finish 4th. Loses to top team by a number ending with eight. (38)
West Coast finishes 5th. Beats 8th placed team by 96 points.
West Coast get four goals up on the Pies during the semi final at the MCG played on a Saturday night.
Collingwood comes back.
Wins.