Stats observations

[red+black]

Darren Crocker will coach the next 4 games for North Melbourne:
- all against non-Victorian sides
- all in different states (Tas, Vic, NSW, Qld)

And his last game as coach was also against a non-Victorian side (Port), also in a different state (SA).

 

[RedmanWasHere]

In taking over from Brad Scott for a month, Darren Crocker becomes the first 2 time interim coach since Alan McConnell 1995-1996.

 

[red+black]

Except for Clarko's 2 stints covering for Brendon "5-0" Bolton

 

[RedmanWasHere]

A Damien Hardwick coached side has won against Fremantle twice.

Both by 27 points.

 

[worbod]

Scott Cummings holds the record for the most goals kicked in a game which matches his guernsey number: 14 when playing for West Coast versus Adelaide in round 4, 2000.

 

[Whos_Your_Caddy]

I have always thought Melbourne were bad at Etihad and as such have had a rule to never tip them there for years. Today I went back just to see when they last won at the ground and provided I haven't missed something it appears their last win at Etihad was rd 19 in 2007.

 

[Rourke]

What a pity no-one at the Herald Sun knows percentage existed before 1999, or how to contact any of the dozens of footy historians who could have given them the right answer

 

[the croucher]

…and swinging away from Stats Questions to this more appropriate thread perhaps - wouldn't believe it but I've just found another player listed in annual AFL Season Guide [200 Club] who shouldn't be there !

David Thorpe (Foot/Rich) 178g + 12 night + 8 state = 198.

Along with Norm Brown and Geoff Leek, he is now the third player to be falsely accorded 200 Club membership,
or have incorrect career figures shown.

What on earth is going on at AFL Publications/History & Stats depts ?

 

[worbod]

…and swinging away from Stats Questions to this more appropriate thread perhaps - wouldn't believe it but I've just found another player listed in annual AFL Season Guide [200 Club] who shouldn't be there !

David Thorpe (Foot/Rich) 178g + 12 night + 8 state = 198.

Along with Norm Brown and Geoff Leek, he is now the third player to be falsely accorded 200 Club membership,
or have incorrect career figures shown.

What on earth is going on at AFL Publications/History & Stats depts ?

Is it possible these three players (and perhaps some others you have not yet discovered) were originally members of the 200 club when they retired due to the old practice of having some state games added to their club games? With the readjusting of these players' games totals perhaps the AFL did not have the heart to strip them of their 200 club membership.

 

[35Daicos]

Is it possible these three players (and perhaps some others you have not yet discovered) were originally members of the 200 club when they retired due to the old practice of having some state games added to their club games? With the readjusting of these players' games totals perhaps the AFL did not have the heart to strip them of their 200 club membership.

There has to be a reasonable explanation for this, along the lines of what you've suggested. With the three players mentioned having been in the 200 Club for so many years, they surely would have noticed by now that the numbers don't (seem to) add up.

I just had a look at the 200 Club section in the 1993 Media Guide (forerunner to today's AFL Season Guide). David Thorpe has 180 games (not 178), Norm Brown 183 games (not 181), while Geoff Leek goes in the opposite direction, with 190 games (not 191).

 

[35Daicos]

From Encyclopedia of AFL Footballers (2014 Edition page iv):- State Amendments
Players who appeared in the following games for Victoria have had their records amended: ~~~
The players affected are as follows with revised games tally followed by the old tally in brackets: - ~~~ Thorpe D 178 (180); ~~~

The games mentioned were all in the 1970s. Leek (of course) and Brown aren't named among the 81 (I think) players affected.

 

[Strauchanside]

The original Encyclopedia of League Footballers, published 1992 has Thorpe with 180 games (99 goals), Leek 191 (98) and Brown 182 (77).

 

[35Daicos]

The original Encyclopedia of League Footballers, published 1992 has Thorpe with 180 games (99 goals), Leek 191 (98) and Brown 182 (77).

I've got (I think) 5 editions of the book (possibly not that one) and the most recent 4 include the State Amendments bit at the start of the book that I've mentioned a couple of posts above this one. I'm not sure exactly when it was that they made those changes.

Edit: I have got the 1992 version. It does at least mention that players who played in Victorian state sides in the 70s "were credited with a game for the purposes of League records."

 

[Strauchanside]

There's a paragraph in the introduction that quotes a September 24, 1969 ruling which "credits a game to players who appeared in an interstate game on the same day as their club was playing a game". Apparently it was not applied retrospectively so "players in Victorian sides in the following matches were credited with a game for the purposes of league records: vs Wa July 17 1971, Carnival 1972, vs SA May 12 1973, June 2 1974, vs WA July 13 1974, vs SA July 5 1975, vs WA April 24 1976, June 25 1977".

 

[35Daicos]

There's a paragraph in the introduction that quotes a September 24, 1969 ruling which "credits a game to players who appeared in an interstate game on the same day as their club was playing a game". Apparently it was not applied retrospectively so "players in Victorian sides in the following matches were credited with a game for the purposes of league records: vs Wa July 17 1971, Carnival 1972, vs SA May 12 1973, June 2 1974, vs WA July 13 1974, vs SA July 5 1975, vs WA April 24 1976, June 25 1977".

Yes, I just edited my previous post to include a bit about this. There's no doubt that the "anomaly" with David Thorpe's numbers is explained by the state game situation, it must have been something similar with the other two, but I can't find a definitive answer anywhere.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I've got (I think) 5 editions of the book (possibly not that one) and the most recent 4 include the State Amendments bit at the start of the book that I've mentioned a couple of posts above this one. I'm not sure exactly when it was that they made those changes.

Edit: I have got the 1992 version. It does at least mention that players who played in Victorian state sides in the 70s "were credited with a game for the purposes of League records."

1992 AFL Media Guide has Keith Greig on 300
1994 & 95 Media Guides have him on 297
1996 Season Guide has him on 294 (current figure)

Not sure what the process was, but it all happened around that time.

 

[35Daicos]

1992 AFL Media Guide has Keith Greig on 300
1994 & 95 Media Guides have him on 297
1996 Season Guide has him on 294 (current figure)

Not sure what the process was, but it all happened around that time.

1993 AFL Media Guide still has Keith Greig on 300 in the 200 Club section, 297 in Most Games - Day Games Only.

 

[35Daicos]

Not sure why an explanation can't be found somewhere to the "mystery" regarding Brown and Leek's amended game tallies. It was probably to do with state games as well, but can't be positive.

 

[35Daicos]

I thought this discussion had a familiar feel to it! There's another thread not far from here that covers pretty much the same topic:

http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threa...ay-300-games-or-303-games-for-geelong.940832/

 

[Ron The Bear]

Carlton played its first 7 VFL matches at different venues.

The record is held by Fitzroy, which played at 10 different grounds in as many games, Rounds 4-13 1995.

8 consecutive different venues:
St.Kilda R4-12 1922
Footscray R16 1941-R6 1942
Richmond R18 1989-R3 1990 (all losses)
North Melbourne R12-19 2004

 

[Rourke]

The home team scored 85 tonight, for the fourth time in the past ten matches:

1. NM 13.7 (85) def WCE 10.15 (75)
2. Melb 13.7 (85) lost to Coll 17.8 (110)
3. StK 12.13 (85) def Melb 12.11 (83)
4. Adel 12.13 (85) lost to Haw 17.12 (114)

 

[RedmanWasHere]

For the second consecutive Round 11, GWS finished with a score of 77.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Hawthorn and North Melbourne fielded their second-most experienced teams this round. Average 140.1 & 139.2 games, ranked #50 and #58 all-time.

Also their 6th- and 4th-oldest teams, respectively, based on average age.

 

[stemline]

Hawthorn's won 3,700 quarters, and lost 3,700 quarters. (Tied 164).

 

[worbod]

With Corey Enright experiencing a loss on the weekend, it means that all Geelong's 300 gamers (Enright, Ian Nankervis, Sam Newman) were on the losing team during their 300th game.
Conversely, all three of Richmond's 300 game players (Kevin Bartlett, Jack Dyer, Francis Bourke) all experienced a win when playing their 300th game.