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emuboy said:
Barry Young played 76 games for Essendon from 1994-1999, arriving the year after and departing the year before Essendon won premierships. In 1993 Young played the last of his five seasons at Richmond (which ran second last) before being a surprise delisting at the end of the year, 1993 premiers Essendon picking him up in the 1994 pre-season draft. In his career at Essendon he played in a Bombers semi final team in 1995 that was eliminated by the Tigers, and two one point losses in preliminary finals in 1996 and 1999. Due to salary cap restrictions Young crossed to Hawthorn for the 2000 season, while the Bombers went on to claim the premiership that year.
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He actually had the last kick into the Bombers forward line in the 1999 prelim. It spilled off a pack and Dean Rice threw the ball on his boot to clear it back out of the 50 only to find the waiting arms of Dean Wallis. The rest as they say....is history.
 
iluvparis said:
He actually had the last kick into the Bombers forward line in the 1999 prelim. It spilled off a pack and Dean Rice threw the ball on his boot to clear it back out of the 50 only to find the waiting arms of Dean Wallis. The rest as they say....is history.
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From a neutral point of view purely - im not taking Carlton or Essendons side - but what happened that year was an absolute disgrace - and neutrals didnt get to see what would have been a great GF in NM V Ess - simply because of an outrageous finals system

Ess - had a great year - 18-4 top of the ladder - win their qual final by 10 goals plus and go into PF

Carlton won a paltry 12 games for the year - finished 6th - got flogged in their 1st final by 70 plus pts - they should have been eliminated right there and then the following week even more bizarre - The Eagles who finished 5th and had beaten the 4th place side ( in Melb ) - their reward for doing they play Carlton ( ridiculous ) and in Melb ( even more ridiculous )

So Ess lose the PF to Carlton ( who should have been eliminated weeks ago with a proper system ) by a point - an absolute disgrace by the AFL that finals system
 
Goggin Our Best said:
From a neutral point of view purely - im not taking Carlton or Essendons side - but what happened that year was an absolute disgrace - and neutrals didnt get to see what would have been a great GF in NM V Ess - simply because of an outrageous finals system

Ess - had a great year - 18-4 top of the ladder - win their qual final by 10 goals plus and go into PF

Carlton won a paltry 12 games for the year - finished 6th - got flogged in their 1st final by 70 plus pts - they should have been eliminated right there and then the following week even more bizarre - The Eagles who finished 5th and had beaten the 4th place side ( in Melb ) - their reward for doing they play Carlton ( ridiculous ) and in Melb ( even more ridiculous )

So Ess lose the PF to Carlton ( who should have been eliminated weeks ago with a proper system ) by a point - an absolute disgrace by the AFL that finals system
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Playing devils advocate, the 6th placed Blues would have had a home final in week 1 v 7th placed Port under the current system, which they quite possibly would have won. So probably would have got through to the second week regardless.
 

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Goggin Our Best said:
From a neutral point of view purely - im not taking Carlton or Essendons side - but what happened that year was an absolute disgrace - and neutrals didnt get to see what would have been a great GF in NM V Ess - simply because of an outrageous finals system

Ess - had a great year - 18-4 top of the ladder - win their qual final by 10 goals plus and go into PF

Carlton won a paltry 12 games for the year - finished 6th - got flogged in their 1st final by 70 plus pts - they should have been eliminated right there and then the following week even more bizarre - The Eagles who finished 5th and had beaten the 4th place side ( in Melb ) - their reward for doing they play Carlton ( ridiculous ) and in Melb ( even more ridiculous )

So Ess lose the PF to Carlton ( who should have been eliminated weeks ago with a proper system ) by a point - an absolute disgrace by the AFL that finals system
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Given this was hot on the heels of the Crows winning the Flag in '98 despite finishing 5th and being smashed in their first Final that season, i can see why the system was changed.
 
worbod said:
Heath Shaw is now the third player to play 150 games for two clubs. He has played his 150th for GWS today after clocking up 173 for Collingwood. He joins Shaun Burgoyne (157 for Port, 230 for Hawthorn) and Bernie Quinlan (177 for Footscray, 189 for Fitzroy).
Roger Merrett played 149 for Essendon followed by 164 for Brisbane Bears.
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The other quirky 'almost' member of this group is Marcus Ashcroft. 318 matches for Brisbane...152 for the Bears and 166 for the Lions.
 
Shaun Burgoyne's career at thee Hawks is staggering. Only 18 Hawks have played more games at the club than his 231 games, and he joined them after an already long (by old time standards) career at Port. Given his knee was not in good shape way back then, to keep producing at his level at his age is just remarkable.

But i wonder if his amazing output post-knee at the Hawks has coloured the recruiting subsequently, with O'Meara, Scully and Patton all picked up on the cheap but all having had serious injuries. Shaun is probably in very rare company, as for one of him there's probably many Mitchell Whites, Hamish McIntoshes and even Mark (Rifleman) Williams, who all played only a handful of games after joining their new clubs with knee issues.
 
The Adelaide Crows with their loss to Richmond today collected the wooden spoon for the first time, having comfortably avoided a last place finish for 30 years. How long did it take each team to win their first wooden spoon? Here is the list for all 21 teams:

Adelaide - 30 years (1991-2020)
Brisbane Bears - 4 Years (1987-1990)
Brisbane Lions - 2 years (1997-1998)
Carlton - 106 years (1897-2002)
Collingwood - 80 years (1897-1976)
Essendon - 11 years (1897-1907)
Fitzroy - 20 years (1897-1916)
Footscray/Western Bulldogs - 35 years (1925-1959)
Fremantle - 7 years (1995-2001)
Geelong - 12 years (1897-1908)
Gold Coast - 1 year (2011)
GWS Giants - 1 year (2012)
Hawthorn - 1 year (1925)
Melbourne - 9 years (1897-1905)
North Melbourne - 2 years (1925-1926)
Port Adelaide - None
Richmond - 10 years (1908-1917)
St Kilda - 1 year (1897)
South Melbourne/Sydney Swans - 7 years (1897-1903)
University - 4 years (1908-1911)
West Coast Eagles - 24 years (1987-2010)
 
emuboy said:
The Adelaide Crows with their loss to Richmond today collected the wooden spoon for the first time, having comfortably avoided a last place finish for 30 years. How long did it take each team to win their first wooden spoon? Here is the list for all 21 teams:

Adelaide - 30 years (1991-2020)
Brisbane Bears - 4 Years (1987-1990)
Brisbane Lions - 2 years (1997-1998)
Carlton - 106 years (1897-2002)
Collingwood - 80 years (1897-1976)
Essendon - 11 years (1897-1907)
Fitzroy - 20 years (1897-1916)
Footscray/Western Bulldogs - 35 years (1925-1959)
Fremantle - 7 years (1995-2001)
Geelong - 12 years (1897-1908)
Gold Coast - 1 year (2011)
GWS Giants - 1 year (2012)
Hawthorn - 1 year (1925)
Melbourne - 9 years (1897-1905)
North Melbourne - 2 years (1925-1926)
Port Adelaide - None
Richmond - 10 years (1908-1917)
St Kilda - 1 year (1897)
South Melbourne/Sydney Swans - 7 years (1897-1903)
University - 4 years (1908-1911)
West Coast Eagles - 24 years (1987-2010)
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The AFL does now have it in their records that Richmond "won" the 1916 wooden spoon, with Fitzroy's first spoon coming in 1936.
 
That 1916 season is completely wacky.

After 3 Rounds Fitzroy were on top of the ladder. They then lost the next 9 games to finish bottom.

They then played one of those weird pre-1931 finals series. Fitzroy had to play (and beat) the top team Carlton 2 times in a row.

All finals were played at the MCG - which had not been used up to then all season. Average crowds for the finals were down at least 10,000 on both 1915 and 1917.
 
Wallaby said:
That 1916 season is completely wacky.

After 3 Rounds Fitzroy were on top of the ladder. They then lost the next 9 games to finish bottom.

They then played one of those weird pre-1931 finals series. Fitzroy had to play (and beat) the top team Carlton 2 times in a row.

All finals were played at the MCG - which had not been used up to then all season. Average crowds for the finals were down at least 10,000 on both 1915 and 1917.
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It Was in the midst of the War, so possibly player availability played a significant factor?
 
Catsace said:
Shaun Burgoyne's career at thee Hawks is staggering. Only 18 Hawks have played more games at the club than his 231 games, and he joined them after an already long (by old time standards) career at Port. Given his knee was not in good shape way back then, to keep producing at his level at his age is just remarkable.
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I thought at the time it was a dodgy trade. Best footy was on the ball but had been susceptible to a tag. Developed a hard edge at Hawthorn - when he tackles, he tackles to hurt.
 

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Went under the radar that Geelong fielded the oldest side in history against the Swans on Sunday.

Avg AgeClubYearRoundOppResultMargin
28.25Geel202018SydW6
28.21Rich192315EssL8
28.21Haw20202GeelL61
28.17Fitz19464CarlW62
28.16Carl1919SFCollL18
28.13Fitz19461RichL4
28.12Carl191917SydW4
28.12Haw20201BrisW28
28.09Carl191916CollL67
28.05Carl191918RichW19
28.04Fitz19462CollL16
28.03Fitz19459MelbW20
28.02S.M.19451St.KW41
28.01Fitz194415RichW50
28.00N.M.201612GeelL31

They had an age advantage over the Swans of +3.77, ranked #62 of all time, and narrowly avoided having the third-highest age difference for a losing team.
 
After a 32-16 drubbing from the North Queensland Cowboys this evening, the Brisbane Broncos have collected the NRL wooden spoon for the first time in their history, the same year as the Adelaide Crows were the AFL wooden spooner for the first time.

Before this year, neither the Crows nor the Broncos have been anywhere near the bottom of the ladder at the end of the season.
 
emuboy said:
After a 32-16 drubbing from the North Queensland Cowboys this evening, the Brisbane Broncos have collected the NRL wooden spoon for the first time in their history, the same year as the Adelaide Crows were the AFL wooden spooner for the first time.

Before this year, neither the Crows nor the Broncos have been anywhere near the bottom of the ladder at the end of the season.
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It's correct that neither the Crows nor the Broncos had been anywhere near wooden spoon territory until this year.

The previous worst finish for the Crows was 14th out of 17 teams in 2011. Their 7 wins for the season meant they were well away from the 3 wins of wooden spooner Gold Coast Suns.

The previous worst finish for the Broncos was 12th out of 16 teams in 2013. Their 10.5 wins for the season meant they were well away from the 5 wins of wooden spooner Parramatta.
 
Another remarkable Crows/Broncos statistic is that both Adelaide and Brisbane won their respective premierships in 1998 with a team wearing royal blue and white jumpers runner up, North Melbourne in the AFL and Canterbury in the NRL.

This year, the Kangaroos finished second last to the Crows in the AFL, and the Bulldogs will be second last to the Broncos in the NRL.
 
Ron The Bear said:
Went under the radar that Geelong fielded the oldest side in history against the Swans on Sunday.

Avg AgeClubYearRoundOppResultMargin
28.25Geel202018SydW6
28.21Rich192315EssL8
28.21Haw20202GeelL61
28.17Fitz19464CarlW62
28.16Carl1919SFCollL18
28.13Fitz19461RichL4
28.12Carl191917SydW4
28.12Haw20201BrisW28
28.09Carl191916CollL67
28.05Carl191918RichW19
28.04Fitz19462CollL16
28.03Fitz19459MelbW20
28.02S.M.19451St.KW41
28.01Fitz194415RichW50
28.00N.M.201612GeelL31

They had an age advantage over the Swans of +3.77, ranked #62 of all time, and narrowly avoided having the third-highest age difference for a losing team.
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I think from posts you've made R.T.B, the previous oldest Geelong side was the 2010 PF? Or was that most games played in terms of experience?

Stanley in would add a few months over the youthful Sav, Gaz 36, Taylor 34, and Selwood and Hawkins both 32 or thereabouts contribute. But it's a little surprising given it wasn't long ago, maybe even at the start of last season that Geelong had as many as perhaps 8-9 player who had played about 30 or fewer games. I guess players like Clark, Fogarty, Atkins, Miers, Constable, Esava, Fort, Tim Kelly and Jack Henry contributed to that, and a few of that list are now not in the seniors (or left the club).
 
Catsace said:
I think from posts you've made R.T.B, the previous oldest Geelong side was the 2010 PF? Or was that most games played in terms of experience?
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Top 10 by age

Avg AgeYearRoundOppResultMarginAvg Gms
28.25202018SydW6161.6
27.9720203CarlL2143.2
27.70202011St.KW59138.1
27.6620205G.C.W37141.5
27.5820202HawW61136.4
27.582010PFCollL41152.4
27.562010SFFremW69151.4
27.56202014W.B.W11135.5
27.54201017BrisW63148.5
27.4320204MelbW3132.3

By games

Avg GmsYearRoundOppResultMarginAvg Age
161.6202018SydW628.25
157.52010QFSt.KL427.35
152.5201119MelbW18627.41
152.42010PFCollL4127.58
151.42010SFFremW6927.56
148.5201017BrisW6327.54
144.9201019CollL2227.29
144.82011GFCollW3827.27
144.42009GFSt.KW1226.71
143.82011PFW.C.W4827.25
 
NRL team the Cronulla Sharks had a like of matching numbers this year. From 20 games, Cronulla had a 10-10 record with 480 points for, 480 against, a 0 points differential.

The only team in the AFL I can think of that did this was South Melbourne in 1930, the Swans going 9-9 with the same points for and against, a percentage of exactly 100. In 1989 the Swans, now the Sydney Swans, came close with an 11-11 season and 1 point for more than against.
 
emuboy said:
NRL team the Cronulla Sharks had a like of matching numbers this year. From 20 games, Cronulla had a 10-10 record with 480 points for, 480 against, a 0 points differential.

The only team in the AFL I can think of that did this was South Melbourne in 1930, the Swans going 9-9 with the same points for and against, a percentage of exactly 100. In 1989 the Swans, now the Sydney Swans, came close with an 11-11 season and 1 point for more than against.
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The Bombers came close in 2011 except for the draw.

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With still no finals appearances in their history, Gold Coast now have 14 100-game players who have never played finals for them.
When Hawthorn made their first finals appearance after 32 years in 1957, there had been 22 players who had played 100 or more games for the club without playing in finals. This includes Len Crane, whose appearance in the first semi-final against Carlton was his 101st game for Hawthorn.
 
worbod said:
With still no finals appearances in their history, Gold Coast now have 14 100-game players who have never played finals for them.
When Hawthorn made their first finals appearance after 32 years in 1957, there had been 22 players who had played 100 or more games for the club without playing in finals. This includes Len Crane, whose appearance in the first semi-final against Carlton was his 101st game for Hawthorn.
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It seems crazy to gear the Hawks not play finals in 32 years!
 
Gary Ablett Jr has not registered 30+ touches in a game for his 35th consecutive game. (R21 2018 vs Hawthorn with 32 touches his last 30+ game.)

His longest stretch of games without 30+ touches since 2005-07.

FWIW, his first game of 30 touches or more was achieved vs Melbourne R3 2007.
 
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