Stats observations

[emuboy]

The following scores have never occurred as a team’s final score in any VFL/AFL match, although all scores obtained by adding or subtracting one goal or behind have:

1. 9.27 [(81)]
2. 10.26 [(86)]
3. 17.28 [(130)]
4. 18.26 [(134)]
5. 25.8 [(158)]
6. 23.26 [(164)]
7. 24.24 [(168)]
8. 28.11 [(179)]
9. 27.24 [(186)]
10. 28.20 [(188)]

Which seems the most improbable non-occurrence do you think?

In 1991 there were two unique and quite similar (inversed) scores which had not occurred before and never since. The first was 27.28-190 by Geelong in a 102-point demolition of the Brisbane Bears (12.16-88) at the GABBA in Round 4, the second was 28.27-195 by Hawthorn when it thrashed Fitzroy (10-9-69) by 126-points at Princes Park in Round 21.

Although other teams have scored 190 and 195 points in other games, no team has kicked the same exact scores as the Cats and Hawks did against the Bears and the Lions back in 1991, and now probably never will.

Another interesting case involving a strange lack of flexibility with scoring combinations is a match in which one team doubles its opponents score to win by 51-points, i.e. 102 vs 51. This has only come up four times, but in each time it has only ever been 15.12-102 vs. 7.9-51. This was by Footscray over Melbourne in the 1954 Grand Final, astonishingly another win by the Bulldogs over Melbourne in 1977, a win by Melbourne over Carlton in 1948 (interestingly a Demon premiership season) and a victory by St Kilda over Hawthorn in 1929.

Yet despite these scores appearing fairly average across all eras of football, that it has been seen so infrequently and with no variation is a little odd. There has never been an accurate game with scores of 16.6-102 to 8.3-51, variations of the existing score such as 14.18 to 7.9 or 15.12 to 6.15, or an inaccurate match resulting in scores of 13.24 to 6.15.

 

[GrahamClayton]

After Ron Dunn transferred from Fitzroy to Essendon for the 1952 VFL season, Essendon would not take in a player from another club until 1972, with Des Tuddenham transferring from Collingwood and Bruce Brown from Melbourne.

 

[Lingsface]

Clinton Benjamin and Warren Benjamin are two brothers drafted to the AFL, both didn't play a game of AFL. Are they the only brothers to ever do this?

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Warren Benjamin

In 2009 and 2010, the Roos had:

Benjamin Warren.
Warren Benjamin.

Not sure this has happened before and definitely hasn't happened since among teammates.

 

[mianfei]

After Ron Dunn transferred from Fitzroy to Essendon for the 1952 VFL season, Essendon would not take in a player from another club until 1972, with Des Tuddenham transferring from Collingwood and Bruce Brown from Melbourne.

No doubt they only did so because they had been so bad in 1971, winning only four games and none against the top eight clubs (though they did draw with Collingwood in Round 3).

Reminds me of Nottinghamshire County Cricket Club only using players from inside the county until the featherbed pitches — actually more like modern covered pitches than those of other county grounds at the time — in the immediate postwar years at their home venue of Trent Bridge precluded any local spin bowler developing. As a result, with spin important on the uncovered pitches at the time, Nottinghamshire engaged Australian Bruce Dooland, who was the leading first-class wicket-taker in his first two seasons and won them almost as many games in two seasons as in the previous seven.

 

[emuboy]

In 2009 and 2010, the Roos had:

Benjamin Warren.
Warren Benjamin.

Not sure this has happened before and definitely hasn't happened since among teammates.

Sometimes you get players with very similar names at the same time, like Ricky Nixon (Carlton, St Kilda and Hawthorn) and Richard Nixon (Richmond) in the late 1980s and early 1990s (although they were never opponents in the same match). There's also Matthew Mansfield (Bulldogs plus a year at Fitzroy without a senior game) and Matthew Manfield (Fitzroy & Richmond) in the 1990s, with Michael Mansfield (Geelong and later Carlton) thrown in for good measure.

But I've never seen this with inverse names before, much less at the same club just a year apart like with Benjamin Warren and Warren Benjamin, this is absolutely amazing.

 

[stemline]

Yeah that is bizzare. Probably beats Hawthorn trading out Mitchell and Lewis and instantly picking up Mitchell Lewis

2

Mitchell Lewis

Age

27

Ht

199cm

Wt

99kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.5

2star

K

5.9

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

3star

G

1.2

4star

D

4.3

1star

K

2.8

1star

HB

1.5

1star

M

0.8

1star

T

0.3

1star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.6

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

2.6

3star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.6

3star

.

 

[X_box_X]

Another bizarre and uncommon theme are sets of brothers being TV stars and AFL footballers.

Jonathan Griffin played for Adelaide and Fremantle while his brother Peter Griffin was a star on Fox Network's Family Guy.

Adam Simpson, former North Melbourne premiership star as a player and West Coast premiership coach is the brother of Fox Network's Homer Simpson.

 

[JP2]

Sydney scored 75 points in the 3rd quarter today, which is the highest 3rd quarter score of any team since 1991, and a total which has only been achieved by three other teams in any quarter this millennium.

The only other teams to score 75 points in a quarter since 2000:

Essendon (94 points) Q1 vs GC, round 6, 2011
Brisbane (84 points) Q4 vs Freo, round 5, 2001
North Melbourne (75 points) Q4 vs Freo, round 10, 2000

 

[SJ]

Sydney scored 75 points in the 3rd quarter today, which is the highest 3rd quarter score of any team since 1991, and a total which has only been achieved by three other teams in any quarter this millennium.

The only other teams to score 75 points in a quarter since 2000:

Essendon (94 points) Q1 vs GC, round 6, 2011
Brisbane (84 points) Q4 vs Freo, round 5, 2001
North Melbourne (75 points) Q4 vs Freo, round 10, 2000

Haven’t checked - but assume no team has ever been 2 goals at half time and 14 goals at 3QT.

 

[ioppolo]

Sydney scored 75 points in the 3rd quarter today, which is the highest 3rd quarter score of any team since 1991, and a total which has only been achieved by three other teams in any quarter this millennium.

The only other teams to score 75 points in a quarter since 2000:

Essendon (94 points) Q1 vs GC, round 6, 2011
Brisbane (84 points) Q4 vs Freo, round 5, 2001
North Melbourne (75 points) Q4 vs Freo, round 10, 2000

Kind of surprising considering some of the demolition jobs I've witnessed in my lifetime.

Sydney vs us in 2023 (205-34)
Hawthorn vs Port circa 2011 (197-32)
Some of the floggings GWS copped in 2012 & 13
West Coast vs Carlton 2003 (187-74)
Richmond vs Geelong 2007 (222-65)
Essendon & Geelong vs Melbourne circa 2011 (186-48 & 233-47)

 

[Goggin Our Best]

Just a trivia one , you know with the recent state match

But i can remember back in the mid 60s maybe a couple years later than that , but Hassa Mann who was a champion player and multi premiership player for Melb , but he was on that World of Sport show on the Sunday , and they said look you have been picked in the up coming Victorian team , but yesterday you were 19th man for Melb , and he said yeah i found that most interesting - hah

 

[35Daicos]

Haven’t checked - but assume no team has ever been 2 goals at half time and 14 goals at 3QT.

No, it hadn't happened before. Prior to this season commencing, on 2,018 occasions (from 33,676 1/2 time scores) teams have had 2 goals at 1/2 time. The best previous effort (for teams with 2 goals at 1/2 time) had been to get to 11 goals at 3/4 time. That's happened twice:



On 9 occasions teams got to 10 goals at 3/4 time.
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Another observation!: https://www.afl.com.au/afl/matches/8041#match-report

These are the other two games:

 

[clarkoscluster]

Anybody know if that was the biggest disparity between goals kicked in both halves? 6 goals in the first, v 24 in the second. Insane turnaround.

 

[35Daicos]

Anybody know if that was the biggest disparity between goals kicked in both halves? 6 goals in the first, v 24 in the second. Insane turnaround.

This extraordinary game from 1961 has the greatest disparity between aggregate goals kicked in both halves (20 goal difference - 2 vs 22)!:

Honourable mention(s)!:-
19 goals disparity (7 vs. 26):

18 goals disparity (6 vs. 24):

18 goals disparity (11 vs. 29):

These are the only games that match or better the goals kicked in halves disparity from the other night. With all of those games the second half saw the heavier goal scoring.

The biggest disparity where more aggregate goals have been kicked in the first half is 16 (32 vs 16):

 

[35Daicos]

This was from last week:

 

[mikey127]

This was from last week:

So there has only ever been one e player with a Christian name starting with U. Who was it?

 

[35Daicos]

So there has only ever been one e player with a Christian name starting with U. Who was it?

Urban Duniam! This chap appears to be the one, though it seems it's not his proper first name!: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Urban_Duniam

https://australianfootball.com/players/player/Urban+Duniam/7992

AFL Tables - Urban Duniam - Stats - Statistics

The papers called him by that name:

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Quinten Quarrell.
Uriah Underwood.
Xavier Xenos. (Or Xuereb.)

All need to happen.

Can't find a suitable YY.

 

[mikey127]

Quinten Quarrell.
Uriah Underwood.
Xavier Xenos. (Or Xuereb.)

All need to happen.

Can't find a suitable YY.

Yang Ying

 

[worbod]

Most consecutive century scores in finals games.

6 Essendon
18.15 (123) vs Sydney, 4th qualifying final, 1999
14.19 (103) vs Carlton, 2nd preliminary final, 1999 (losing score)
31.12 (198) vs North Melbourne, 1st qualifying final, 2000
18.17 (125) vs Carlton, 1st preliminary final, 2000
19.21 (135) vs Melbourne, grand final, 2000
17.11 (113) vs Richmond, 1st qualifying final, 2001
5 Melbourne
15.17 (107) vs Richmond, grand final, 1940
16.13 (109) vs Carlton, 2nd semi-final, 1941
19.13 (127) vs Essendon, grand final, 1941
17.18 (120) vs Footscray, 1st semi-final, 1946
16.17 (113) vs Collingwood, preliminary final, 1946
4 Geelong
16.12 (108) vs Collingwood, 1st semi-final, 1967
17.6 (108) vs Carlton, preliminary final, 1967
15.15 (105) vs Richmond, grand final, 1967 (losing score)
19.13 (127) vs St. Kilda, 1st semi-final, 1968
4 Richmond
20.21 (141) vs Carlton, 2nd semi-final, 1967
16.18 (114) vs Geelong, grand final, 1967
25.17 (167) vs Geelong, 1st semi-final, 1969
15.17 (107) vs Collingwood, preliminary final, 1969
4 Geelong
22.21 (153) vs Melbourne, 1st semi-final, 1989
24.20 (164) vs Essendon, preliminary final, 1989
21.12 (138) vs Hawthorn, grand final, 1989 (losing score)
15.14 (104) vs St. Kilda, 2nd elimination final, 1991
4 West Coast
14.16 (100) vs Hawthorn, 1st elimination final, 1992
20.13 (133) vs Geelong, 2nd semi-final, 1992
16.17 (113) vs Geelong, grand final, 1992
17.18 (120) vs North Melbourne, 2nd elimination final, 1993
4 North Melbourne
15.24 (114) vs Hawthorn, 2nd qualifying final, 1994
14.19 (103) vs Geelong, 1st preliminary final, 1994 (losing score)
17.12 (114) vs Richmond, 2nd qualifying final, 1995
18.21 (129) vs West Coast, 1st semi-final, 1995
4 Brisbane Lions
20.16 (136) vs Richmond, 2nd preliminary final, 2001
15.18 (108) vs Essendon, grand final, 2001
17.13 (115) vs Adelaide, 2nd qualifying final, 2002
21.12 (138) vs Port Adelaide, 2nd preliminary final, 2002
4 Brisbane Lions
18.16 (124) vs Adelaide, 2nd semi-final, 2003
14.16 (100) vs Sydney, 1st preliminary final, 2003
20.14 (134) vs Collingwood, grand final, 2003
23.11 (149) vs St. Kilda, 2nd qualifying final, 2004

 

[Catsace]

Yeah that is bizzare. Probably beats Hawthorn trading out Mitchell and Lewis and instantly picking up Mitchell Lewis.

I still refer to the latter when talking to my Hawk supporting mate as 'The two midfielders'.

Backing up to Mianfrei's never scored totals, I've seen Geelong kick 9.26.80 in a win over the Pies in 1997, and 9.28.82 in a loss to the Tigers in 1990. But no side scoring 9.27 is unusual given the fairly inaccurate scoring back in the earlier days.

 

[35Daicos]

Clinton Benjamin and Warren Benjamin are two brothers drafted to the AFL, both didn't play a game of AFL. Are they the only brothers to ever do this?

Peter Bennett and Shayne Bennett are brothers and should qualify:-

Peter Bennett (born 1965) - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Shayne Bennett (born 1972) - Draftguru

www.draftguru.com.au

Shayne played U19s and Reserves for Collingwood in 1991, but I don't think Peter would have joined either of the clubs that drafted him (not certain on that). Shayne played Major League Baseball in America.

 

[35Daicos]

 

[35Daicos]

On 123 occasions Carlton has scored 0 or 1 goal in the 2nd half, and they've won 17 of those games (2 draws).

Three of those wins have been in Grand Finals!:- 1908, 1914 and 1968.