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How about a place where we can ask for a various stat and hopefully one of us can come up with an answer? If you can answer a stat question, it would be helpful if you could indicate where or how you found the answer. If you can correct or elaborate on answer, please do so. Or you can do like me and answer your own question :p (although I didn't realise it would be so long)

One I was just wondering about was
- have two teams played each other 3 consecutive times?
- or put another way, has a team played another team 3 consecutive times?


I can think of three obvious places to check. The drawn grand finals ('48 and '77), the early years where the challenge system was in place, and the Final Four and Five where teams may have played in the 2nd semi final, the grand final, and Round 1 the following year.

1977: Collingwood and North Melbourne only played two consecutive games (the two grand finals). They did not meet in the 2nd semi final nor in Round 1, 1978. (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1977.html#fin)

1948: Essendon and Melbourne did not play each other in Round 1, 1949, but they did play each other in the 2nd Semi Final. Melbourne defeated Collingwood in the preliminary final before Essendon and Melbourne played two grand finals. So, it can be said that Essendon played Melbourne in 3 consecutive games in the 1948 finals. And just to be complete, Essendon did not play Melbourne in the last H+A game on 1948.

1948 2nd Semi Final - Essendon v Melbourne (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1948.html#fin)
1948 Preliminary Final - Melbourne v Collingwood
1948 Grand Final - Melbourne v Essendon
1948 Grand Final Replay - Melbourne v Essendon

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1987/1988:
1987 2nd Semi Final - Carlton v Hawthorn (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1987.html#fin)
1987 Preliminary Final - Hawthorn v Melbourne
1987 Grand Final - Carlton v Hawthorn
1988 Round 1 - Carlton v Hawthorn (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1988.html)

1986/1987:
1986 2nd Semi Final - Carlton v Hawthorn (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1986.html#fin)
1986 Preliminary Final - Hawthorn v Fitzroy
1986 Grand Final - Hawthorn v Carlton
1987 Round 1 - Carlton v Hawthorn (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1987.html)

1982/1983:
1982 2nd Semi Final - Richmond v Carlton (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1982.html#fin)
1982 Preliminary Final - Carlton v Hawthorn
1982 Grand Final - Carlton v Richmond
1983 Round 1 - Carlton v Richmond (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1983.html)

1972:
1972 2nd Semi Final - Richmond v Carlton (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1972.html#fin)
1972 2nd Semi Final Replay - Richmond v Carlton
1972 Preliminary Final - Carlton v St Kilda
1972 Grand Final - Carlton v Richmond

1963:
1963 Round 18 - Hawthorn v Geelong (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1963.html#18)
1963 2nd Semi Final - Geelong v Hawthorn
1963 Preliminary Final - Hawthorn v Melbourne
1963 Grand Final - Geelong v Hawthorn (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1963.html#fin)

1956:
1956 Round 18 - Collingwood v Melbourne (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1956.html#18)
1956 2nd Semi Final - Melbourne v Collingwood (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1956.html#fin)
1956 Preliminary Final - Collingwood v Footscray
1956 Grand Final - Melbourne v Collingwood
Melbourne played Collingwood in Round 2, 1957, so in the space of 5 games, Melbourne played Collingwood 4 times!

1931:
1931 Round 18 - Richmond v Geelong (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1931.html#fin)
1931 2nd Semi Final - Richmond v Geelong
1931 Preliminary Final - Geelong v Carlton
1931 Grand Final - Geelong v Richmond

1930/1931:
1930 Preliminary Final - Geelong v Collingwood (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1930.html#fin)
1930 Grand Final - Collingwood v Geelong
1931 Round 1 - Collingwood v Geelong (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1931.html)

1929/1930:
1929 Semi Final - Richmond v Collingwood (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1929.html#fin)
1929 Preliminary Final - Richmond v Carlton
1929 Grand Final - Collingwood v Richmond
1930 Round 1 - Richmond v Collingwood (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1930.html)

1916/1917:
1916 Preliminary Final - Fitzroy v Carlton (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1916.html#fin)
1916 Grand Final - Fitzroy v Carlton
1917 Round 1 - Fitzroy v Carlton (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1917.html)

1898/1899:
1898 Sectional Round 3 - Fitzroy v Essendon (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1898.html#fin)
1898 Semi Final - Fitzroy v Collingwood
1898 Grand Final - Fitzroy v Essendon
1899 Round 1 - Fitzroy v Essendon (http://stats.rleague.com/afl/seas/1899.html)

I may have missed some.
 

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emuboy

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I've got three questions - if anyone could help it would be much appreciated:

1. Which AFL/VFL player has played the most games without ever playing in a winning team? I know former Brisbane Bear David Ogg played 9 games for 9 losses back in 1991, and that some of the younger Fitzroy players in 1995 & 1996 didn't win a game when playing for the Lions, but maybe there are some players from other really poor teams (eg St Kilda in late 1890s/early 1900s, University in the 1910s, North in the 1930s, Hawthorn in the late 1940s/early 1950s, Fitzroy in the 1960s, St Kilda in the mid 1980s) who can beat this?

2. Has there ever been a case of the eventual Premier losing a game by more than 100 points during the season? If not, which Premiership team holds the record for the biggest loss during the season and when was this?

3. What is the biggest turnaround by a team in one week? Hawthorn had an amazing turnaround back in the early 1991; in Round 6 Hawthorn thrashed Fitzroy by 157 points but the next week had an 82 point loss to the West Coast Eagles - a turnaround of 239 points. I couldn't find any bigger turnarounds - does anyone know if this is the record?
 

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2. Has there ever been a case of the eventual Premier losing a game by more than 100 points during the season? If not, which Premiership team holds the record for the biggest loss during the season and when was this?
I recall this being discussed some time back. Fairly sure it's never happened. Hawthorn in 1991 lost to Adelaide in R1 by 86pts and to West Coast in R7 by 82pts. 86 might not be the record but my guess would be that Hawthorn is the only premier to lose by 80 pts twice in the same year.

An interesting follow-up question would be what is the highest score conceded by an eventual premier. I know Geelong scored 163 against Hawthorn in 1989.
 

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lol, found a better one already.

R18, 1986 - Essendon d Hawthorn by 87pts

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/games/1986/051019860802.html
Thanks Red & Black - after posting this thread I remembered another heavy defeat suffered by a Premier - Port Adelaide lost to North by 92 points in 2004.

Port's losses in their only Premiership year to date were all by substantial margins - in addition to the 92 point thrashing from the Roos, they lost to Melbourne by 53, Brisbane Lions by 37, Essendon by 40 & Adelaide by 32.
 

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Yep, that looks like the winner.

2004 R8 - North Melbourne d Port Adelaide by 92 pts

Another decent loss:

1990 R20 - Hawthorn d Collingwood by 83pts

And of course a big one at the time:

1929 "Grand Final" - Richmond d Collingwood by 62 pts

Of course, under the system at the time, Minor Premiers Collingwood were allowed to challenge and won the "replay" and thus the premiership.

And for a laugh, if West Coast or Brisbane can win the flag this year, they'll "better" Port's record!
 

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Yep, that looks like the winner.

2004 R8 - North Melbourne d Port Adelaide by 92 pts

Another decent loss:

1990 R20 - Hawthorn d Collingwood by 83pts
I remember that game - I was very relieved we didn't have to face Hawthorn in the finals.

Another obscure question I thought up - what is the longest number of years a side has gone without drawing a match? For example Fitzroy's last draw was in 1982, 14 years prior to their merger with the Brisbane Bears; Fremantle have never drawn in 14 years in the league; and the Adelaide Crows have drawn only once, against St Kilda way back in 1994. But are their any longer periods of time in which a team has not played a draw?
 

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1. Which AFL/VFL player has played the most games without ever playing in a winning team? I know former Brisbane Bear David Ogg played 9 games for 9 losses back in 1991, and that some of the younger Fitzroy players in 1995 & 1996 didn't win a game when playing for the Lions, but maybe there are some players from other really poor teams (eg St Kilda in late 1890s/early 1900s, University in the 1910s, North in the 1930s, Hawthorn in the late 1940s/early 1950s, Fitzroy in the 1960s, St Kilda in the mid 1980s) who can beat this?
I remember following Carlton's Paul Bower's early progress (he started with 15 losses):

http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/P/Paul_Bower.html

Carlton's Ryan Jackson (0/8): http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/R/Ryan_Jackson.html

Ralph Rogerson is lucky Fitzroy kept him on after starting (0/18): http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/R/Ralph_Rogerson.html
 

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lol, Ted Hall. 74 games and went 62L 1W 10L - http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/T/Ted_Hall.html

Found an early leader - George Stewart (0/29) - http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/G/George_Stewart2.html

Roy Park lost his first 44 - http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/R/Roy_Park.html

New leader - Lester Kelly (0/40) - http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/L/Lester_Kelly.html

Eric Woods (0/34) - http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/players/E/Eric_Woods.html
 

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Kelly's 40 is the most for no wins
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/stats/alltime/misc_players.html#12

Biggest turnarounds
http://stats.rleague.com/afl/teams/allteams/gamer.html#19

Melbourne drew in RD18, 1971 - next one was RD7, 1992.

1945 premier Carlton lost 50-150 in RD 7, biggest loss

1949 premier Essendon lost 72-167 in RD 11, highest score conc.
Thanks Paul - I had a feeling that it would be either a University or a St Kilda player from the very early years of the competition who would hold the dubious record of the most games without winning one.

Melbourne seem to be one of those clubs that don't draw games very often - their only draw since 1992 was in Round 21 2006 against Geelong. Other clubs that don't draw very often are Adelaide (once, in 1994) and Hawthorn, with just 9 draws in 84 years. And the Fremantle Dockers have yet to draw a game in their 15th season of play.
 

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1945 premier Carlton lost 50-150 in RD 7, biggest loss
Wow! Just looking at the 1945 season and Carlton's premiership win would have to be one of the most unexpected in history. Just look at their ladder position from week to week, as well as their percentage, and they were lucky to get anywhere near the finals let alone win the flag!
 

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Channel 10 showed the GPS stats after the Swans v Eagles game tonight, With Goodes running about 14.6k. So that made me wonder if anyone has run 20k.

So my question is: What are the top 5 distances covered in an AFL game (and by whom)?
 

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Today's crowds were 82,834 for Carlton v Collingwood and 45,594 for St Kilda v Essendon, for a total Sunday crowd in Melbourne of 128,428.

Two questions:
- for a Sunday in Melbourne, is that the highest total crowd attendance since 2000?
- for a Sunday in Melbourne, is that the highest total crowd attendance of all time?
 

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Mine is: the longest that a team has gone (say, post-WW2, because in 19th/early 20th C era games nobody kicked high scores by today's standards) without conceding 20 goals in a game.

The Swans under Paul Roos managed it (as far as I an tell) from round 12, 2004 to round 20, 2008.

I have no doubt that there is a side (possibly lots of sides) that has surpassed this record. But I'm interested partly because of the apparent difficulty in tracking down the killer stat, without manually searching through a whole heap of records.
 

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Today's crowds were 82,834 for Carlton v Collingwood and 45,594 for St Kilda v Essendon, for a total Sunday crowd in Melbourne of 128,428.

Two questions:
- for a Sunday in Melbourne, is that the highest total crowd attendance since 2000?
- for a Sunday in Melbourne, is that the highest total crowd attendance of all time?
Haven't come across a pair of Sunday games yet, but something probably more scarce

Round 12, 1998 there were two games on the Monday afternoon in Melbourne (08/06, Queens Birthday?)

St Kilda v Richmond @ Waverley - 71,448
North v Collingwood @ MCG - 58,369

Grand total of 129,817
 

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wow, that's a decent day's total. I was sure pre Docklands there would have been more than Sunday's total, although 128k would have to be a record since Docklands was built.
 

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Is Geelong's 8-0 in consecutive years the first time that feat has been achieved?
 

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121,202 attended the two Round 21 games in Melbourne on Sun 26-Aug-2007

Western Bulldogs v Hawthorn, Att:32,734, Venue: Docklands
Essendon v Richmond, Att:88,468, Venue: M.C.G.

Next best since 2000 was about 107,000.
 

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Fitzroy went 32 seasons before conceding 20 goals, 577 games. Post-war it's, Essendon, 399 games 1949-69, post "AFL", West Coast's 109 (1992-96) just pips Sydney's 105 as above.

Melbourne started 1955 10-0, and then in 1956 upped the ante to 13-0
 

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Channel 10 showed the GPS stats after the Swans v Eagles game tonight, With Goodes running about 14.6k. So that made me wonder if anyone has run 20k.

So my question is: What are the top 5 distances covered in an AFL game (and by whom)?
Although this doesn't answer your question.. I remember a few years back now, it was shown on screen the distances a few selected players had run as well as the umpires.. And I think from memory the top player had racked up around 15kms and a boundary umpire had amassed almost 2 or 3 kms on top of that.. Although as we'd all know, the umpires don't have the issue of getting tackled, bumped, dragged down etc.. Does anyone else remember this? I think it may have been around 2002-03?
 

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West Coast won six games in 2006 after trailing at 3/4 time.

Anyone know of any team that's done better?
 

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The Eagles actually won 7, which matched the feat of Melbourne in 1946. Collingwood leads the alltime tally with 185.
 
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