Stats questions

[The Passenger]

We were talking in one of these stats threads about the guy that had booted 70+ goals already and we were only in the middle of may.

he has now gone to ~115 goals for the season. on track for 200-250. and as an interesting sidenote anthony koutifidies played a game in the same competition on the weekend and kicked 14.

 

[*Paul*]

What is the largest percentage a team has held which was increased the following week? After round 6, 1991, West Coast had a percentage of 200.4. After an 82 point victory in their next game, this increased to 206.0. Can any team better this?
Conversely, what is the lowest percentage that decreased the following week?

There has been 23 instances where a team with 200% has bumped it up, the highest of which is 406.38 which Fitz. improved on in Rd3, 1904. The latest in the season is Essendon's 15th game in 1898. Coll. went from 304.76 to 564.29 in Rd2, 1901 for the biggest leap, and WC, Rd3 last year for the most recent.

There's been four instances of a sub 30 being worsened, all of them by St Kilda in 1899.

 

[Sellyme]

So after trawling through all 110 pages of this thread, I'm pretty sure my query hasn't been answered, so here goes:

For players who played a minimum of ten games each in two consecutive seasons, what are the highest discrepancies in the average disposals per game over the two seasons? Positive and negative changes would be appreciated.

i.e., if a player averaged 25 disposals per game in 2012, and then 15 in 2011, that'd be a change of -10.

I'm assuming that the lists will primarily be full of retiring players for negative changes and new players for positive changes, but I'm curious as to who the largest changes will be and if they'll be some of the more noteworthy "should've retired last year" names.

 

[UpForGrabs]

On the Mondayitis podcast, Paul Gough has continually stated that "the only player who has kicked more goals to the stage of his career than Jeremy Cameron is Tony Lockett".

Now - in term of games played that statement is an out-and-out lie.

But what about age?

Is Goughy correct in that regard?

 

[Sellyme]

On the Mondayitis podcast, Paul Gough has continually stated that "the only player who has kicked more goals to the stage of his career than Jeremy Cameron is Tony Lockett".

Now - in term of games played that statement is an out-and-out lie.

But what about age?

Is Goughy correct in that regard?

No.

Jeremy Cameron currently has 60 goals. He kicked his 60th on June 8, 2013 against Geelong, at 20 years and 69 days of age.

Simon Madden, born 30 December 1957, kicked his 60th goal on in Round 2, 1976 against Carlton, on the 10th of April, at the age of 18 years and 102 days, nearly two full years younger than Cameron.

There are surely others who have beaten Cameron to 60 as well, but I'll leave that to the database gurus.

EDIT: Des Fothergill kicked his 60th in Round 11, 1938 against South Melbourne, at the age of 17 years and 352 days, which I think is the youngest.

 

[UpForGrabs]

No.

Jeremy Cameron currently has 60 goals. He kicked his 60th on June 8, 2013 against Geelong, at 20 years and 69 days of age.

Simon Madden, born 30 December 1957, kicked his 60th goal on in Round 2, 1976 against Carlton, on the 10th of April, at the age of 18 years and 102 days, nearly two full years younger than Cameron.

There are surely others who have beaten Cameron to 60 as well, but I'll leave that to the database gurus.

EDIT: Des Fothergill kicked his 60th in Round 11, 1938 against South Melbourne, at the age of 17 years and 352 days, which I think is the youngest.

Awesome. Didn't think he was.

Cheers for your help.

 

[the croucher]

No.

Jeremy Cameron currently has 60 goals. He kicked his 60th on June 8, 2013 against Geelong, at 20 years and 69 days of age.

Simon Madden, born 30 December 1957, kicked his 60th goal on in Round 2, 1976 against Carlton, on the 10th of April, at the age of 18 years and 102 days, nearly two full years younger than Cameron.

There are surely others who have beaten Cameron to 60 as well, but I'll leave that to the database gurus.

EDIT: Des Fothergill kicked his 60th in Round 11, 1938 against South Melbourne, at the age of 17 years and 352 days, which I think is the youngest.

Oh, come on, get with the programme. This is the 21st C. and present-day players are setting "world records" every week ! (according to AFL spin doctors anyway).

Dare we here at this board suggest that this story carries within it a certain selectivity:
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-05-10/cameron-up-with-best

Heavens, if club media depts. bothered to checked details for a story such as this, they might find names like John Coleman, Peter Hudson, Doug Wade, and even Adrian McAdam, all kicked more goals than young Cameron in their first 22 games.

 

[Sellyme]

Oh, come on, get with the programme. This is the 21st C. and present-day players are setting "world records" every week ! (according to AFL spin doctors anyway).

Dare we here at this board suggest that this story carries within it a certain selectivity:
http://www.gwsgiants.com.au/news/2013-05-10/cameron-up-with-best

Heavens, if club media depts. bothered to checked details for a story such as this, they might find names like John Coleman, Peter Hudson, Doug Wade, and even Adrian McAdam, all kicked more goals than young Cameron in their first 22 games.

That article is actually fairly objectively true, depending on your definition of "modern day". It is cherry picking, but on the club's website, they shouldn't be expected to be as unbiased as normal journalists. Also note that they never claim that it's a definitive list of all players, it's just a list of notable players that people would recognise as power forwards. Perhaps misleading, but at least that article isn't outright statistically false, like Gough's claims.

 

[*Paul*]

For players who played a minimum of ten games each in two consecutive seasons, what are the highest discrepancies in the average disposals per game over the two seasons? Positive and negative changes would be appreciated.

Positives
13.47 Mark Merenda 1995 1996
12.31 Daniel Cross 2004 2005
12.10 Neville Fields 1978 1979
12.09 Merv Neagle 1979 1980
12.08 Glenn Kilpatrick 1996 1997
12.00 Luke Hodge 2004 2005
11.41 Mathew Stokes 2012 2013
11.21 Tim Pekin 1989 1990
10.50 Paul Kelly 1990 1991
10.46 John Worsfold 1987 1988
10.41 Brent Guerra 2005 2006
10.21 Matthew Young 1995 1996
10.21 Chris Knights 2006 2007
10.16 Tony Shaw 1980 1981
10.05 Shane OBree 1999 2000

Negs
-14.10 Barry Mitchell 1992 1993
-11.23 Jason Baldwin 1995 1996
-11.05 Paul Morwood 1985 1986
-10.97 Craig Holden 1985 1986
-10.65 Dale Weightman 1991 1992
-10.59 Bill Nettlefold 1980 1981
-10.48 Nicky Winmar 1998 1999

 

[Ron The Bear]

That article is actually fairly objectively true, depending on your definition of "modern day". It is cherry picking, but on the club's website, they shouldn't be expected to be as unbiased as normal journalists. Also note that they never claim that it's a definitive list of all players, it's just a list of notable players that people would recognise as power forwards. Perhaps misleading, but at least that article isn't outright statistically false, like Gough's claims.

Where's Jack Anthony?! (And Richo.)

 

[UpForGrabs]

Perhaps misleading, but at least that article isn't outright statistically false, like Gough's claims.

Oh, come on, get with the programme. This is the 21st C. and present-day players are setting "world records" every week ! (according to AFL spin doctors anyway).

There are surely others who have beaten Cameron to 60 as well, but I'll leave that to the database gurus.

Well, I did the stats geek thing and sent an email into the boys and got it on the podcast.

Gave them a list of players who'd kicked more goals to this stage of their career (games-wise) and a list of players who reached 60 goals quicker (age-wise).

Goughy claimed it was was the games-wise one, so they read out a list of older players (to which Goughy said they weren't going that far back), but a few of the newer players (ala Adrian McAdam) put him back in his box.

Some things are just fun to do

 

[SJ]

Which podcast is that?

 

[UpForGrabs]

Which podcast is that?

Mondayitis

 

[Ron The Bear]

No.

Jeremy Cameron currently has 60 goals. He kicked his 60th on June 8, 2013 against Geelong, at 20 years and 69 days of age.

Simon Madden, born 30 December 1957, kicked his 60th goal on in Round 2, 1976 against Carlton, on the 10th of April, at the age of 18 years and 102 days, nearly two full years younger than Cameron.

There are surely others who have beaten Cameron to 60 as well, but I'll leave that to the database gurus.

EDIT: Des Fothergill kicked his 60th in Round 11, 1938 against South Melbourne, at the age of 17 years and 352 days, which I think is the youngest.

Equal with Wayne Carey.

Rank|Age|Player|Club|Year|Rd|Gm #
\1|17y352d|Fothergill, Des|Co|1938|11|26
\2|17y361d|Maguire, Mick|Ri|1912|6|37
\3|18y 29d|Watson, Tim|Es|1979|19|54
\4|18y 85d|Lockett, Tony|St|1984|10|21
\5|18y102d|Madden, Simon|Es|1976|2|27
\6|18y123d|Lee, Dick|Co|1907|12|23
\7|18y205d|Grant, Chris|WB|1991|16|29
\8|18y249d|Payne, Charlie|Es|1963|11|30
\9|18y260d|Foschini, Silvio|Sy|1982|11|27
\10|18y279d|Wooller, Fred|Ge|1957|14|23
\11|18y358d|Whitnall, Lance|Ca|1998|20|38
\12|18y363d|Pratt, Bob|Sy|1931|16|31
\13|19y 4d|Peck, John|Ha|1956|17|42
\14|19y 7d|Newland, Ken|Ge|1968|5|49
\15|19y 55d|Strang, Doug|Ri|1931|17|16
\16|19y 79d|Morwood, Tony|Sy|1979|18|33
\17|19y 81d|Lloyd, Matthew|Es|1997|14|28
\18|19y106d|Richardson, Matthew|Ri|1994|15|24
\19|19y127d|Salmon, Paul|Es|1984|9|18
\20|19y131d|Matthews, Leigh|Ha|1971|15|36
\21|19y132d|Longmire, John|NM|1990|7|34
\22|19y146d|Sheldon, Ken|Ca|1979|8|32
\23|19y158d|Kekovich, Sam|NM|1969|18|27
\24|19y193d|Templeton, Kelvin|WB|1976|2|28
\25|19y197d|Clarke, David E.|Ge|1972|15|33
\26|19y212d|Rocca, Saverio|Co|1993|12|21
\27|19y222d|Lazarus, Gary|Fi|1965|3|30
\28|19y230d|White, Lindsay|Ge|1941|17|16
\29|19y239d|Edwards, Allan|Ri|1977|15|47
\30|19y244d|Mueller, Jack|Me|1935|3|17
\31|19y252d|Daicos, Peter|Co|1981|10|36
\32|19y260d|Skilton, Bob|Sy|1958|14|44
\33|19y270d|Olliver, Arthur|WB|1936|18|28
\34|19y278d|Wilson, Garry|Fi|1973|3|33
\35|19y283d|Don, Donald|Ri|1920|5|40
\36|19y286d|Close, Robin|Es|1969|18|30
\37|19y292d|Cousins, Ben|WC|1998|4|42
\38|19y295d|Hands, Ken|Ca|1946|17|35
\39|19y313d|Hoffmann, Steven|Sy|1971|18|33
\40|19y316d|Brereton, Dermott|Ha|1984|14|33
\41|19y324d|Romero, Jose|NM|1991|14|42
\42|19y330d|Collier, Harry|Co|1927|16|34
\43|19y347d|Quinlan, Bernie|WB|1971|14|43
\|19y347d|Briedis, Arnold|NM|1975|18|47
\45|19y359d|Shea, Keith|Ca|1934|13|39
\46|19y362d|Evans, Ron B.|Es|1959|10|20
\47|19y363d|Dowdle, Mick|NM|1967|11|44
\48|20y 7d|Crosswell, Brent|Ca|1970|20|52
\49|20y 25d|Harvey, Mark|Es|1985|15|31
\50|20y 30d|Schultz, Graeme|Es|1973|11|35
\|20y 30d|Johnson, Chris L.|Fi|1996|13|50
\52|20y 43d|Hyde, Bert|Ha|1927|12|24
\|20y 43d|Young, Garry|Ha|1959|17|26
\54|20y 46d|Farmer, Jeff|Me|1997|19|40
\|20y 46d|Darling, Jack|WC|2012|18|40
\56|20y 54d|Crimmins, Peter|Ha|1968|20|50
\57|20y 56d|Allen, Les|Ca|1931|1|17
\58|20y 62d|Bright, Terry|Ge|1978|3|40
\59|20y 68d|Carey, Wayne|NM|1991|20|35
\|20y 68d|Cameron, Jeremy|WS|2013|11|27

 

[Ron The Bear]

What is the largest percentage a team has held which was increased the following week? After round 6, 1991, West Coast had a percentage of 200.4. After an 82 point victory in their next game, this increased to 206.0. Can any team better this?
Conversely, what is the lowest percentage that decreased the following week?

Club|Year|Rounds|% 1|% 2|Diff
\Fi|1904|2-3|406.38|414.29|+7.90
\Co|1901|1-2|304.76|564.29|+259.52
\Fi|1903|4-5|231.62|252.41|+20.79
\Fi|1900|8-9|231.43|241.05|+9.62
\Es|1898|11-12|230.27|240.57|+10.30
\Es|1898|3-4|226.67|255.67|+29.00
\Fi|1903|2-3|240.00|290.28|+50.28
\Sy|1987|1-2|222.97|230.07|+7.09
\Ri|1949|1-2|218.97|256.44|+37.47
\Es|1898|10-11|215.45|230.27|+14.82
\Ca|1967|3-4|212.41|217.03|+4.62
\Es|1911|7-8|211.07|215.91|+4.84
\St|1970|1-2|208.33|263.64|+55.30
\WC|2012|2-3|208.28|211.22|+2.94
\Es|1965|2-3|205.56|223.08|+17.52
\Es|1911|6-7|205.00|211.07|+6.07
\Es|1911|3-4|202.41|225.00|+22.59
\Es*|1898|14-S1|202.14|217.54|+15.40
\Ca|1906|2-3|201.10|215.67|+14.57
\St|2009|4-5|200.44|211.83|+11.39
\WC|1991|6-7|200.35|206.02|+5.67

Club|Year|Rounds|% 1|% 2|Diff
\St|1899|2-3|23.63|22.68|-0.95
\St*|1899|S2-S3|26.20|23.22|-2.98
\St*|1899|S1-S2|27.03|26.20|-0.83
\St*|1899|14-S1|28.04|27.03|-1.02
\St|1897|13-14|30.11|28.99|-1.13
\St|1903|4-5|30.69|30.40|-0.29
\Ca|1901|1-2|31.15|16.77|-14.37
\Ca|1899|3-4|31.17|28.22|-2.95
\St|1899|13-14|31.50|28.04|-3.46
\St|1898|12-13|31.66|30.12|-1.55
\St|1898|11-12|32.11|31.66|-0.45
\St|1899|12-13|32.29|31.50|-0.79
\St|1897|11-12|32.64|29.22|-3.41
\Ha|1950|1-2|32.77|28.14|-4.64
\St|1901|8-9|32.87|30.43|-2.44
\St|1898|10-11|33.19|32.11|-1.08
\St*|1898|S2-S3|33.22|32.67|-0.55
\St*|1898|14-S1|33.50|32.83|-0.67
\St|1898|9-10|33.69|33.19|-0.50
\St|1899|9-10|34.03|31.11|-2.91

* Not an official percentage; sectional rounds had a separate ladder.

 

[*Paul*]

I have also Fitzroy 240.00 to 290.28, rds 2-3, 1903.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Wondering if any other guys who got brownlow votes on debut went a such a run of "no success" as heath did in the award. Only received 2 votes since. for a total of 3 from ~124 games.

so i guess the criteria would be, polled votes in first game, and had less than 5 career votes, or less than 0.05 votes per game over 100+ games?

EDIT: in hindsight, the list of players who recieved brownlow votes on debut is so short, you could just list them alongside their career games and career brownlow votes and i can look at them all. save you guys having to set any additional criteria... cheers lads.

El Gms = 'eligible games', i.e. in the modern era, total games - finals

Player|Club|V 1st|Year|Rd|V Career|Gms|El Gms|Clubs|Career
\Shephard, Heath|Co|1|1989|3|1|15|15|Co,Br|1989-1992
\Tutt, Jason|WB|1|2011|22|1|12|12|WB|2011-2013
\James, Michael|Ca|1|1991|9|1|12|12|Ca|1991
\Tongerie, Shane|Ad|1|1994|6|1|4|4|Ad|1994
\Bardsley, Kristian|NM|2|1992|2|2|58|58|NM,St|1992-1998
\Nugent, Glenn|Ha|2|1990|16|2|35|34|Ha,St|1990-1995
\Dickson, Russell K.|Co|2|1985|1|2|20|20|Co|1985-1987
\Magner, James|Me|2|2012|1|2|19|19|Me|2012-2013
\Ralph, Warren|Ca|2|1984|1|2|21|18|Ca|1984-1986
\Johnston, Michael Anton|Ha|2|1991|13|2|10|10|Ha,WB|1991-1995
\Atkinson, Brodie|St|2|1993|11|2|7|7|St,Ad|1993-1999
\Willison, Leigh|Ge|2|1993|1|2|3|3|Ge|1993
\Malakellis, Tony|Ge|1|1990|13|2|19|19|Ge,Sy|1990-1993
\Brennan, Michael|WC|2|1987|1|3|179|162|WC|1987-1995
\Grundy, Heath|Sy|1|2006|16|3|125|121|Sy|2006-2013
\McAsey, Darren|Sy|1|1985|1|3|34|33|Sy|1985-1991
\Greig, Dean|St|2|1991|21|4|33|31|St|1991-1994
\Polo, Dean|Ri|3|2006|6|5|77|76|Ri,St|2006-2012
\Georgiades, John|WB|3|1989|1|6|15|15|WB|1989-1991
\Rohde, Peter|Ca|2|1985|4|6|163|155|Ca,Me|1985-1995
\Rowe, Brad|Br|1|1990|1|7|73|72|Br,Co,Fr|1990-1996
\Marshall, David|Ad|2|1991|1|8|26|26|Ad|1991-1992
\Phillips, Brenton|Es|3|1986|2|11|71|71|Es,Br|1986-1991
\Schneider, Adam|Sy|1|2003|1|10|196|173|Sy,St|2003-2013
\Dwyer, Mark|Fi|1|1986|15|10|14|11|Fi,St|1986-1988
\McGough, Mark|Co|2|2002|4|12|49|49|Co,St|2002-2006
\Walker, Andrew|Ca|1|2004|5|12|154|150|Ca|2004-2013
\Wight, Sean|Me|2|1985|8|13|150|137|Me|1985-1995
\White, Darryl|Br|3|1992|1|20|268|247|Br|1992-2005
\Mickan, Mark|Br|2|1987|1|20|85|85|Br,Ad|1987-1993
\Somerville, Peter|Es|3|1988|15|24|160|147|Es|1988-1999
\Cummings, Scott|Es|3|1994|14|25|128|126|Es,PA,WC,Co|1994-2002
\Dear, Greg|Ha|1|1985|7|29|190|173|Ha,Ri|1985-1996
\Ironmonger, John|Sy|2|1985|1|35|88|85|Sy,Fi|1985-1991
\Barnes, John|Es|2|1987|6|38|202|181|Es,Ge,Es|1987-2001
\Wright, Graham|Co|3|1988|1|44|201|193|Co|1988-1998
\Hardie, Brad|WB|3|1985|1|44|150|147|WB,Br,Co|1985-1992
\Jarman, Andrew|Ad|3|1991|1|47|110|107|Ad|1991-1996
\Smart, Nigel|Ad|1|1991|1|48|278|261|Ad|1991-2004
\Platten, John|Ha|2|1986|1|143|258|239|Ha|1986-1997
\Williams, Greg|Ge|3|1984|1|154|250|239|Ge,Sy,Ca|1984-1997

 

[Ron The Bear]

Topical question with the amazing longevity of Dustin Fletcher, but would there be many other players who will play a match with the son of a team-mate (Anthony>Joe Daniher) who was not born when that player played with the father? That cartoon in today's Hun was quite telling, Dustin's ability to be playing his 21st season of footy at this level is astounding....as perhaps is the fact that only five of Dustin's seasons have seen him play 20 or more games!

Haven't forgotten about this. Requires a lot more work on my part which will take some time.

 

[Ron The Bear]

I have also Fitzroy 240.00 to 290.28, rds 2-3, 1903.

You're right of course. I didn't have pick it up because I only compared the ladder after "completed rounds" so as to avoid duplicate records, and one of the Round 2 matches was postponed until August.

 

[The Passenger]

Cheers RTB.

There's a few blokes on there who i would've though got a much better ran out the brownlow. The most suprising Darryl White with only 20 votes over a 250 games career.

Michael Brennan probably takes out the "award" I was looking for - 1 vote in 161 eligible games after getting 2 on debut.

For all his inconsistency I would'ev thought Andrew Walker would've polled more than 12 career votes.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Michael Brennan probably takes out the "award" I was looking for - 1 vote in 161 eligible games after getting 2 on debut.

For all his inconsistency I would'ev thought Andrew Walker would've polled more than 12 career votes.

They were eye-openers for me. Better players than the umpires think/thought.

 

[Ron The Bear]

Furthering on from that, what's the record for the biggest age gap between the oldest player's year of debut and the youngest player in the league?

E.g. Robert Harvey (born, 1971) made his debut in 1988, 2 years before then 18 year old Trent Cotchin was born.

Also, with the amount of players born in 1993 and 1994 on current lists, the majority of them born after Dustin Fletcher's debut game, what's the record for most players on a VFL/AFL list born after an older player's date of debut?

Days|Year|Player 1|Debut|Player 2|DOB
\1622|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Stevens, Steve|5/02/1903
\1505||||Sharland, Wallace|11/10/1902
\1436||||Shelton, Bill H.|3/08/1902
\1124||||Coventry, Gordon|25/09/1901
\1030||||Murrell, Jack|23/06/1901
\968|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Madden, Simon|30/12/1957
\936|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Chapman, Fred|21/03/1901
\922||||Henderson, Norm|7/03/1901
\906||||Outram, Roy|19/02/1901
\890||||Wittmann, Dick|3/02/1901
\877||||Baker, Ted|21/01/1901
\831||||Paterson, Jack|6/12/1900
\821|1927|Barker senior, Syd|13/06/1908|Bray, Ed|12/09/1910
\779|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Wilson, Ernie|15/10/1900
\776||||Watson, Colin|12/10/1900
\768|1991|Tuck, Michael|20/05/1972|Ahmat, Matthew|27/06/1974
\767|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Dussell, Harry|3/10/1900
\754|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Greene, Russell|30/05/1957
\720|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Don, Donald|17/08/1900
\705|1970|Whitten senior, Ted|21/04/1951|Davis, Bruce|26/03/1953
\701|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Stephenson, Jack S.|29/07/1900
\698||||Harper, Ray|26/07/1900
\691||||Donnelly, Andy F.|19/07/1900
\681||||Taylor, Bert R.|9/07/1900
\678|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Whitten junior, Ted|15/03/1957
\664|1969|Whitten senior, Ted|21/04/1951|Skreja, Harry|13/02/1953
\|1970|||Skreja, Harry|13/02/1953
\663|1991|Tuck, Michael|20/05/1972|McCartney, Jason|14/03/1974
\660|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Robins, Stephen|25/02/1957
\653|1970|Whitten senior, Ted|21/04/1951|Pokrovsky, Mike|2/02/1953
\646|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Faulkner, George|4/06/1900
\644||||Wright, Vern|2/06/1900
\640|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Clayton, Cameron|5/02/1957
\|1983|Bartlett, Kevin|1/05/1965|Owen, Rod|31/01/1967
\626|2013|Fletcher, Dustin|3/04/1993|Colquhoun, Sam|20/12/1994
\621|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|James, Billy R.|10/05/1900
\620|2008|Harvey, Robert|6/08/1988|Maric, Addam|18/04/1990
\619||||Motlop, Marlon|17/04/1990
\617||||Notte, Tony|15/04/1990
\615|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Moore, Peter|11/01/1957
\612|2008|Harvey, Robert|6/08/1988|Ward, Callan|10/04/1990
\609||||Cotchin, Trent|7/04/1990
\607||||Dangerfield, Patrick|5/04/1990
\604||||Ebert, Brad|2/04/1990

Bearing in mind there wasn't always the same concept of a 'list' as there is today, and including rookie-listed players:

Players|Season|Club|Player
\12|1920|St|Cumberland, Vic
\11|1991|Ha|Tuck, Michael
\10|1970|WB|Whitten senior, Ted
\9|2013|Es|Fletcher, Dustin
\7|1983|Ri|Bartlett, Kevin
\6|1969|WB|Whitten senior, Ted
\5|1991|Ri|Cloke, David
\4|1927|NM|Barker senior, Syd
\|1974|Fi|Murray, Kevin
\|2012|Es|Fletcher, Dustin
\3|1991|Es|Madden, Simon
\|2002|Sy|Lockett, Tony
\2|1983|Es|Schultz, Graeme
\|1983|Es|Wood, Bryan
\|1984|NM|Dempsey, Gary
\|1984|Es|Wood, Bryan
\|1985|Ha|Knights, Peter
\|1985|Ha|Matthews, Leigh
\|1985|Es|Wood, Bryan
\|1986|Ha|Tuck, Michael
\|1987|Ri|Jess, Jim
\|1990|Ri|Cloke, David
\|1990|Es|Madden, Simon
\|1991|Ha|DiPierdomenico, Robert
\|1996|Br|Merrett, Roger
\|2002|Es|Salmon, Paul
\|2008|St|Harvey, Robert

 

[RedmanWasHere]

Days|Year|Player 1|Debut|Player 2|DOB
\1622|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Stevens, Steve|5/02/1903
\1505||||Sharland, Wallace|11/10/1902
\1436||||Shelton, Bill H.|3/08/1902
\1124||||Coventry, Gordon|25/09/1901
\1030||||Murrell, Jack|23/06/1901
\968|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Madden, Simon|30/12/1957
\936|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Chapman, Fred|21/03/1901
\922||||Henderson, Norm|7/03/1901
\906||||Outram, Roy|19/02/1901
\890||||Wittmann, Dick|3/02/1901
\877||||Baker, Ted|21/01/1901
\831||||Paterson, Jack|6/12/1900
\821|1927|Barker senior, Syd|13/06/1908|Bray, Ed|12/09/1910
\779|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Wilson, Ernie|15/10/1900
\776||||Watson, Colin|12/10/1900
\768|1991|Tuck, Michael|20/05/1972|Ahmat, Matthew|27/06/1974
\767|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Dussell, Harry|3/10/1900
\754|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Greene, Russell|30/05/1957
\720|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Don, Donald|17/08/1900
\705|1970|Whitten senior, Ted|21/04/1951|Davis, Bruce|26/03/1953
\701|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Stephenson, Jack S.|29/07/1900
\698||||Harper, Ray|26/07/1900
\691||||Donnelly, Andy F.|19/07/1900
\681||||Taylor, Bert R.|9/07/1900
\678|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Whitten junior, Ted|15/03/1957
\664|1969|Whitten senior, Ted|21/04/1951|Skreja, Harry|13/02/1953
\|1970|||Skreja, Harry|13/02/1953
\663|1991|Tuck, Michael|20/05/1972|McCartney, Jason|14/03/1974
\660|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Robins, Stephen|25/02/1957
\653|1970|Whitten senior, Ted|21/04/1951|Pokrovsky, Mike|2/02/1953
\646|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|Faulkner, George|4/06/1900
\644||||Wright, Vern|2/06/1900
\640|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Clayton, Cameron|5/02/1957
\|1983|Bartlett, Kevin|1/05/1965|Owen, Rod|31/01/1967
\626|2013|Fletcher, Dustin|3/04/1993|Colquhoun, Sam|20/12/1994
\621|1920|Cumberland, Vic|27/08/1898|James, Billy R.|10/05/1900
\620|2008|Harvey, Robert|6/08/1988|Maric, Addam|18/04/1990
\619||||Motlop, Marlon|17/04/1990
\617||||Notte, Tony|15/04/1990
\615|1974|Murray, Kevin|7/05/1955|Moore, Peter|11/01/1957
\612|2008|Harvey, Robert|6/08/1988|Ward, Callan|10/04/1990
\609||||Cotchin, Trent|7/04/1990
\607||||Dangerfield, Patrick|5/04/1990
\604||||Ebert, Brad|2/04/1990

Bearing in mind there wasn't always the same concept of a 'list' as there is today, and including rookie-listed players:

Players|Season|Club|Player
\12|1920|St|Cumberland, Vic
\11|1991|Ha|Tuck, Michael
\10|1970|WB|Whitten senior, Ted
\9|2013|Es|Fletcher, Dustin
\7|1983|Ri|Bartlett, Kevin
\6|1969|WB|Whitten senior, Ted
\5|1991|Ri|Cloke, David
\4|1927|NM|Barker senior, Syd
\|1974|Fi|Murray, Kevin
\|2012|Es|Fletcher, Dustin
\3|1991|Es|Madden, Simon
\|2002|Sy|Lockett, Tony
\2|1983|Es|Schultz, Graeme
\|1983|Es|Wood, Bryan
\|1984|NM|Dempsey, Gary
\|1984|Es|Wood, Bryan
\|1985|Ha|Knights, Peter
\|1985|Ha|Matthews, Leigh
\|1985|Es|Wood, Bryan
\|1986|Ha|Tuck, Michael
\|1987|Ri|Jess, Jim
\|1990|Ri|Cloke, David
\|1990|Es|Madden, Simon
\|1991|Ha|DiPierdomenico, Robert
\|1996|Br|Merrett, Roger
\|2002|Es|Salmon, Paul
\|2008|St|Harvey, Robert

You are just ridiculously good.

I am in awe of your brilliance Ron.

Cheers ledge.

 

[Soul_Pie]

Does any site have a breakdown of how each team/player has scored their goals ie from a mark, in play, free kick or 50m penalty?

 

[emuboy]

I was wondering if any of the experts on this board has the statistics on teams that have exactly doubled or tripled their opponents' scores (e.g. 22.14-146 to 11.7-73 & 19.16-130 to 9.11-65; or 18.18-126 to 6.6-42)?

I would imagine that tripling scores would be rarer than doubling, but would be interested to see how often both come up.

Also, are there any cases of teams finishing with scores 4, 5, 6 or even more times higher than their opponents? I couldn't imagine it being common, but might have happened in the early years of the VFL when scoring was lower, and the league contained poorly performed teams such as St Kilda and University.

Any stats on this would be much appreciated.